clearing something up

[Auran]

I wouldn\'t say robin was Chaotic. I mean he did wait and strategise before doing anything. I\'d say he was more like neutral good.

[Xordan]

hmm, neutral good sounds right for him. Chaotic good would mean that he would go to any measures to do his stuff.

An example of  Chaotic good:

The inquisition.

They went around killing \'witches\' and \'heritics\' not caring how many innocent they killed with them.

The Witch trials.

Burnt \'witches\' at the stake. If they were innocent it didn\'t matter

[druke]

thats not a good exaple due to the fact that the person belevies that witches are his foe. If he knew he could possibly be killing good people and didn\'t care that would be evil.

on the other hand if he was oblivoius to the goodness then that it chaotic good

[Xordan]

No, it would not be evil, as he would be doing it for a good cause. If u read my definition of chaotic good, then that would be obvious. Any measures means that killing someone innocent is fine.

[Auran]

Okay I am beginning to ge confused myself so let me just restate-

Chaotic = Actions done randomly, wantonly, without deliberation. Example - A religious zealot.

Neutral = Actions done after consideration of fulfillment of one\'s own motives. Example- A rogue

Lawful = Actions done to fulfill one\'s own motives taking into consideration the laws and codex of the land and society. Example- A policeman.

Does everyone agree regardless of Robin\'s alignment. If you do I think we have a consensus.

[lynx_lupo]

I generally agree, there are a few details, but I agree.

[Draklar]

:rolleyes:  The inquisition was chaotic-good yeah... right...
It wasn\'t neither good nor chaotic
I don\'t know what good do you see in what they were doing, and how were they chaotic. Chaotic is about freedom and flexibility, also movements against law. Things they were doing were part of law, I\'d say they were lawful-neutral

Originally posted by Auran
I wouldn\'t say robin was Chaotic. I mean he did wait and strategise before doing anything. I\'d say he was more like neutral good.

Auran, you still don\'t know what chaotic is about
well i repeat: chaotic is about freedom and flexibility. Not about making quick decisions.
Robin was moving against law, and what is opposite to lawful?

[lynx_lupo]

Chaotic is about both of your aspects.

And lawful isn\'t just about Law, just like chaotic isn\'t just about Chaos. Lawfull=more premeditated, chaotic=less or not premeditated, in this detail.

[Draklar]

Ok, here are descriptions of lawful and chaotic

Lawful characters tell the truth, keep their word, respect authority, honor tradition, and judge those who fall short of their duties. Chaotic characters follow their consciences, resent being told what to do, favor new ideas over tradition, and do what they promise if they feel like it.

\"Law\" implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include close-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, and a lack of adaptability.

\"Chaos\" implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility.

Lawful (Honorable): A Lawful person will uphold his Moral Law first (the law of Goodness if Good or Just behavior if Neutral-- Evil is actually not a Law but the lack of such), his sworn oaths second (paladin\'s code, monastic vows, etc.), his governmental and societal laws and traditions third, and the laws of other governments and societies last. The transgression of a higher-priority Law will always cost a great alignment hit than the transgression of a lower law.

Chaotic (Rebellious): A Chaotic person doesn\'t just feel free to break laws, rather he DESPISES authority and feels COMPELLED to rebel against all authorities and to openly flout laws even to his own detriment, even when no benefit can come from doing so. He takes an alignment hit whenever he alters his behavior in order to conform to some law, the more restrictive the law the greater the hit.

and about Robin:

Chaotic Good:

A Chaotic Good person bases their decisions on what \"best serves the people\". So a CG person will take matters of justice into their own hands to make sure that what is \"right\" gets done. An example is a rogue that finds out about a merchant that cheats his customers and then sets about stealing and discrediting the merchant due to the fact that the \"local law\" won\'t or can\'t do anything to stop him from cheating the people. These are the vigilantes of society. Batman, Robin Hood and similar characters are good examples.

[Kiern]

Draklar, you do not prove anything by taking quotes from other people\'s opinions/rules/what the hell ever.

[Draklar]

yeah, but if those are definitions taken from website like that, then it means something

[Kiern]

Nope, not at all...someone still made them up for the game, whether or not they took it from someone else, it is all their opinions which I do not share.

[Xordan]

Originally posted by Draklar
I don\'t know what good do you see in what they were doing,

I don\'t see any good in what they were doing, but as u don\'t know the defination of good, then I don\'t see u\'r point. It isn\'t what I see which makes them good or evil, it\'s what the people see themselves as.

Edit: I have to agree with Kiern. These arn\'t your opinions, someone elses, and as those people arn\'t Gods, then what they say shouldn\'t be seen as the final word.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Xordan
I don\'t see any good in what they were doing, but as u don\'t know the defination of good, then I don\'t see u\'r point. It isn\'t what I see which makes them good or evil, it\'s what the people see themselves as.

good is someone that wants to do good stuff for others, cares about others and not himself. Wants others to have better life. If you put inquisition under that then i think you are the one that doesn\'t know what good is.

Originally posted by Xordan
I have to agree with Kiern. These arn\'t your opinions, someone elses, and as those people arn\'t Gods, then what they say shouldn\'t be seen as the final word.

Furthermore you might say same about definitions in rpg rulebook :rolleyes:
All i wanted to do is to show you definitions of some allignments, because i\'ve seen some weird descriptions of chaotic here:
chaotic is half-crazy: what\'s the problem in being crazy lawful-good, you just see monsters to hunt everywhere, maybe you just have seeing things, but still your goals are same, therefore you have same alignment.
chaotic is about doing stuff without thinking first: as above, why can\'t paladin be like that? Why must he do everything thinking it over first. It is just way of doing stuff, it doesn\'t change your goals/views so you don\'t need to be chaotic to do that.

[shadowmancer]

Religious zealots are not chaotic. They have been pushed through propaganda into believing something. This does not imply chaos; in my opinion, the deliberate actions of an organization imply law.
If you think I\'m wrong, it\'s not my fault, it\'s because you don\'t understand me.