smithing???

[Drilixer]

the reason it is called the game that shall not made is because alot of players used to play it... and then after some minor problems came here and were still flamingly furious over it... the word is now a curse word on this forum... try to post it as Rune_Scape (minus the space between the two words and see what happens)

[Kiva]

A simple question then... HOW would you want a diamond tipped pick axe to be able to strike more accurately or wield more ore? I mean, you can only get an amount of ore, depending on how hard you hit the rock, not because your pickaxe has diamonds on it. Please.. Unless, of course, your pickaxe uses a diamond-based hitting machine add-on. Then I suppose it\'d be more accurate.

[Drilixer]

actually the material is very important to how much ore you wield since (for example) diamond is so much stronger than other materials.  I never mentioned going into how much force you are putting into the blow - but obviously tha would be a measure of the character\'s strength and have nothing to do with the pick.

[theonlyjimbob]

I don\'t get the point of all this speculating. Your ability to mine a certain amount of minerals should be based on your abilities and stats. I mean a miner with amazing strength is bound to wield more minerals than a teachers with amazing intelligence.
Yours truly,
  Thomas

[Drilixer]

yeap, we are just discussing how the picks could be dealt with - gronomists last post touched on the strength attribute of mining though

[Osgroth]

Well, if the point is: Why would I need a better pickaxe?

a) A better pickaxe lets me mine more effectively, without any doubt, think of making a tunnel with a coffespoon or with  a pickaxe, or with some dwarf-made-tools to make tunnels. So, the tool always affect your effectivity.

b) Maybe you need some quality on your tools to make some action, I say, I wouldn\'t cross the Cloudy Ocean on a canoa, neither do I try to mine Black Iron with a pickaxe made of something that cannot break that kind of rock.

c) Maybe the only purpose of getting a dwarf hammer to go mining some special ore and go towards the goal of making himself his own great sword could be part of a player-driven quest


Osgroth

[Drilixer]

good idea - only certain picks work against certain ores - and possibly there could be a master pick axes (that can mine anything) which only master smiths can make

[theonlyjimbob]

Hey pretty interesting idea there Drilixer. But then you have to take this into account how do you become master smith? Experience? Skills? A mix of both?

   Thomas

[Drilixer]

that would come with experience of course, and through experience you can place more \'points\' into your mining skill.  From what I habe heard I believe that is how Planeshift is going to work in that department.

[Deadfish]

yep the runescape mining/smithing system was very tidious and boring. People started to use hacks because of the long hours of bordem just smithing/mining.

[Drilixer]

I\'m still worried about hacks and cheating for this system... but I\'m just pessimistic sometimes... I have faith in our devs though

[Sinflare]

i like the eve/swg way of mining/making things (with still keeping it unique of corse)

1: I servey the land for ore, find a nice spot in a cave or sumtin

2:grab ur tool, whether that be a pick axe, or a shovel or w/e (the better the tool the faster you mine per sec.)

3:once u gather ur ore (different ore will have different wieght) carry it back to ur little set up (it must have a anvil and a u must equip a hammer and tongs)a good idea would be to use a donkey or a pack animal of somekind, for realy big jobs u might have to hire some ppl (wich i think a caravan full of ore would be nice for a bandit raid or sumtin ~ )

4:select wich thing to make(based on wut u stuff u know how to make, u can learn it by watching other ppl make it or by reading books \\ the laerning will be on a percentage kinda value, like u watch a guy make something u get 30% learned, the next time u watch him make the same thing u might have 60% learned, books will be 1 shot kindaa stuff but would be more rare, for harder items it will take longer to learn)

5:once u make it u can tinker with it, adding more points to stuff like, magic resistance, ect. (u have more points to spend on tinkering based on ur smithing lvl) but there is a chance that \'tinkering\' can fail, of corse, depending on ur skills
(this will make for some diversed items, u can sell it like\"steel armor, all magic resistant, non fighter spec\" i think this would be quite interesting)

[Xalthar]

if only mining was that simple IRL

[Fish]

Blacksmithing is something that have always been very interested in.  Not from the perspective of doing it in a game but actual blacksmithing.  I been fascinated by blacksmithing through time in respect to what time period did what kind of blacksmithing.

What kind of ore that is used has a lot to do with what time period you are talking about.  What was used was magnetite.  It wasn?t until later that people got the idea that really red earth meant iron. Another form of steel was from meteorites however that?s extremely rare and probably not available underground.  Most ore refinement done today is in a crucible. A crucible is a large bucket made of ceramic heated until the steal is in a liquid state.  This makes it easy to make steel in large quantities.  Crucible steel was invented in the Renaissance period In Europe.  Timewise that would be after plane shift.  

Before that time the iron was placed in a hot furnace, melted down, and then the furnace cooled.  What came out of the furnace kind of looked like a tangled mess of iron with a myriad of other things in it.  In order to turn it into steel it had to be folded and a pounded repeatedly.  They were trying to remove or excess silicon and other impurities.  This process took some time.  The second problem was then to add carbon.  Because once the steel was pounded out the right amount had to be added back to make proper steel.  This is one of the reasons why steel was so expensive back then.

One of the ways they combated the high cost of steel was to use very little of it.  For instance, in a steel ax actually only the edge was steel.  The rest of it was mild steel or normal iron.  A wood chisel built would have only the edge and a strip going back that would be tool steel the rest of it would be mild steel once again.

An interesting fact is that smelting, or getting the steel from ore, is a different occupation than blacksmithing.  Different enough to be split up early on in history.  Making an anvil, which is the most important blacksmith tool, is never made by a blacksmith.  It?s made by somebody who specializes in making anvils.  Making arms and armor isn?t done by blacksmith at all.  It?s done by an armorer.  Shoeing horses is done by a farrier.  Farriers also doubled as veterinarians.  This isn?t to say that there are not some crossovers were one would do the job of two however they were split up.  Each occupation required different tool sets and different skill sets.

So what does a blacksmith do?  His primary job is making tools.  They generally know how to shoe a horse.  They?re great at making decorative ironwork and house fixtures and generally repairing broken things.  In the old days they were kind of the ultimate handyman.  Surprisingly sharpening things is called white smithing, which is something blacksmiths probably know quite well.  However to make a Japanese sword the person who made the sword and the person who sharpens the sword are two entirely different people.  They don?t even work in the same shop.

It isn?t surprising that metalworking split up into many facets early on.  As I look into it old ironworking is actually quite complicated.

I always get a kick out of some of the threads that I?ve seen.  For instance gold armor or silver armor is better than steel armor.  Even though they?re considered precious metals compared to steel they cut like butter and are seriously heavy.  I also get a kick out of Platinum being used.  How an iron age culture gets their hands on a modern metal I will never know.  Next thing you know somebody will say titanium armor is what?s really great.  However I digress.

I hope this post frames the thoughts for discussion.  One thing I highly recommend is to actually go find a blacksmith.  Yes, they still exist.  In this day and age many of them are artists that used iron as their medium.  They?re usually very happy when somebody shows an interest in their craft and will explain all kinds of cool things that they do and how they do them.  Just remember when they?re working there are two kinds of blacksmiths, those who wear hats and those who are bald. Use the safety equipment or stay away.

I can go on and on about this subject all night however I think I should stop now.

[Monketh]

He\'s got a point there, why would you buy any weapon/armor made of silver or gold other than to hang it on your wall?  I wouldn\'t worry about titanium fish, I think everybody knows it\'s an alloy (I think )


I\'ll admit I\'ve only ever seen a blacksmith twice.