Originally posted by Fanomatic2000

[1]I find these posts rather offensive. Who the hell do you think you are? You can\'t just come in here and tell people what is stupid or not.

[2]Then perhaps you should write to the developers and ask them nicely to change the whole concept. I\'m sure they will listen. Have you been on the homepage? Have you played the client? If not I suggest you do it before you come with your comments.

I have a better idea.
We continue playing this game as it was meant to be played from the beginning and you continue your search for the ultimate free hack n\' slash experience.

In response to the first point:
I am a person, just as I assume you are, and I am defending my position on MMORPGs. I think you need to settle down a bit and realize that people will disagree with you, please learn to defend a stance without getting flustered when someone doesn\'t agree with you.

And in response to the second point:
Yes I\'ve been to the site, yes I\'ve played both versions of the alpha (although I don\'t see how this has anything to do with this since you can\'t really do anything in the alpha except walk around and collect crystals). This is how the game is described on the official site:

# A Role Playing Game!
# 12 races with unique traits for the creation of your character
# Unlimited professions through skill system [I equate profession and class to mean to same thing]
# Original magic system with six Ways of magic
# Hundreds of spells!
# Huge world to explore
# Great number of quests to test your wit and skill
# Monsters and NPCs with good AI to produce events in the game
# A world that evolves also without player interaction
# Create your house or castle
# Politics and economy

No where do I see that this game will be exclusively roleplay; it has elements of roleplay, yes, but it\'s not described as a solely roleplay environment. So what you are now saying is that I should go away from a game that is very similar in content as to what I desire because I am wrong?

Also I feel the need to clarify how I use the term \"Hack n slash\". I am not using it as a synonym to \"Watch thousands of monsters rush at me as I kill them all single handedly en masse`\". My usage of \"Hack n Slash\" is to describe that I desire high end, strategicly based encounters, that require the use of a great force of people to accomplish.

Originally posted by Sakiro A.
Ok, who is this mysterious person #2? Because, honestly, I don\'t see him. You\'re the only one who has argued that MMORPGs should only be hack\'n\'slash. And you\'re being a complete hypocrate pointing that out after you, yourself, originally said that most of the community doesn\'t want this game to be that way, while you are the only one who\'s argued your point throughout this entire thread. Granted, one or two passively mentioned they\'d go the hack\'n\'slash way, but that doesn\'t at all mean they agree that the game should be limited to it.

Also, assuming people\'s opinions based on the fact that the majority of MMORPGs haven\'t nearly matured enough to have these features is entirely prejudice, and factoring this into any kind of equation is just a struggling reason to support your hypothesis. The reason why people play those games is because that\'s all that exists right now, and the reason why that\'s all that exists is because people like you aren\'t letting MMORPGs expand due to your own stereotypes on the genre.

person #2:

Originally posted by kyp14
I am gonna be a explorer and have the fighting skills of a warrior so i can see even the most dangerous places of the PS world

Also the trend of how modern games go speaks for my side of the arguement alot stronger that 6 people does for yours. Also, read my other post, I never said there shouldn\'t be other elements; it\'s just that those elements shouldn\'t be the focus.

Also how am I stereotyping a genre? The only MMORPG I have heard that was going to be the whole live in a fake world deal was Horizons, and if I recall it\'s development fell through pretty quick.

Now let\'s imagine a completely immersive life-like game does come around, you would end up with conversations like this:
Person 1: Hey man you gotta come check out this new game I found, it\'s great!!
Person 2: Oh yeah? What can you do in it?
Person 1: You know, go to a tavern, drink ale, meet people, and meet some girls dude!
Person 2: Ok, so why don\'t we just go downtown to a bar and do that in person
Person 1: But this is a game! Isn\'t it awesome??
Person 2: How is getting drunk in a game and meeting people better than really getting drunk and meeting people?
Person 1: Shut up, you just don\'t understand my vision!

Games are supposed to be an escape from life, just like movies. When you watch a movie you watch an amazing story unfold that usually couldn\'t happen to you, and maybe even imagine yourself in a movie. In a game you can do things you can\'t normally do like kill, explore, etc.. Why focus a game on things everyone can do in person, eventually it just gets mundane.

Originally posted by TheGeneral
OMG OMG OMG!
The ancient evil does sturr, what has it been, months, years, centuries? No matter. I can?t really remember half the stuff I wrote, since the bloody thing restarted. So, Cthulu, still corrupting little kids, and taking money from old people? I wonder who will be next? Maybe we will get a Whitti sighting? Maybe, just maybe??nah??I have not seen a meket in this part of the woods for a long time. Alucard once again moving out.
Laterz.

Well you see, I had just logged off from the PS forums and was spray painting my room a blinding shade of yellow, when I just plain went into an aerosol induced coma. Well needless to say I\'m all better now and my grammar wasn\'t not not hurt no bit dag gummit.

Ok, I think throughout this debate my position has been skewed a bit, so I will plain spell it out.
Roleplaying is not bad, neither is doing tradeskills, but I most definitely think that RPing and Tradeskills should not be the focus of any game.  Let\'s use EQ as an example. I played EQ from beta up until a few months ago. When I started playing I did the whole RP route, as did many, but the simple fact was that RPing just gets plain boring. This is why EQ graduated from RP to raid/loot, not because of some mystical force that made the game inherently an evil shadow of it\'s former self.  Also doing the RP/tradeskill route, you basicly say that the people who spent hours designing the other Hack n slash-esque content, which makes up a large majority of the game, were morons and essentially wasted their time.

An RPG should be primarily focused on the Hack \'n Slash area, but it should not be that exclusively, by no means.  There should be room for side stuff, but that side stuff shouldn\'t be the focus, it should be meant as a repreive from Hacking and Slashing.

What real purpose does a wanted poster system serve? If you even implement features like PC stealing and free range PVP, then why put consequences on people who use them. It\'s like you\'re punishing players for using the attack feature in a game. Also what you end up with is a sect of system abusers and perpetual thieves, and a group of high and mighty vigilantes, the cycle just continues and grows and then the game turns into nothing but irresponsible PKing from both parties.

Define evil, and define guild, also I\'m unclear as to the definition of \"is\"

Sup? You still accepting the only good player in PS? Or people that have a yellow fetish?  

\"The next generation\" sounds pretty stupid. If you need a game in order to do things that you are capable of doing in person, then you are terribley crippled, and play games for all the wrong reasons.  Games are meant to be entertaining, they aren\'t supposed to present you with all the monotony of existence in digital form. While I would agree with people that a total simulation of acctual life in a video game would be neat, that impression would last for about 30 seconds, at which point I would suddenly realise that I am playing a game that serves all the function of living, only I don\'t acctually get to live, just watch my character live. Also, MMORPGs have a plot, atleat if they are made right, similar to that of a console or single player RPG, except that that plot is alot larger and nonlinear (i.e. you don\'t have to complete certain tasks in a certain order)