Hack and slash or Living

[Sakiro A.]

Originally posted by Cthulu Also my reason for defending my point is that this thread was rather full of people praising the idea of a virtual reality reality, and I wanted to make it clear that no where near everyone desires games to be this way.

Then I suppose it\'s just coincidence that the vast majority of people who replied to this thread agreed to it.

[Cthulu]

Well, it really isn\'t logical to use this thread to try and gather what the community desires, lets look at the numbers:
Number of people who have posted in this thread:10
Number of people who desire a life-like experience:6
Number of people who desire hack \'n slash/exploration/loot : 2
Number of undecided: 2

Registered Members: 2462

so ~.25% of the registered community has posted in this thread, which is not enough people to base a majority off of. But if you did make that assumption, and the assumption that Planeshift will differentiate from the path of every MMORPG that has come before, that would still mean that 20% want hack \'n slash/exploration/loot, which I would define as a significant opposition to the majority of 60%.

[Sakiro A.]

Ok, who is this mysterious person #2? Because, honestly, I don\'t see him. You\'re the only one who has argued that MMORPGs should only be hack\'n\'slash. And you\'re being a complete hypocrate pointing that out after you, yourself, originally said that most of the community doesn\'t want this game to be that way, while you are the only one who\'s argued your point throughout this entire thread. Granted, one or two passively mentioned they\'d go the hack\'n\'slash way, but that doesn\'t at all mean they agree that the game should be limited to it.

Also, assuming people\'s opinions based on the fact that the majority of MMORPGs haven\'t nearly matured enough to have these features is entirely prejudice, and factoring this into any kind of equation is just a struggling reason to support your hypothesis. The reason why people play those games is because that\'s all that exists right now, and the reason why that\'s all that exists is because people like you aren\'t letting MMORPGs expand due to your own stereotypes on the genre.

[Cthulu]

Originally posted by Sakiro A.
Ok, who is this mysterious person #2? Because, honestly, I don\'t see him. You\'re the only one who has argued that MMORPGs should only be hack\'n\'slash. And you\'re being a complete hypocrate pointing that out after you, yourself, originally said that most of the community doesn\'t want this game to be that way, while you are the only one who\'s argued your point throughout this entire thread. Granted, one or two passively mentioned they\'d go the hack\'n\'slash way, but that doesn\'t at all mean they agree that the game should be limited to it.

Also, assuming people\'s opinions based on the fact that the majority of MMORPGs haven\'t nearly matured enough to have these features is entirely prejudice, and factoring this into any kind of equation is just a struggling reason to support your hypothesis. The reason why people play those games is because that\'s all that exists right now, and the reason why that\'s all that exists is because people like you aren\'t letting MMORPGs expand due to your own stereotypes on the genre.

person #2:

Originally posted by kyp14
I am gonna be a explorer and have the fighting skills of a warrior so i can see even the most dangerous places of the PS world

Also the trend of how modern games go speaks for my side of the arguement alot stronger that 6 people does for yours. Also, read my other post, I never said there shouldn\'t be other elements; it\'s just that those elements shouldn\'t be the focus.

Also how am I stereotyping a genre? The only MMORPG I have heard that was going to be the whole live in a fake world deal was Horizons, and if I recall it\'s development fell through pretty quick.

Now let\'s imagine a completely immersive life-like game does come around, you would end up with conversations like this:
Person 1: Hey man you gotta come check out this new game I found, it\'s great!!
Person 2: Oh yeah? What can you do in it?
Person 1: You know, go to a tavern, drink ale, meet people, and meet some girls dude!
Person 2: Ok, so why don\'t we just go downtown to a bar and do that in person
Person 1: But this is a game! Isn\'t it awesome??
Person 2: How is getting drunk in a game and meeting people better than really getting drunk and meeting people?
Person 1: Shut up, you just don\'t understand my vision!

Games are supposed to be an escape from life, just like movies. When you watch a movie you watch an amazing story unfold that usually couldn\'t happen to you, and maybe even imagine yourself in a movie. In a game you can do things you can\'t normally do like kill, explore, etc.. Why focus a game on things everyone can do in person, eventually it just gets mundane.

[Mehallie]

FYI, Horizons is in beta testing and is coming out in fall.  It is also one of the most highly anticipated games this year.  Note that there are other games in the next generation that are doing the same; Ryzom, EQ2 (the game they wanted to make in the first place), Dragon Empires, and the list goes on with each day.  Games are steering away from monotonous ever-camping and trying to make a more integrated, interactive game.

I find your labelling of roleplayers becoming more and more offensive as you go on, so this will be my last post.

I repeat: if you don\'t like roleplay, find another game.

I repeat: not all \"roleplayers\" are 14 year olds looking for cyber.  I\'m an expectant mother with a husband working for IBM.  We are therefore not all losers without lives who are unsuccessful in the real world, as you seem to keep implying - and the people I roleplay with for the most part are also very active in society, having jobs, children, homes, etc.  We don\'t say \"dude\", we don\'t just get drunk and cruise for chicks.  It\'s a hell of a lot more thought out than that.  In real life, I do not go around wearing a sword and a cape and I wouldn\'t commit suicide if my character died.  Merely because I enjoy taking on a role, like an actress, doesn\'t mean I am in some way mentally imbalanced.  Are there people who take it too seriously?  Yes, but a few bad examples doesn\'t mean a majority.

I repeat: not only this thread, but various roleplaying threads throughout this site will show you that the majority of people waiting for this game are roleplayers and though there have been people who came along saying that rp was \"stupid\" the resounding reply has ALWAYS been \"then why play an rpg?\"
 
Slinging out pseudo-statistical factiods won\'t back your case.  It\'s very simple.  This is what a rpg is.  If you have only made acquaintance with people on the cruise for an online girlfriend, you haven\'t met a real roleplayer.  Before you label the whole as a bunch of no-lifers, my suggestion is you meet a few - if you can manage not to offend them with blanket statements.

In conclusion: find another genre that isn\'t a rpg.  There are MMOG\'s out there that don\'t have a trace of roleplay in them, and those would suit you better.  Merely finding a different genre is much more expedient that coming in on a thread solely to be the voice of dissention.  I certainly wouldn\'t go onto a forum for first-person-shooters and tell them they were morons for playing and enjoying a certain game-style.  That\'s not a \"debate\", that\'s just inflammatory.

[Fanomatic2000]

Cthulu, then perhaps you could explain why UO became one of the most famous MMORPGs ever.
You simply refuse to understand what this game is all about. If you love hack n\' slash so much, why don\'t you just play another MMORPG? There is a lot of other games out there which only includes hack n\' slash.  
The devs won\'t change the whole game just because you say so, and the fact that you are insulting people just proves how pathetic you are.

BTW. Have you even read the older threads? If you did you had discovered that the majority of the people in here IS roleplayers.

EDIT: Looks like Mehallie were faster than me    

[Cthulu]

Once again, Roleplaying is not a bad thing, but it shouldn\'t be the absolute focus of a game. I\'ve said that probably 5 times but you people seem not to pick up on it. Also I find it pretty pre-emptive of you to assume how Planeshift will end up being that it is still in very early stages of development. Also I wasn\'t making fun of anyone, I\'m not sure where you\'re pulling that from. And if all encompassing, realistic roleplaying is what you\'re after, why not join a LARP group? Then you would be RPing with people, and not pixels.

[Fanomatic2000]

And it isn\'t even keeping with the tradition of RPGs to have some sort of silly online home life.

I\'m not clear on what you\'re saying immersion is. I\'m all for exploring areas and doing quests and the like, that kind of stuff is quite interesting. what I\'m disagreeing with is the fact that people want a game to pretty much mimic real life, which is pretty stupid.

I find these posts rather offensive. Who the hell do you think you are? You can\'t just come in here and tell people what is stupid or not.

Once again, Roleplaying is not a bad thing, but it shouldn\'t be the absolute focus of a game.

No, but neither should hack n\' slash. It\'s about finding a balance between both.

Also I find it pretty pre-emptive of you to assume how Planeshift will end up being that it is still in very early stages of development.

 
Then perhaps you should write to the developers and ask them nicely to change the whole concept. I\'m sure they will listen. Have you been on the homepage? Have you played the client? If not I suggest you do it before you come with your comments.

And if all encompassing, realistic roleplaying is what you\'re after, why not join a LARP group? Then you would be RPing with people, and not pixels.

I have a better idea.
We continue playing this game as it was meant to be played from the beginning and you continue your search for the ultimate free hack n\' slash experience.

Suggest you play Tibia.

http://www.tibia.com

[Cthulu]

Originally posted by Fanomatic2000

[1]I find these posts rather offensive. Who the hell do you think you are? You can\'t just come in here and tell people what is stupid or not.

[2]Then perhaps you should write to the developers and ask them nicely to change the whole concept. I\'m sure they will listen. Have you been on the homepage? Have you played the client? If not I suggest you do it before you come with your comments.

I have a better idea.
We continue playing this game as it was meant to be played from the beginning and you continue your search for the ultimate free hack n\' slash experience.

In response to the first point:
I am a person, just as I assume you are, and I am defending my position on MMORPGs. I think you need to settle down a bit and realize that people will disagree with you, please learn to defend a stance without getting flustered when someone doesn\'t agree with you.

And in response to the second point:
Yes I\'ve been to the site, yes I\'ve played both versions of the alpha (although I don\'t see how this has anything to do with this since you can\'t really do anything in the alpha except walk around and collect crystals). This is how the game is described on the official site:

# A Role Playing Game!
# 12 races with unique traits for the creation of your character
# Unlimited professions through skill system [I equate profession and class to mean to same thing]
# Original magic system with six Ways of magic
# Hundreds of spells!
# Huge world to explore
# Great number of quests to test your wit and skill
# Monsters and NPCs with good AI to produce events in the game
# A world that evolves also without player interaction
# Create your house or castle
# Politics and economy

No where do I see that this game will be exclusively roleplay; it has elements of roleplay, yes, but it\'s not described as a solely roleplay environment. So what you are now saying is that I should go away from a game that is very similar in content as to what I desire because I am wrong?

Also I feel the need to clarify how I use the term \"Hack n slash\". I am not using it as a synonym to \"Watch thousands of monsters rush at me as I kill them all single handedly en masse`\". My usage of \"Hack n Slash\" is to describe that I desire high end, strategicly based encounters, that require the use of a great force of people to accomplish.

[Vengeance]

Here, here, Mehallie!

The developers are in full agreement with you.

- Venge

[druke]

I equate profession and class to mean to same thing

someone needs to pick up a dictionary........








god i love this thread

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Vengeance
Here, here, Mehallie!

The developers are in full agreement with you.

- Venge

I think you picked a good time to step in, Venge, what a kick in the tooth for poor ol\' Cthulu!

Still, the discussion has been very interesting and good points were brought up by both sides. I\'d say that everyone successfully got their viewpoint across and were understood by their concise, well-written posts. We all know the aim and visions of the developers and what kind of game they plan to make. Unfortunately for Cthulu, it just doesn\'t look like hack n\' slash will be a main point of the game, rather a delicate balance created between all styles of play.

Here\'s wishing good luck to the devs and hoping that our dreams for PS do eventually come true. *raises glass* Cheers!

[Emiere]

Its just my opinion, but the entire purpose of an MMORPG is to do things other than hack and slash. The whole reason its massive and online is so that you do social things... and most people dont talk while hacking and slashing. Crafting classes, like in most MMORPGs bring a personal touch to the world and encourage social interaction amoung players.

Now someone feel free to beat me with a stick and tell me I\'m talking about something far far off the subject.

[druke]

*cheers*

[geddy]

i also want to make a living but i do like to explore and fight but making armour or clothing or even weapons i like  and i hear that the new patch with fighting and monsters is coming out this christmas