PlaneShift

And, when you npc sell lower level gems, because you are not so highly ranked, you loose a huge amount of tria. So, for training intermediate level magic, enchanting is a _big_time failure. (May be intended, though?)

Can it be that some of these rules were designed to encourage the use of high quality gems? Mining those was impossible for a long time and maybe still is, but maybe the idea is to have near 100% enchanting success rates when the gems are of better quality.

Full agreement from me on this one. I'm not really too fussed on how it's changed, just feel it really dose need changing. I'd like the time needed to be shortened especially I think… Such a long amount of time with nothing to interact with is just an amazingly good way to get someone bored and impatient with the game. And I don't think that's what we want players to be feeling.

you can also buff yourself significantly with potions, one each of the three three-way potions (minor, major and potion) and one each of the two single way potions. I've managed to get over a 100 levels this way with imperfect potions.

Thank you for fixing this!
I think the new enchanting practice rules are fair and satisfying!
I think this task can be closed :)

This isn't anywhere close to fixed. I realize when Enchanting was first introduced it became an exploit for magic training, but the current situation is a serious over-reaction. I suggest the following:

Change the Enchanter to a 4-slot auto-container so you don't have to click the Use button.
- keep the transform at singles, not stacks, so you can only do up to 4 at a time per enchanter.
- perhaps consider a conbine in front of the transform with a blood or poison animal parts loot item.

Transform time should be max 30-seconds, min 5 seconds, linear decrease based on level up to level 100, floored at 5 seconds for any level above 100.

Mental Stamina burn rate should reflect the number of concurrent transforms one has going, thus making it difficult to load up multiple Enchanters at once, and the transform should fail to start if you don't have enough mental stamina to complete it based on total current burn rate.

Practice for success: 2
Practice for failure: 1
- currently the practice is much higher, too high IMHO

Success rate min 95%, increasing to 100% at level 100 and above, more similar to other crafting.
- magic dust isn't useful in combat with weapons, and the resistance to opposing magic isn't really valuable, and it offers no buff in magic output power
- IMHO the dust should be treated as a garbage item, disposable, worthless, and the enchanter should destroy it if left in the container for more than a minute or so.

Possible extension: if mental stamina is exhausted before the transform completes, halve the success rate. Recovery spells will only slow down the drain of mental stamina if you have multiple transforms going, so unless a player wants to spend a lot of tria on potions to keep it above zero, this adds another exploit limiter.

Try to remember this is a GAME. Long-running tasks break the engagement of the player and promote botting.

Me and Tuathanach recently revised the time, skill min and max requirements and fixed the values if they were wrong or too big. Available at the next server update.

So with the recent changes, Enchanting really isn't much better.

Red Way: 151(163) - Master Level
Material: Rubies and Fire Glyph
4 stacks took about 40 minutes to process, one at a time.
No apparent mental stamina drain now (Will 230, Int 250, Cha 200)
20% went to dust…zero value
Practice is low
Average Quality: 100
Average Price: 105 tria, net 20.5K

Compared to Metallurgy:
Skill Level: 97
Material: Silver Ingots
4 stacks run through 4 times in about 40 minutes
100% success rate
Ranked up twice
Average Quality: 230
Average Price: 560 tria , net 145.6K

Take Away… At 30% lower skill in Metallurgy, the income from the silver ingots is over 7 times that of Enchanting
- A Q100 silver ingot is worth nearly twice that of a Q100 Flaming Ruby, and requires half the Metallurgy skill to produce.
Quality of enchanted gems is much too low for a skill level of 151(163)…should be Q300 at master level.
Enchanting is a once-through process…cannot repeat to improve the quality
Enchanting requires a lot more clicking versus stack splitting of ingots
Metallurgy is busy, Enchanting is mostly waiting idle

If you only consider the enchanted gems as intermediate items, then the story gets worse for Enchanting as you must then factor in the materials and training costs of the armor they'll be combined with. The only way a mage can get a decent price for the gems is to partner with an armor crafter who can embed the gems and sell the finished armor, but they will want most of the profit as they'll have most of the investment in materials and training of two skills to support.

The two tests cannot be compared for the following reason:
- skill ranks are very different (97 vs. 151)
- the process min requirement compared to the skill rank are very different, obviously you can't expect a lot to gain the same amount of practice
- same can be said for the price: silver ore is much more worth than a ruby crystal
You should try to enchantment diamonds or sapphire to gain more practice and trias.

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