Potty Mouth gets U.S.I.M!

[DepthBlade]

I might sound like a square saying this but people these days not just kids the modern world needs a bit of putting in place! Things were alot better before Dr. Phil and Oprah starting teaching people spankings and what not are bad THERE GOOD AND WE ALL NEED ONE!!  Coral Punishment is good as well BEAT THEM WITH THE RULER STICK!!

[seperot]

heh i\'ve never had and psycotic teachers i did how ever have a teacher i made crack in 2 mentally and she spent the whole summer hoilday seeing a psycologist then the following year avoided me to the point of darting around corners.

her problem was she was to soft but a very bad teacher...so basicly you chould say i befriended her then about 2/3rds into the year turned so evil on her there was once a big crises where half my gradel chouldsent go to there next class


ahh proud memories

[SaintNuclear]

Any type of punishment doesn\'t necessarily gets it\'s goal.
Let\'s say your kid does something bad, and you beat him for that.
You think that later in life he won\'t do it because you beat him for it, but what if he grows and says \"peanut the system\", and does it because you beat him?
Same thing can happen in non-violent punishment.

Don\'t try to think logically here. Punishing might make him stop doing it, but it might make him a goth, or a hippy or something. But not punishing him might do the exact same thing, so, you can never be sure.

[karakth]

Punishing a child instills the right and wrong values in them. A child learns mainly by doing something and observing your reaction to their action. A child is not as advanced and mature as you, so sometimes they will listen only to the tone of your voice, not the words themselves. So if you say calmly, \"That was bad, son.\" it might not get the message across as well as \"That is wrong! Do not do it again!\"

This mentality, however, has to change as the child grows into a teenager. They are now mature enough to listen to reason and logic, and have probably learnt to tune out of your shouting (I have). The thing to remember is to not be afraid of your child (i.e. \"I am scared that if I shout at him or spank him he will put me in an old people\'s home.\"). Your child might scream that he or she hates you at the time for rebuking them, but they will thank you for it later on in life (Indeed they will hate you for it if you do not instill the correct values).

One last thing. Children do not come with manuals, and even though each case is individual, sometimes it is good to ask advice from people who have raised children (your parents).

[lynx_lupo]

Punishment sure, but not corporal.

And here, the teachers that threatened were considered funny(none would hurt a fly).

[Ineluke]

Originally posted by SaintNuclear
Any type of punishment doesn\'t necessarily gets it\'s goal.
Let\'s say your kid does something bad, and you beat him for that.
You think that later in life he won\'t do it because you beat him for it, but what if he grows and says \"peanut the system\", and does it because you beat him?
Same thing can happen in non-violent punishment.

Don\'t try to think logically here. Punishing might make him stop doing it, but it might make him a goth, or a hippy or something. But not punishing him might do the exact same thing, so, you can never be sure.

Um so what? Do we just not punish anyone ever because they might grow to like it? That makes no sense.

When I was growing up I did get spankings from my father but only on a rare occasion. Spankings were reserved for the most serious of offences. Everything else was the corner with telephone books on my arms...
If they dropped another was added or I got another 5 minutes. I think when I have children I will use the same methods. Reserve the spanking for the most severe offences and the rest is restriction and telephone books.

Guess I\'d better start saving telephone books...

Oh and there is nothing wrong with being a goth or a hippy if thats what makes you or your child happy. No matter how you choose to dicipline that child you should love them for who they are and not get all bent out of shape cause they weren\'t just like you.

[DepthBlade]

Funny thing is although in this day and age it seems wrong for a teacher to punish with a ruler stick, soap but they have yet to change the law in our school its very much still there, most teachers wont use it because  fear of parent up rising and reputation!

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Ineluke
Um so what? Do we just not punish anyone ever because they might grow to like it? That makes no sense.

Read what I posted again:

Originally posted by Me
Any type of punishment doesn\'t necessarily gets it\'s goal.

This is the key line here. I\'m saying that you shouldn\'t punish your child and expect him to grow diffrently because it might come out the exact opposite. Of course, not punishing will be bad too. Just don\'t be so naive and think that a slap with a ruler will solve everything and your child will come out exactly as you want him to.

Oh and there is nothing wrong with being a goth or a hippy if thats what makes you or your child happy. No matter how you choose to dicipline that child you should love them for who they are and not get all bent out of shape cause they weren\'t just like you.

Right, but I doubt any sane person would want his kid to be a suicidal goth that cuts his wrists every Monday, or some freakish hippy that goes to some weirdo commune, get a peanutload of STDs from orgies, and participate in a mass suicide just because the leader said so. No sane person would want his child to grow like that, whether it makes his child happy or not.

[XpYtZ]

No punishment system is perfect. I was punished in an almost abusive manner as a child and I turned out great. Good work ethic, respect for people and their value systems weather I agree or not, etc. But I would never treat my own kids that way.
A teacher, no matter what we all think, never has the right to physically punish another person?s kids. They can give them detention until the end of their life, but not physically punish them. There are other ways to do it. I?ve had my share of evil teachers in 5-9th, some of them I managed to get fired and, although they deserved it, I?m not at all proud of it.
This is just more proof that there are way to many parents who have NO idea what so ever how to discipline their children. ?Spare the rod, spoil the child.? is not talking about beating people with rakes, it?s a metaphor. If you can?t teach your kids respect and self-control/discipline than maybe, just maybe, they learned that behavior from you.
Teachers on the other hand need to suck it up and use their authority properly.
Kids will be kids but it is all about respect. More teachers should try to earn their students respect and not just expect it. I know that in the adult world we have a certain level of respect for peoples accomplishments but kids usually haven?t had to work their way through college while supporting a wife and kids. It changes the whole world. I think more teachers need to remember that most youth have NEVER had to deal with real responsibility. I also think that the more responsibility you give a youth (I.E. they pay the prices for their actions, right or wrong, and have ?chores?) the better they understand that they have no one to blame but themselves. In western culture we tend to blame everything on our mother, father, society?anyone but US. Damn it people its your own damn fault! I doubt strongly that the kids getting in so much trouble these days were abused or locked in cages until they were all grown up. News Flash: the world does not own you anything. I understand that there are other forms of abuse other than the physical ones, there is the mental arena as well ?among others- and there are all kinds of abuse there, but cant we teach our kids to take a little responsibility for their actions and respect people.
My rant.

[tygerwilde]

you have a very skewed view of goths and hippy\'s you know? I\'ve never met TRUE goth that cut themselves. only the one\'s that dress and act that way for attention. Gothism is about a view on life, not a way to dress or behave. the same is true for hippies, they have thier beliefs, the dress is just an extension of those beliefs.

goths believe that the world is shrouded in darkness, hence the black clothes, they don\'t want to kill themselves because of it, they just don\'t see a reason to try to make life better for themselves.

hippies believe that love can make the world a better place. not all of them beleive in joining in mass copulation.

remember, the ones that act badly are the ones who give a group a reputation. I\'ll be happy for my son if he decides that he wants to be a goth or hippy, but I\'ll warn him about the dangers of certain activities.

anyway, corporal punishment should be used firmly, and consistently, yet in moderation, you shouldn\'t spank for every breech of the rules, but for the same ones. you have to lay down the law early on, what can he do wrong to get himself spanked, and you have to stick with it, spanking him every time he breaks those rules. but you also have to talk to him about it, explain your reason. if my son hits another person, he gets spanked, every time, I tell him, \"that hurts _____, how do you like it when you get hurt?\". and he\'s learned for the most part not to hit people.

[SaintNuclear]

Tyger, you know what I meant. And of course that the drastic ones give the reputation to groups, that\'s how we see things, we\'re humans.

Would you want any of your kids to grow up like the examples I gave (not the broader terms, the specific examples), even if it makes them happy?

[Slicer]

Originally posted by Ineluke
...corner with telephone books on my arms...
If they dropped another was added or I got another 5 minutes. I think when I have children I will use the same methods. Reserve the spanking for the most severe offences and the rest is restriction and telephone books.

Guess I\'d better start saving telephone books...  

Your poor kids, that\'s not fair, as the population increases so do the size of telephone books, the ones you had probably weighed a lot less .
J/K


But this is all about punishment, why??? Shouldn\'t rewarding your children when they do something good be just as important? If you do nothing but punish your children for bad things then what about the good things? You need a balance of punishment and encouragement and rewards.

[Ineluke]

Originally posted by SaintNuclear
Tyger, you know what I meant. And of course that the drastic ones give the reputation to groups, that\'s how we see things, we\'re humans.

Would you want any of your kids to grow up like the examples I gave (not the broader terms, the specific examples), even if it makes them happy?

Obviously if they are trying to commit suicide they are not happy...And all goths dont hate the world for some its just a style thing. They like the types of clothes that goths wear. And as far as orgies go... um If they like orgies then...

Your poor kids, that\'s not fair, as the population increases so do the size of telephone books, the ones you had probably weighed a lot less .

LOL yeah so I guess they will have to behave themselves.

But this is all about punishment, why??? Shouldn\'t rewarding your children when they do something good be just as important? If you do nothing but punish your children for bad things then what about the good things? You need a balance of punishment and encouragement and rewards.

/me nods his head in agreement.

[tygerwilde]

They like the types of clothes that goths wear

a person who wears it for the style isn\'t a goth, they are a wannabe. gothism is the philosophy, not the clothes. and I didn\'t say it\'s about hating the world, it\'s about looking at the darker side of life. a goth can have a perfectly good time, they just don\'t believe the world is all sunshine and roses, they tend to look more at the moonlight and lilies side of life. I\'ve known enough REAL goths to know the difference. a friend of mine named Chuck used to tell me I was a goth in redneck clothing because I used to believe some similar ideas.


[edit] I don\'t know why I put that up in bold instead of quotes...

[karakth]

The way my parents handle me is this: They offer me advice, but let me make my own choices. Then, however, I will accept the concequences of my actions. Since this started off with minor things, I have developed a trust relationship with my parents where I can go to them for advice, because it is usually very sound, and take responsibility for my actions. I think it\'s important to give children advice but let them make their own choices from the beginning (implemeting this system when they become teens won\'t work). Kids need to learn how to make their own decisions while still seeking advice and taking responsibility for their actions.

Another thing to remember is that children experiment, and they will try to push you to see how far they can go. Do not let them walk over you, and make it clear that you are the parent and the one in charge. I remember I used to challenge my parents\' authority (which is very similar to what chimps do; young chimps are known to challenge adults, and sometimes have to be faced down and put in their place). It is the nature of children to want to be in control.