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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2004, 12:11:49 am »
Black Order, except for a brief period of Lawful that Annah decided on after the return of Aelya, has been neutral for quite a while. We were even allied with Mirth at one point.

Although BO is neutral, I\'ve always thought that it is still not a guild for good characters. The Dark Alliance is one of the things that helps define it, IMO. No Dark Alliance, and BO is a different guild.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2004, 05:27:37 am »
I must agree with Joeyguy on this point. My fledgeling guild was not yet fully developed when Annah stepped in, having noticed my recruitment thread. If you take away the Dark Alliance from the Chaotic Neutral Blackflame Clan, you leave a shell of a guild that lacks a purpose, or really anything except ideals to draw new members. I, at the time, did not know Yliakum well enough to define those things. It is the history of both of our guilds that make them what they are, and it is the alliance of Black Order, Blackflame Clan, and the Dark Empire into one all-powerful force of darkness that can make or break the reputation of every guild involved. How many times have we all been recognized as \"evil\" guilds though the Dark Empire is the only evil one? And even then the guild is lawful evil (so they show some restraint, not chaotic evil insane murderers or some such)!

So it has come to this. It is time to reveal publicly my plans. Since the beginning of this very thread that you now read, I have been contacting old friends and allies, attempting to begin a process which at its completion would yield a powerful force to be reckoned with. The membership of the Blackflame Clan (which is greater than most of you know) and the membership of Black Order has been working together tirelessly since my return to put together a single guild, which is to be known as the Dark Alliance, that will support the membership of all guilds involved in the project. It was the original hope of the initiative to have the guild led by a triumvirate - myself, Kris, and Aelya. The guild would proudly bind together the Black Order, Blackflame Clan, and Dark Empire into a lasting alliance, not just contractually or verbally agreed upon, but woven into a structure that would call for the disbanding of each guild to allow full participation in the union. Kris and I especially have been involved in this, working out a guild history and philosophy befitting such a union, and detailing the nine ranks that would be therein contained. For a frustratingly long time, though, my private messages and e-mails have not been answered except when the recipients were of my own guild or my friends in the Black Order (excluding Psycon, their newest member, with whom I have had no contact).

At this point it is my intention to declare openly on these boards the project which is now fully underway, and to ask any who read and could potentially be involved, are you with us or against us? The Black Order and Blackflame Clan will now almost certainly merge and become one, but as both of us have stated clearly, the union will not be pure without the full consent and participation of the Dark Empire. There is little to be lost, and much to be gained. You may also notice that previously in this thread many times was mentioned the need to speak with members of the ForsakenOnes and Hellsing. My questions about the latter were answered as per Kiern, which was to say I have finally been given some clue as to who Hellsing ever was besides General Alucard. As for the former, I have been been playing \"PM tag\" with Windwalker a bit but that\'s about it. Dark Empire and ForsakenOnes, the time is now. I wish to know what your feelings toward this are. As the ForsakenOnes were not involved in the Alliance itself, their guild lore has not been incorporated into the plans for this new guild. However, if they do disband, as they seem to be on the brink of doing, I would gladly extend membership to each and every former member of theirs.

This undertaking is ripe, and already it has gone much further than I had anticipated to only have partial participation from the Allies. I will, out of courtesy, halt my guild\'s involvement in the project, until an answer one way or the other is received from those to whom I have extended an invitation. What say you all?

[edit] Until this issue gets resolved the BFC will have a temporary website. Please forgive the lack of effort and the geocities hosting until I can get either (a) a Dark Alliance all-encompassing page up or (b) a new and improved website for the Ciphers!
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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2004, 10:27:42 am »
ha! I just said the name is not fully befitting. DA sounds to me like a an A of a bunch of liches and their minions...

A guild merge sounds great to me - there are less guilds, but more quality is involved. So good luck with the effort, but remember it\'s vacation time. ;)

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2004, 01:10:34 pm »
What would the alignment of this new guild be?

If it is evil, you can never have the support of the Citadel of Light.  

And remember, whatever your declared alignment, evil deeds will make you evil in our eyes.

Try not to stray too far from the path of the Light, my friends.  :)

OOC:  Good luck!  It is nice that two guilds that are so similar are merging.  Otherwise, we find ourselves with clones..  

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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2004, 04:11:03 am »
Alignment is a question which has plagued this discussion repeatedly since its inception.

I, personally, will retain my alignment of Chaotic Neutral.

As for the concept-guild, the Black Order wishes for neutrality or at worst a lawful evil. I had originally thought lawful evil would be the most fitting, for although not all members are evil, the \"collective\" alignment would be best described as lawful, because we are highly organized and oligarchic, and evil because, well, I just don\'t see this guild taking a neutral or back-seat role. Plus a lot of people think of us as one of the main sources of evil in the land. We would be a disapointment to PS if we made this powerful merger and left you guys with only the Cabal and Militia to deal with. It would be just shameful.  :P
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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2004, 07:21:54 am »
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Originally Posted by Yarulion
We would be a disapointment to PS if we made this powerful merger and left you guys with only the Cabal and Militia to deal with. It would be just shameful.  :P


And Incensio Tenebrae. Can\'t forget IT. The initials, IT, are so easy to remember, you should, well, remember. That\'s right. We are evil and we are here. Good day...for now. :]

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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2004, 12:40:24 am »
indeed im insulted you neglected to notice IT yar........then again with work moving out and lack of a smelly over aged howler monkey named dorbian there hasent been much of an effort from this end.....this should change when.....umm.....oh ya know when i get round to it......

Cabal is little more then a few trolls sitting in a cave drawing faces on the pictures of a newspaper someone felt sorry for them and gave them for bedding

metal mi...ma.....the  stupid guild with the guy whos name is a funny hat is utterly pointless and there objectives contradict themselfs its worrying they have lived so long :|

so yea your only choice of a good ol fasion \"burn the villages while they sleep set the women on fire and use the childern as crossbow target evil\" is with the IT

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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2004, 01:19:31 pm »
Well all this member swapping with the followers of aliathi you seem to be doing makes IT more of a good guild then an evil one ;)

Beh, Cabal still outnumber all 3 of your guilds :P And if you do merge then you\'ll be seen by us an an evil guild, unless DE suddenly changes it\'s alignment to neutral before joining.

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« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2004, 10:07:17 am »
The Dark Empire is an original and old school PS guild, I intend to keep it that way by not throwing away everything we stand for, for a merge. It\'s a matter of principle. So I will make this very clear to everyone:

THE DARK EMPIRE IS AN ORIGINAL GUILD AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY, THIS MEANS WE ARE NOT MERGING WITH ANY OTHER GUILD!

Any rumors of the DE that concern merging is FALSE. It is very doubtful it will ever happen. True, I once thought of a merge with BFC, but then I realised I just dont want to do that.

DE\'s alignment is NOT UP FOR DEBATE. We are lawful Evil based, and will stay that way.

I do not mean to discourage the idea of other evil guilds merging, I am just saying that as of now (and doubtful even later) the DE is not apart of it.

Why do I not want to merge? Well my concerns are this:

1. I prefer to stay in a guild where RP\'ing is of high priority. The DE rules for membership state that you must RP to be in the guild. If we were to abide by this merge, whats to assure that rule is preserved, and to its full effect? I don\'t believe simply stating \"you must RP\" is enough. it must be enforced.

2. We are talking about 3-4 evil guilds merging here. This means 3-4 different groups with some things in common, and some things not so in common. And it is my experience from previous MMORPG\'a ive played that merged guilds are much more prone to internal conflict than seperate and independant guilds. Even merging 2 can be problematic, let alone 3 or 4.

3. The DE is militant based as it always has been. And is yet unique in its own way. Merging will not help to preserve this. Maybe the \"new\" DA would be militant based, but it just wouldnt have that classic DE feel ive always loved.

So to sum it up in regards to the DE\'s stance on BFC, and BO:

Merge=No
Alliance=Yes
Object to BO and BFC merging=No, by all means, merge as you wish.

Thats my official statement *attaches the Dark Imperial seal* :P
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« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2004, 11:30:04 am »
Heya my love ;)
 You still hold the same thoughts. Well, I don\'t think that many know it, but a merging was tried almost an year ago also. Everyone wanted, except one person ...
 I am not a BO member anymore, so what I will tell I think you will be about everyone involved in here.
 When we created this guilds Aelya, a looong time ago, we made it to gather all the friends in them, now I kinda saw that these goals slowly dissappeared, and the quest for power has begun.
 The time of the old guilds, has long come, and we really can\'t do anything to prevent this. Of course, we could just say a big NO. But what will you do? Live in shadows all the time? Always stay with one foot in the grave? Why everyone is so stubborn ... just for one name. Because if you think well, everything spins around the name ... about a stupid rank. Everything that  has a beginning, has an end.
 And not only Matrix proved it :) This is an old saying ... :P
 Anyway, I PMed Yarulion with some new ideas and stuff, like I said, maybe I\'ll be inactive, but I will never leave PS ... never.
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« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2004, 08:08:34 pm »
Um... you did? Cos I never got that PM.

Unless you\'re referring to one about a week ago... and you just told me you had some new ideas and stuff... not really what they were...


Anyways, I will not make public my feelings on this matter further, except to say I am very disappointed. Without the support of the DE (or rather of Aelya, as the one guy I know in DE liked the idea  :P ) the plans have come to a grinding halt. Any merger involving any of the aforementioned guilds is at least on hold (possibly just absolved) until something else can be decided.
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« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2004, 01:45:38 am »
Welcome back Yarulion, been a while.

As far as updating: Alucard is a member of the Calen Vakhar (My guild) and I am no longer a member of the DE.

Oh and good to see you\'re still alive Aelya.

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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2004, 04:49:24 am »
Good to see you, too, Aendar. Good luck with modding and the new guild. :))
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2004, 06:21:32 am »
Well I\'m not one to give up just like that Annah, you know me better than that. What do I want out of it? I want to forge a PS legend some day, in the name of the DE. It\'s a matter of spirit and pride, and I am not ready to throw it away.

Good to see you to Aendar, I see your a mod. Congrats :D
« Last Edit: August 21, 2004, 06:22:08 am by Princess Aelya »
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2004, 09:05:26 am »
Yeah good luck with your *new* guild :P

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