PlaneShift

assigning to ellille and tomt

Please assign to Rules-Crafting / Bovek

Might be fixed on Test server - please set Ready To Test

This problem seems to remain in 0.5.0 and due to the new (NPC) pricing system might be worth to take a look at.

Bring joy to the cooks, allow them to earn a living!

EDIT referring to Bovek’s comment below:
We do have patience. Putting things in balance takes its time.

I’ve some crafting updates pending review that should help.
We can’t let it become a runaway exploit either….hang in there.

Still pending or can this be closed? :)

This needs in-game testing at various skill levels

Keella tried today to cook something ant this are the results: Skills: cooking 62, baking 38. First seared around 100 fish that were already filleted, before searing Q was about 58-60 and after searing could get only common and standard seared fish about 50/50. Next tried to clean fish: on 16 fishes used 2 come out inferior Q and others just common. That were just some basic operations, will add more when I try. Also Trout is unusable, you can fish it but can’t make anything out of it yet. I am on version 0.5.4 with the latest update as of today.

Did some statistics

Char: Minks Feru on Skylab, Cooking 35. (Baking 7, but probably not relevant here.)

Test 1: Seared Carp

Worked on each item (starting with 50 carp fish) seperately, stacked them before the next transformation step.
So the “stacked q” is the starting point for the next step.

Qualities are lowest, higheststacked (= average)

cleaned carp: 42, 72, 60 filetted: 46, 92, 68 seared: 69, 145, 103

Result:

• A slight upwards trend with each transformation step (probably intended).
• Quality is similar to that of Keela’s seared fish (I believe 100 is the border between common and standard), despite my much lower cooking skill!

Test 2: Sliced Apples

Part a: Same conditions as Test 1, starting with 15 apples.

(lowest, highest, stacked q)
peeled: 26, 69, 58 cored: 36, 80, 60 sliced: 45, 80, 65

Part b: 50 apples, cut as stack
peeled: 77
cored: 72
sliced: 54

Result:

• Does the upwards trend invert for stacks? Or was that just bad luck, since one stack = one transformation step = no statistics? If that is the case, I vote to take out the random element from stacked crafting.

Test 3: Apple jam.

Same conditions as Test 1.
Ingredients(q):
Sliced Apples(57), Water Pouch(72), Scoop of Strimptor(57)

Statistics of 8 batches:

Sweet Apple Mash: 72 (all identical, no randomness)
Apple Jam (l,h,s): 103, 146, 125

Result:

• Same upwards trend. More ingredients/more difficult recipe = higher quality? Intended? I used to make q270 complicated stew and standard fried fish.Shouldn’t complicated recipes not be easier to screw up?
• Had some old apple jam in storage, q119. So it seems there is no change yet on Skylab.

Summary: Another fix stuck in the dropbox?

It seems the more complicated the dish is the better the Q works.

I am 79 in cooking and 42 in baking.
I did some sliced apples and got an average Q in the 60’s
I did some seared fish and got an average Q of 130
I’ve done a bunch of cookies lately and got Qs in the range of 296 to 160 with a lot of the cookies in the 250Q range.
I see a recent pie I made was 189Q

I’d have to do some addition of the more complicated dishes to see if the Q works better for them or just for the cookies.

I could be wrong here, but the numbers posted here do not seem to differ much of what I have in mind for the rank-independent quality values previously observed.

Re-assigning, to Stelanso.
Stelanso: can you recheck the status of these transformations? The report was set ready-to-test by Bovek, indicating changes should be on the servers, but Keella told me the same problems still exist (see values posted above).

Wasn’t this fixed a while ago?