PlaneShift

Kran are too big to enter some places - kra can’t enter Menitas tent or the dark rogue hideout. Double alt to roll through is a workaround but it is still annoying

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I think its a thunder clakcer

just found 4 trees in emerald river. 2 saplings, completely submerged, a slightly larger sapling close to the bank with its head out of the water and a fully grown fir

/pos -283992.16 -421496.05 1608.69 .. large west.

there are other plants close by but the trees are the main items that need to be moved.

The new player to Hydlaa from the BD come with some maps given. Basically 2 x maps, 1 is Hydlaa main city map and 2 is East Hydlaa. Both these 2 maps i found in my Inventory just after arriving in Hydlaa Plaza with my new Characters. The issue/bug is just can’t open or use the map. The right click of mouse on the map does nothing. And as the rt clk does nothing so the option of clking the ‘use’ icon is definitely not there, plus the map cannot be drag and dropped in the black area in middle of the inventory. Thus No map drawing to be seen, as was in legacy and No addition of Map to the compendium.

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Entering the doorway to the Dark Rogue hideout in the Abandoned Mine is nigh impossible. I had to crouch-roll several times to go past the doorway. (The other direction, out, works smoothly)

The wooden door to the little chamber behind the hideout is no longer clickable. /ability detect secrets didn’t do anything obvious either.

I have been trying to place decoration and a book onto the stone block in the entrance area of the guildlaw map (our guildhouse instance of it)
A weapon as well as the book have disappeared inside the map geometry instead of on the surface.

Without command line support for targetting comparable to what we used to have in legacy (/target next item) I don’t see any way of retrieving an item lost this way.

The paragraphs ‘§’ on the walls of the guild house map “guildlaw” are mirrored. For years already (just always forgot to report it).

floating building located here: -335500.28 -590858.44 18368.43

you can walk on water at this river: cup_of_laanx 717636.88 -659357.94 10930.61

/pos hydlaa_plaza 179911.09 -295941.69 10545.03

Similar but not identical to FS#7871

Four trees growing in the center of the riverbed at /pos
raurim_area 632871.68 -471483.83 9353.26

Although not impossible to have them grow in the water, it’s highly unlikely they’d grow at the center of the stream.

There’s a minor map glitch in Jayose library.
On the ground floor there’s a patch of grass blades floating between the shelves in mid air.

I consider it unrealistic how terrain is (not) interacting with movement.

As far as I know, in real life, every meter up is as taxing as ten meters across. (The factor of 10 is from a schoolbok, it might be a good idea to verify this from a professional source.)
Going downwards requires concentration to avoid slipping and falling, and a surprisingly large amount of strength to absorb the shock from “falling” the height would lose with every step. (Walk down 250 metres of a moderately steep slope with a backpack on your shoulders and you’ll know what I mean.)

In terms of game mechanics, this would mean:
* When running upwards, the speed should decrease and stamina loss should increase, and the cumulative effect of these two changes should be drastic. It’s possible to trade one change for the other: keeping the speed unchanged and massively increasing stamina loss would force players to rest, keeping the stamina loss constant would call for a massive speed reduction. However, I think it should be a little of both since that causes interesting effects (see below under “game experience”).
* When walking downwards, there should be no stamina loss (you can make the physics work for you), and you should be faster, but you lose mental stamina. The less your mental stamina is, the higher the probability of slipping and falling. If you fall on a too-steep slope, you continue skidding. Falling should do damage that’s proportional to the total weight (character + load), blunt damage (not much help from armor); skidding should do damage-over-time, armor protecting fully (essentially this is abrasive damage, which is similar to slash - but don’t give characters armor training from that).

In terms of game experience, this would mean:
* Getting up on a slope is a time-consuming experience, and almost never worth avoiding the walk around the hill. People will stay on the paths in the valleys. This will cause more interaction between normal travellers (and make Cutthroat Lane work better for the Cutthroads, too). It will also make people who leave the road more likely to remain undetected.
* The Settings team can make NPCs less accessible and less likely to be found by placing them on a hilltop, or in a valley behind mountain pass.
* Players with maxed stats have less issues with upward slopes than newbies, but they will still avoid slopes unless they have reason to.
* Hilltops will become a tactical advantage. An attacker will need far more time to reach a defender on the top, and expose himself to ranged combat for a longer time. (Take this into consideration when reducing the effectiveness of long-range combat spells; ideally, a mage would win against a fighter from a hilltop, and lose against a fighter on even ground.)
* Hilltops also become a bit of a trap. Defenders forced to flee from a hilltop risk falling and getting overwhelmed.
* Pursuing down a hilltop is problematic due to risk of falling. Defenders might want to hide a pursuit team in a nearby valley that’s near the height of the route of the attackers, though that would force them to split up forces. Decisions, decisions… which means tactical variation, which is a Good Thing when it comes to making the combat aspects of the game interesting :)
* Reaching the Eagle Bronze Doors takes a lot of time already, making them even less reachable will no doubt make many players very unhappy. An alchemist that sells stamina regeneration potions at the bottom of the path up would help with that.

Just my 5 cents :)
(and no, I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon :D )

After executing a dismount, I end up underneath (and partially inside of) the mount rather than beside it.

The bed’s canopys in Amdeneir tavern are too low for anyone/race to use the beds.

Picture depicting Vakachehk being to tall to get under the bed canopy

You might be able to use them if we could some how have a lying down command and be able to scoot over. Or right click the bed and click ‘Use’ and our character’s automatically lay on the beds. However they’re unusable at the moment.

If the new “NPC DIalog” is enabled, and you have an NPC targeted (possibly from an earlier quest dialog), you suddenly stop if you move far enough away from this NPC.

Probably losely related to PS#5629

First - It seems there is a delay in stamina measurment, so what can happen is that you are moving, getting low on stamina, you stop moving but even after that you can still get sometimes “You are exhausted” message. This is more a feature than bug, but I think it is important in this case. So now what happened:
I was riding a rivnak and got low on stamina. I continued riding and reached my target destination before I had actually run out of stamina, but I was very low at the time. I dismounted the rivnak and around this moment I got “You are exhausted” message. After I dismounted I couldn’t move - the game was saying that I was exhausted. I couldn’t cast spells or do anything that is prevevented when you are exhausted. However, the game was displaying I have full stamina (After dismounting a pet there is a small delay before your health and stamina values are updated to be on par with the current values.) and this did not change even after two minutes I was waiting. So the game still though I am exhausted - mounting again the pet did not help. Client restart helped of course.
I think that the problam may be somewhere between delayed “you are exhusted” message and after dismount stamina and health synchronization. It seems that when you receive in right (or wrong :) ) moment the exhaused message the synchronization after dismount fails in some way resulting in character being viewed as exhausted permanently.

When you trade with and NPC and it is walking, it won’t stop, and you will no longer be able to buy or sell anything from it, since it will be far away from where you started to trade…

The screenshots pretty much tell the whole story.

1) Have char A (Primatus for me) enter the GH and sit on some furniture.
2) Have char B (Sabor) log into the GH.

A on A’s client is atop the furniture, while on B’s client A is in the furniture. Probably a symptom of the known issues with object spawning in PS, but still….really guys?

In Legacy PlaneShift, the default movements are:
W = Walk forwards
S = Walk backwards
A = Turn to the left until keypress ends
D = Turn to the right until keypress ends

However in PSU, the movement is as follows:

W = Walk forwards
S = Turn 180 degrees and then walk forwards (towards the camera)
A = Turn 90 degrees left and then walk forwards (at 270 degrees from camera)
D = Turn 90 degrees right and then walk forwards (at 90 degrees from camera)

This is incongruent with legacy movements, but also complicated by the requirement to use the mouse for both UI interaction and movement concurrently.

It may be that this is a result of the absence of a ‘third-person follow’ camera, but behaviour should follow that of legacy.

When I jump near an NPC my character tries to climb on top of it and then falls thru the NPC. I’m guessing it should not be possible to climb on NPCs.. although it would be fun :D

Narrow gateways that were easily passable for mounts in Legacy are now hard or even impossible to get through. One example is the first stairs going down in the Welcome Area. It takes several tries with jumping to get through. And speaking of jumps, they are much lower than in Legacy, so fences in Hydlaa have become unsurmountable.

When I walk forward using W, I need to use mouse-look to turn around while walking. Walking a winding stair, I need to keep turning and turning while walking … until suddenly the mouse pointer left the game window. (Running the game in Windowed mode.)

The mouse pointer should not move in the game window while I press a mouse key to look around.

FR by Vakachehk:

I have an idea for mounts which will need some changes to some maps.
For Rivnaks (maybe Drifters too) having stables in which without a ring you may summon them, and dismiss them, without any skill of any ring needed, maybe a tria fee of like 50trias every summon/dismiss (of course there's the obvious issue you un-mount and leave your Rivnak somewhere, either the game automatically dismisses it or it is able to be stolen via a player, or a mechanical guard comes and takes it back to the stable or whatever). Using your Ring of Summon Familiar you can use the skill Empathy to dismiss/summon/etc, anywhere at any time.
Also I was thinking about the skill 'Riding' maybe this could be trainable and used in combat while on your rivnak?

When a player character is within the interaction range of an NPC, a mark (label) of some sort should appear above that NPC if they are offering some new or repeatable quests (! not some information for those already running !) for that particular character at that particular moment.

Should be optional as a turn-off or turn-on, depending on the default chosen by designers. In any case, and as with any other label, players should retain the option of not seeing it, if it spoils their fun or ruins their immersion somehow.

The reason for this request: drastically increased amount of questing chains ingame, and the absolutely unhealthy and immersion-breaking amount of mouse-clicking on the same NPCs the game now requires.

Noticing a sign above someone's head is OOC, of course, but clicking a mouse button on someone's model, or getting an aggressive red "…has no quest information for you" line floating in mid-air is equally OOC'ish.
On the other hand, seeing no mark above someone's head would cause neither irritation nor disappointment (while futile mouse-targeting and mouse-clicking, when done repeatedly, invariably produces both of those negative effects).
The marks would also provoke reasonable curiousity about available quests, hopefully enticing new players into doing more of them.

I know this request is somewhat of a long shot, but assuming that the engine is going to be considerably revisited this summer, I decided to submit it anyway.

[Edited for clarity, and also to separate it more from PS#4798. That older one would 'make the game easier' indeed, while what I suggest would only eliminate excessive mouse actions.]

When the GSoC was successful enhancing the tribe code, it could be interesting to create one or two of Kormi which try to avoid approaching players but stay together.

That may require organising a witch hunt / drive hunt as strategy, which may support grouped activities.

With a plenty of crafted and looted weapons and armor around, there is a need for some basic identification service running by NPC (e.g. Levrus).

To make a ground for an business and relations between real players, NPC identification service should be:

1) expensive
2) less than 100% successful (how about 75%?)
3) limited by item quality / price

The way it works now:

If I want to purchase a weapon that is better than those offered by NPCs (Trasok, Harnquist, etc) I must find someone who is capable of crafting the item I am looking for, which can be IC, but also find out when they are going to be online, which is OOC. I have spent more hours than I can count trying to find crafted items for sale in Hydlaa and Akkaio. It can be great for RP to have players sitting around doing nothing but selling their wares, but players are going to want to do something other than sit the entire time they are in-game, and there are not enough players to be available 24/7 or even a regular in-game 8-5.

The way it should work:

A specialized NPC character (class of characters) should be introduced that can do two things:

1. Hold items for sale.
2. Sell items that are held at a price specified by the original seller.

Desired Implementation example:

1. Crafter makes item and goes to merchant.
2. Crafter sets a price for item to be sold and removes it from his inventory.

 a. this could be done via a specialized trade window/action button.
 b. a seller should be able to remove an item that has not been sold (for a fee).
 c. the seller should be able to change the asking price (for a fee).

3. The item then becomes available for sale to other players to purchase.

 a. a action button and dialog would need to be created to search the merchants inventory.
 b. the items listed should allow a description to be viewed (similar to current buy/sell dialog.
 c. when an item is purchased it is removed from the merchants inventory.

4. The money would be taken from the buyer and either

 1. placed on the merchant to be claimed by the seller any time after the item was sold (minus commission)
 or
 2. placed in a bank account (minus commission)

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Design consideration should be made for if each NPC merchant is self-contained, or if the NPC merchants know about the inventory of other merchants and can offer those items for sale (for a additional delivery fee)
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Justifications:

1. Players are not available 24/7.
2. All characters should not be crafters (not realistic for RP)
3. Economy would be much more realistic and less OOC as items would not be as difficult to buy/sell.
4. RP is not lost as a crafter can still sell their wares (with no fees) if they sell direct.

Steps to reproduce:

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When i open dialouge with NPC I get the speech option to hand in the 3 plat steel maces of high quality.

I get no information in the NPC chat box on the left.
I do get an error message in the Standard Chat box

You have too few plat steel mace.

I have tried a stack of 3 , 3 single maces
and I have tried manually giving 3 plat steel maces.

All attempts have failed to complete the quest

when you kill merceneries some seems to stand up and dont despawn from some times so the new respawn stand into the standing corpse.
on attack the corpse is shown with some health so when they moce the bodies you switch kinda targets whatever model you target.
Also it can happen that on respawn the merc. will get invisible.

The four Onyx Dagger members who share the hall with two Grendols do not respawn once killed.

My drifter just ate a stack of Terevan Wine Bottles that I planned to temporarily put on the ground in order to mount.

This seems inappropriate (not to mention a costly habit)!

Since NPCs move, Narwin visits Ervin Fromaad and must pass Grimal on his way. So it doesn't make much sense anymore that he can't visit him in person and request the token himself.

It would be useful to have some knowledge areas accessible through the drop down dialog system, perhaps behind a chooser toggle "quest/knowledge area"
The dialog could default to quest dialog always opening the list window with the no-quest error in place of the list if there is no relevant quest dialog and a button for showing the KAs. This way the useful information the npcs have is not lost unless you know exactly what to ask them.

I would like to see npc’s function as locators for quest characters so that players can “ask around town” if they cannot locate the desired npc.

until now due to the gm’s policy about spoilers and the fact that most NPC’s are pretty much brain dead except for a few very basic responses it is sometimes next to impossible to locate a specific NPC without relying on another player or a wiki website as the information is not available ingame.

essentially I want NPC’s to respond to commands such as “do you know where I can find ‘name’” they should be able to check a database of nearby NPS’s and if they are in range they can point you in the direction or if not in range point you towards an NPC that does.

sample response. “yes i have heard of this ‘name’ you can find him over by “description of location pulled from database”.

sample responce out of range.

“I have not heard that name before perhaps you should try asking ‘NPC near desired character’ in ‘city near desired NPC’

but essentially make NPC’s able to give directions or information about other NPC’s or directions to nearby areas

right now it is nearly impossible to get any information about quests without relying on other players. Npc’s should respond to questions of this nature.

The first time a character does With a Way Levrus asks what thier favourite way is then there is an option of “Sure, you already told me about Circles” which Levrus does not recognise.

In the NPC dialogs, there are several instances of modern-day abbreviations like "OK", "info" or "wow" (may be acceptable) being used. For example, in Fruntar's "Schaeminare soap" quest you can respond with "OK, where do I get this soap." (should be a question mark there, too). Also, in "A wife's dilemma", you can say to Tilavi "Ok, what kind of deal?". Maybe one could run a database search for "OK", "Ok", etc. on the NPC/quest responses to find all occurences?

Quest: Kilas wants his abacus back

[NPC] Kilas Tungse says: Do you think you can help me with a quick errand?
[NPC] $player says: I love to learn!
[NPC] Kilas Tungse says: Thanks.
[NPC] Kilas Tungse says: I lent my abacus to Crosh Dunehammer, the guardian of the dungeons.

vs.

[NPC] $player says: about dungeon
[NPC] Kilas Tungse says: What dungeon? Are you sure you heard right? If there was a dungeon anywhere nearby, I'm sure the city would've had it sealed off by now.

This "There is no dungeon" conspiracy makes consistent quests hard where inhabitants of the dungeon are involved.

If you ask him a question he doesn’t know how to respond to he uses the default verbal answers.

Sometimes when I’m attacking NPCs with a spell, I’ll see the following messages:

“I failed to move, will teleport in 5 sec.” “I was teleported here, waiting 5 sec.” “now I located the spawn point.”

I’ve had this happen with rogues in Ojaveda and in the Sewers where there don’t appear to be any obstacles to their movement.

It’s really annoying to have to go track down the NPC to finish it off.

Cutthroats on Oja Road 2 pathing seems problematic. They do not attack back when attacked and repeatedly teleport to this location even while standing here and do not appear to be able to move from this location: ojaroad2 469297.69 -333307.041 5554.62

in ojaroad 2 i decided to check the cave and on going into it i found part way to the left in the cave a velnishi tail movinf with the rest of it within the wall.

coords are ojaroadcave01 /pos -356053.56 279411.28 6022.86

the tail actually comes out and back into the wall.

serpent gobbles are supposed to patrole the river irfon on both banks with a sleeping area and fishing area close to /pos 400650.50 -327828.62 7508.37. at present they simply stay in one place unless you attack them. they then move and attack back. in legacy, they would attack regardless of your strength against them.

tavern de kadel has 3 npc’s stuck in the doorway to the kitchen, on the inside. pathing needs adapting so they leave to go where they are supposed to be

/pos 188805.91 -322772.31 13170.30

these two npcs need to be separated a bit outside their house at 1 AM

In the server list, you could have another “server” that’s really stored on the local machine. In this server, it starts the player in a pit with a bunch of NPCs casting spells over and over. Maybe 5 NPCs repeatedly casting magic light, and 20 casting random spells. The pit should be a “worst realistic case” scenario so that players can tinker with graphical settings in there.

after you'd exhausted to move while riding, and you've unmounted and dismissed your pet, you can't move until client restart.

How to reproduce:
1. mount your pet
2. ride on it while you exhausted to move
3. run shortcut:

/unmount
/pet ID, dismiss

4. you see your physical stamina is full and you can't sit or move anywhere.

PS: if you is not exhausted to move, this bug not occurs.

How to reproduce:
do something which require much physical stamina: move many stuff in your bag, do something at anvil or something another.
and then run following commands:
/sit
/unmount
/target <PET NAME>
/mount ←– here your physical stamina will be full!!!
/stand

It would be cool to have a new option for the /pet command to loot selected targets

i.e.: /pet Bob, loot

Could be very useful for an archer. Just like a dog for real hunters.