the Dark Empire

[Valbrandr]

Why does this debate go on: inactive or active.  I seen atleast 2-3 of their members on today so they are atleast somewhat active.  Why does it matter so much if the DE is on all day long or not?

[Induane]

Origionally posted by Sangwa:

You are insulting a guild that didn\'t do anything to deserve your insults. You take what has been said by people who are not of my guild as an offence and then attack my guild with insults that were devised by that same people.
Yes there are always exceptions Induane. \"Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.\"

You are correct and I am sorry.  I lashed out because I thought that those people were members of your guild, which  they apparantly were not.  I directed my rebutals at you and your guild when they were not the true culprits.  I am very sorry.  I probabily shouldn\'t have been so defensive in the first place anyways.  In any case - I am sorry to all members of  the DE to whom I have insulted.  I offer no apology however to those who flamed us simply for trying to make friends.

I thank Sangwa for all of the well-spoken words.  There was no attempt at insult, which I respect tremendously.  

Still - all of this has had a postive effect.  This little banter has helped our guild realize our true positions and direction - as you know from Valbrandr\'s post we have changed our allignment - something we discussed the night before.

[Sangwa]

Well, that\'s life Kiern, sometimes you just can\'t get things .

Don\'t worry about it Induane, it was not your fault, I understand that ^^.
Anyway to end this story now, I\'ll contact Valbrandr privately and discuss some ideas.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Kiern
For all I know, Kwartz is.  And if he owned a website saying that he was actually a woman, I don\'t see why it is so hard to believe people might mistake it for the truth.  

Ok, let\'s point out a little detail here.
You, without any research, assumed that DE is inactive and posted that on their thread. Now Sangwa had the right to get angry as your ignorance can, and most likely does, make DE look worse. You can\'t possibly know what is going on on their forums, nor keep a detailed schedule of their activity. Sangwa and DE in all deserves apology, but instead you decided to state that Sangwa doesn\'t know about his own guild\'s activity.

- Swords

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Draklar
You can\'t possibly know what is going on on their forums

That\'s my point, no one can know what is happening on your damn forums except the people allowed there.  

So far, no one has said anything to make me believe that this guild is not inactive, I don\'t care if Sangwa or whatever has the guild tag...that doesn\'t have anything to do with whether or not the guild is active or not, and neither does a few forum posts that no one can see either.  

I\'d apologize if I meant it in a negative way, but why do they care whether or not I think they are inactive?  Why do they care if some newbie reading this forum sees that?  They sure as hell are not going to be let in the guild anyways.  

I wouldn\'t have even replied if I wasn\'t being called blind because I accept the fact that the DE is secretive.  But \"blind\" means there is some place the public can see that shows that this guild is active...point it out to me please, because I\'m interested.  And that does not mean showing that their members are active, I mean the guild.

[Sangwa]

Kiern a guild is composed by members. So if its members are active it\'s normal that the guild also is. It\'s normal that the active members spend some of their activeness working on guild issues.

Anyway, you\'re all mad because I called you blind? I didn\'t think it was that offensive ^^.
I\'m sorry, you\'re not blind. It\'s normal to think a guild is inactive when you only see one of its members around. It\'s just sad when people go around saying, almost like they\'re sure of it, that DE is inactive. You\'re not the first one, it gets annoying after a while.
Ok I guess we\'re all happy now.

[Annah]

Yes, both are happy now, everything stopped! ... xqr?!

[Merdarion]

Kiern, I hate to say, but your posts here are even more pointless than mine on ReBirth (Well mine were pointless but IC)

[Princess Aelya]

Quit the bickering, all of ya. It\'s crap like this that made me stop visiting the forums. I have been inactive in the community(I have reasons) but NOT in the guild itself. The same goes for several of our members. On the outside we might appear inactive, and I have just recently given the OK to start full recruiting again. With the release of CB I will probably start getting more involved in the community. Percieve the DE as you will, but please dont make shameless comments to make us look bad when we don\'t deserve it. It just isnt cool, understand?

So I ask 2 things.

Of the DE members: Ignore peoples comments unless they are blatant lies. Then by all means clear up the banter, but say no more. Other than that just ignore random insults. And needless to say, don\'t do anything as such yourselves.

Of the community/guilds in general: Let me, my council, and members run our guild how we want and let us RP our characters in peace, and without needless/random insults and lies. In return we will be happy to offer you the same in return.

I know the concept of \"being nice\" and \"respecting one another\" is a foreign concept to some of you, but I think we can all pull it off.

Cheers to all

-Empress of the Dark Empire

PS: Kierns reasons for assuming were inactive are completely understandable. We don\'t put on a show out in public. So some may think were \"inactive\". That\'s all ive got to say about that.

[elscouta]

I think many people would like to see the Dark Empire ingame

but you do as you want

[Kiern]

I was just having some fun, can\'t resist messing with Draklar...nice to see you\'re still around Aelya.  Hi to Fiere too, I saw her around somewhere.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by elscouta
I think many people would like to see the Dark Empire ingame

I saw Sangwa, Kwartz and Fiere ingame... and I believe Aelya decided to download it too

Messing with me? I\'m not even DE member :rolleyes:

- Swords

[elscouta]

Oh, i didn\'t see anyone and as i played 5~6 hours/day these last days (up to 15 hours), i guess the timezones didn\'t matched

[lynx_lupo]

Yep, I talked with Fiere yesterday.  
No lemons yet. *massive sigh of relief*

[DepthBlade]

Originally posted by Princess Aelya
Quit the bickering, all of ya. It\'s crap like this that made me stop visiting the forums. I have been inactive in the community(I have reasons) but NOT in the guild itself. The same goes for several of our members. On the outside we might appear inactive, and I have just recently given the OK to start full recruiting again. With the release of CB I will probably start getting more involved in the community. Percieve the DE as you will, but please dont make shameless comments to make us look bad when we don\'t deserve it. It just isnt cool, understand?

So I ask 2 things.

Of the DE members: Ignore peoples comments unless they are blatant lies. Then by all means clear up the banter, but say no more. Other than that just ignore random insults. And needless to say, don\'t do anything as such yourselves.

Of the community/guilds in general: Let me, my council, and members run our guild how we want and let us RP our characters in peace, and without needless/random insults and lies. In return we will be happy to offer you the same in return.

I know the concept of \"being nice\" and \"respecting one another\" is a foreign concept to some of you, but I think we can all pull it off.

Cheers to all

-Empress of the Dark Empire

PS: Kierns reasons for assuming were inactive are completely understandable. We don\'t put on a show out in public. So some may think were \"inactive\". That\'s all ive got to say about that.

OOC: Well perhaps you need not be scared of the bad on these forums and do like most of us do and look past it. Its not a hard thing to do..

IC: Still alive Aelya? Thats a real shame for a minute there I thought you got lucky and died in your sleep..that would\'ve been alot better then what is going to happen to you..Royality doesn\'t receive mercy unfortunate for you... Better get your people up and going because  T.H.S is going to knock you down and rip you apart! Unless that is you get on both knees and ask to be forgiven...then perhaps your fate would change somewhat...