PlaneShift
Gameplay => In-Game Roleplay Events => Topic started by: Kanorie Lyanuw on August 30, 2013, 01:48:15 pm
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[DISCLAIMER: I do not condone acts of terrorism in real life, nor do I pretend to poke fun at them with this RP. I live in a country where terrorism has been active for over 50 years, and is currently threatened by Islamic terrorism. Please, don't bash on this event for that reason.]
Trembling paws held the small pliers firmly as a small fuse was diposited within a phial ful of some kind of oily liquid. Crude shards of sharp, twisted metal surrounded a dark granulous material, which was protected by an orb of black glass. On the darkened, mouldy table, a few more artifacts, some wrapped in oily linen, some disguised as a mail package, rested beside the item the fenki worked on.
She carefully stuffed the opening in the explosive device with a handful of rivnak fur, gently pulling the fuse through it before she wrapped the orb in a grey cloth, painted especially to be disguised as a chunk of wall or a rock.
The sewers were especially cold that night, but not as smelly, thankfully. The end of the warm season was nearing, and the heat that once made the dirt rot and smell was now gone. Holding tightly onto her bag full of danger, the fenki skimmed about the tall corridors, dodging an arangma here and disappearing from the sight of a rogue there.
The darkness engulfed Hydlaa, only breaking in the occasional spots here and there by some oil lamp burning, and of course around Kada-El's. She hid behind the barrels against the building's wall, waiting until the two Enkidukai in charge of the Hydlaa Guard in the Upper District stopped chatting and went on patrol.
Skipping from roof to roof until she got to the walls, she quickly ran across them, reaching the gates leading to East Hydlaa and quietly observing the Grotemeys' shop. Seeing as they were probably off for the day, and that no guard was around, she let herself slide down the wall behind the tent and quickly darted through the passage.
The area around the library was deserted. A light coming from one of the windows in the building meant either Jayose or Arion were, again, pulling an all-nighter. Luckily enough, she knew better, and stuck her body to the wall surrounding the library. Past the Order of Light guildhouse, around Ad Libertatem, and there she was. She licked her lips before giving a wide grin, gently tapping the bag full of explosives and malicious artifacts. As she placed them against walls, strapped under tables and hidden underneath benches, only one thought went through her head.
"Whisper bless, overlings. Whisper bless."
[OOC Notice: The artifacts used will be books acting as props, with a somewhat detailed description of them. Not all of them will be exclusively explosive devices (included but not limited to): different effects will be described by the in game books, left before the festival. Please, do not bash on my game character when she drops the books: it is merely an OOC move to illustrate the effects better.]
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Wow, this looks like an awesome start! Good Luck!
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[OOC remarks here since there's nowhere else on the forums to put them that's logical.
1) Basing an event around planted items and then OOCly dissuading people from interacting with them is railroadish. That is my main problem with the way the event was RPed.
2) Planted props are good. Well hidden planted props are better (although there are some meta issues with hiding items in the mechanics). However, the one under the stall next to the entrance from Hydlaa, well, could have provided a point of contact, or some sort of IC presence for that matter? I had no clue how to RP with such a thing.
3) Making an event organizer OOCly think you're not going to derail the RP and then derailing it might not be such a great idea. It may have been better had it not been raised in gossip at all! (Either that, or a more persistent notification. A single post in gossip isn't going to help much as we aren't online 24/7!)
4) This is a mild nitpick, but if you want to say someone of low skill can't do something, be more specific. Terms such as "low" and "high" are relative to one's own skills, and to the global meta as well. Using either a threshold level, or a mention of Circle ranks, would be much appreciated.
5) As Danow mentioned, the timing was very disruptive to Ierefal. Timing it for near the end of the event would have been both much more apropos and much better for effect/drama. As it was, other people had almost no time to RP with it!
Otherwise, not *terrible*, and not a total troll either.]
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Well, I personally liked this concept and makes a change to the usual quite relaxed plotlines! But then I'd like to have attended Ierefal as haven't before.
Sucks I wasn't around for it.
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Why someone would want to play the Boston Bombings on their day off was beyond my understanding. The first blast had me thinking that at least those affected had agreed to be so. After the second blast it was ctrl-Q for me. The forceful nature of the rp (godmodding?) seemed beyond the pale. What a great way to ruin a potentially great event. Guess it will take a trip to the library to learn the lore that took me there in the first place. Hope no one blows up Roled's event.
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For me there is no much to say. I left the event as soon as I saw that the festival was ruined (but i roleplayed your bombs with honesty). This has been not respectful and Kaerli has raised some of the main motivations. PS is made of many people; doing RP here does not mean: "I do what I want". You have to respect the RP of the others and INTERACT, not DESTROY. There are no excuses for that behaviour, for me, the only excuse would be if you are really really young (and I hope it is true, otherwise...). Do you realize how many people worked so hard for weeks? Anyway, I must say it left me really sad, and I was not the only one to feel that sadness. The event is rescheduled but it will not be the same. A last thing: i'm gonna totally ignore this RP in the newspaper; i hope this regrettable act will be soon be forgotten.
Edit: I would change the title of this thread to "forgettable". :'(
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My opinion:
It 'could' have been a good and creative way to encourage RP and improve the event. But it wasn't due to how it was handled.
1 - This should have been coordinated by checking either with the players behind the event or with the GM team.
2 - Should have let the people who had planned things get to do what they planned first. Then maybe have blown things up around the time the event would have wound down naturally otherwise.
3 - Labeling your IC explosives as OOC was... I don't even know what to call that. It's practically denying people a means to even try and RP avoidance of the situation.
4 - From what I heard, people became aware of events and you decided to go AFK instead of responding to them to give them an IC chance to lower the impact of what happened. Now fair enough, we all need to go AFK from time to time, but hijacking such a big event and then dong that in a manner that prevents people from RPing against your intentions, and then also making comments in gossip that you couldn't be bothered to write the books better, when on the other hand we have people who spent weeks in preparation... This just feels disrespectful. Seems like you used other people's effort and work to launch some spur of the moment idea without any real thought.
5 - If you want to use an event like this that other people set up and then try to make yourself the centre of attention, when people offer constructive criticism, try and be a bit more positive about how you react to it.
This really could have been good, if you'd handled it differently.
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I actually had this idea when I first saw the Ierefal thread.
Only reasons I didn't go through with it were this being my first week of school and the recency of the Boston Marathon attack. I would have coordinated with the Ierefal event planners, though, and I assumed Kanorie did that. I'm surprised she did not.
I want to remind other players that if you don't like the way a roleplay is going, just say so. And if you're the event-planner and something happens that you don't wish to, stop whatever is happening from actually happening. People will go along with mass retcons.
I've seen this same thing happen so many times. But it's always been dealt with immediately. Complaining about it after the fact is not helpful.
Also, to Kanorie. If you're going to be AFK before conducting an event, just don't conduct the event. I know this is a game, but when you put that much effort into it, you can't take a break to eat. Grab your food, take it to your desk, and don't leave unless you have to pee. You have an obligation, so fulfill it.
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@Volki: I did take the food to my desk to eat, and I was eating through the event, silly.
@Novacadian: Also, I didn't know about the Boston bombings or it being the day off or whatever. You do know not everyone lives in the United States and can know about EVERYTHING happening there, or when it's their anniversaries, right? And your post is so filled with butthurt, it gave me a rash. Accusing people of godmodding is so childish, it sparkled my maternal instincts. When you have a better remark to make, I'll reply like an actual adult.
@Taya: The IC explosives veren't labelled OOCly. They were labelled as "Do not touch!" so newbies wouldn't take them. I did go afk BEFORE the event started to make food, and brought it to my desk to eat it. I got mixed messages about this event, but the ones saying it was, while badly organised, well done, is far superior to the messages putting it down. I only care about the former, especially when they bring constructive criticism. Also, I tried to apologize to the organizers, got no reply. May they consider themselves "apologized".
@Raikana: You carebears getting up on my nerves :P But pretending a retcon on your side will make many players ask about why you didn't even mention it in your papers. While you're at it, if you're going to ignore all kind of events like this, why not just go ahead and stop writing?
PS: I'm not changing the thread's title.
@Kaerli: I did disuade you because I couldn't attend to your questions at that time and you were free to poke me again the moment you had seen me back. You didn't, and I didn't PM you. I did apologize in gossip about it. I did react nicely to the constructive criticism, but I couldn't tolerate the "whine whine whine" I was hearing from some people. Also, thanks to Cormah, Rheos, LigH and most likely some others who helped make it and joined in on the RP.
Those who didn't, while I know their names, won't be posted out of respect. I also promise the following Ierefal events won't be disturbed on my side, and beckon anyone thinking about it to hold it for some other event, and discuss it with the organizers beforehand. Thanks.
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You know, one solution to all of this is simply to create a festival type event where the actual focus is the story that interrupts the festival. I mean use the festival as just an IC excuse for the characters being in the same place but OOCly everyone understands from the beginning that they are putting their characters there to RP the "incident."
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It seems to me like this whole rp was centered around one person, when people have tried to make comments against the action, giving reasonable descriptions, they have been met with frankly rude posts and comments with poor taste. I must congratulate the organisers of the Ierefal festival for remaining so dignified and not reacting to these provactive statements. I would like to make clear although I did roleplay the bombing event I do not approve of how it was enacted or how players were given no chance to prevent its occurence.
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I left as soon as the bombing started, thinking that it was a self-centered act of a troll or something. I find it hard to understand why such an "add on" wouldn't be announced in advance to the organizers, if the purpose wasn't just to be in focus and ruin the work of the other players. It seemed like both the organizers and the players running kiosks and so on had put effort in actually preparing for a festival, and not for a bombing. Such a shame, because it seemed like there was a huge amounts of players gathered there when I left.
I might be wrong; it might never have been the intention to ruin anything for anyone. I really hope I am wrong, but it doesn't make it better that it seems that Kanorie only post rude responses to those who actually try to be constructive or just wants to state that they weren't pleased with this happening.
Too bad such a fine event will have to be redone completely. I hope that the interest will be as big when it is redone on the 13th. I have a really good impression of PlaneShift so far, and this is the biggest amount of players I have seen gathered at one time, so I don't hope that things like this happen all the time when people are trying to arrange something.
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Well, this was unforgettable as promised.
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There's two sides to the coin. One one side, there's the event planners and their desire to run an IC event and have an expected outcome. On the other is a player with an evil character who presumably has an IC reason to do such a thing and has a similar desire for success.
Should the evil character refrain from doing what he would normally do based on OOC information?
Should the players running the event have to accept a sub event that undermines/destroys their event and perhaps prospers at their expense?
We play two roles. We make our characters choose what they will do based on IC information as seen from their eyes and on their disposition. We also make choices as players in the OOC world that we exist in. There's a balance between letting your character be themselves and in respecting the feelings of fellow players. This balance is not black and white; it's mostly grey from my experience as the two overlap.
An IC terrorist event is doable in my opinion but only if it is role played properly and fairly. Again, one has to ask, "Is it better for my character to accomplish his goals, or is it better that as a player, I give my fellow players some space to accomplish their goals as I too would want the same from them?"
Better luck next time.
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And this is why hardcore roleplayers shy away from PlaneShift.
I don't like how Kanorie uses the words "butthurt" and "carebear", but that's what some of you are acting like. This is pathetic. I have never seen a roleplaying community behave like this.
Now I'm going to pretend this thread doesn't exist. :sorcerer:
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Even though I wasn't able to be on for the event I somehow knew this add-on would end up in such drama. Many people just want to roleplay the things they have imagined for their characters and react pretty badly to everything that puts them out of schedule. I personally find the fact some people start saying [ooh no, why did you ruin the nice rp like that] more off-putting than the fact someone highjacked the rp. Even if someone had planned a surprise that could result to an interesting situation the moment a bunch of people start complaining about it it all goes to waste.
Why does everyone start talking about how the event was ruined and noone asks what's going to happen now that someone planted bombs in Hydlaa? Am I the only one who expects this story to conclude into something, justifying all the noise it made?
Aside my general opinion on this I wasn't on for this event so I am probably missing some details... still this is definitely not the first time something like that happens and I never get why people prefer to stop and complain for IC events than to simply keep playing.
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I would say if you don't understand why people are more concerned about the event being interrupted than the interrupting RP I'd say that's because you've never run an event like this in game. Organize an event. As in plan, advertise, chase people down to play supporting roles, coordinate with GMs, actually execute the event, and try to keep players entertained. Once you see how much like pulling teeth that is, you'll understand fully I guarantee you. ;)
It's probably less about the event and more about the effort expended.
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I would say if you don't understand why people are more concerned about the event being interrupted than the interrupting RP I'd say that's because you've never run an event like this in game. Organize an event. As in plan, advertise, chase people down to play supporting roles, coordinate with GMs, actually execute the event, and try to keep players entertained. Once you see how much like pulling teeth that is, you'll understand fully I guarantee you. ;)
It's probably less about the event and more about the effort expended.
Exactly. And it would have been possible to RP in such a sideplot without completely throwing the original RP off the rails. That and the apparent lack of OOC concern with organization and preparation are what concern me the most. Last-second ideas don't work when trying to interact with heavily planned events.
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I personally find the fact some people start saying [ooh no, why did you ruin the nice rp like that] more off-putting than the fact someone highjacked the rp.
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I never get why people prefer to stop and complain for IC events than to simply keep playing.
My opinion:
Events, especially player organized events, take RL time, energy, planning, communication, - TIME. This is a volunteer and player 'community'- upending the real world time that people - real people not puppets- put into making something is down and out rude, selfish, and destroys the collaborative community. To me, it is not so much that the rp was 'ruined', but that the selfish attitude of one event- player-terrorist ignores the real time work real people put into the event.
[RR did rp the situation as he came upon it. As it became clear in gossip that the organizers knew nothing of this sabotage, were not consulted, in fact were ignored, and the perpetrator didn't bother to check it out with the organizers, RR withdrew. I don't freaking care if you call me a 'carebear' or some other derogatory term meant to diminish your own sense of guilt, selfishness, and irresponsibility. Whatever.]
Am I going to bother organizing another event, knowing that some player(s) find it acceptable to disregard common courtesy? No way.
RR
My opinion
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Am I going to bother organizing another event, knowing that some player(s) find it acceptable to disregard common courtesy? No way.
And that's the other problem... it also discourages people from putting in extra effort into events which are vital for attracting and holding people's attention on the game... Events bring a bump up in player count. Oh well I suppose.
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On the other is a player with an evil character who presumably has an IC reason to do such a thing and has a similar desire for success.
Should the evil character refrain from doing what he would normally do based on OOC information?
This is just it. There was no evil character planned out. There was no IC motive behind any of it, from my perspective. After the event, Kanorie said something along the lines of "So who wants there to be a criminal for us to blame" in Gossip chat.
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from my perspective
End of discussion.
(Back to pretending this doesn't exist!)
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On the other is a player with an evil character who presumably has an IC reason to do such a thing and has a similar desire for success.
Should the evil character refrain from doing what he would normally do based on OOC information?
This is just it. There was no evil character planned out. There was no IC motive behind any of it, from my perspective. After the event, Kanorie said something along the lines of "So who wants there to be a criminal for us to blame" in Gossip chat.
(17:03:16) [Channel] [1: gossip] Kanorie: Do we want a character to get caught and judged?
To be fair, this can technically come across as a person OOCly asking if there is interest. Kanorie might not have meant it as it sounded. Essentially a sort of, "should I bother to make up the alt that presumably did this." But on the other hand, it also shows that there probably wasn't enough planning for something as wide-scale and destructive as this, and blowing up a festival, leaving no leads, no further plot to follow, and no villain to chase turns what might have been intended as a livening up party into something rather trollish.
I friggin' love intense, explosive, violent role plays. Love em. I think the dark and the ugly brings out some fascinating character aspects. I love spontaneous things that happen! I love thinking on the fly! And I'm not even a person that really prefers low key meeting role plays where lots of people sit around and chatter. That's just me. However.
Is it ever, ever worth it to essentially destroy someone's careful planning and hours of effort without even ATTEMPTING to address them first about it? Most people are willing to co-plan with others, especially with such large-scale role plays, when addressed upon the topic. The fact of the matter is, the main organizers were not addressed, at all. The explosions went off just as the festival was beginning, thus completely null and voiding every single thing that any of them had spent hours planning. Heck, even timing this a little differently, giving it more hours to circulate, a day maybe to blossom, and THEN causing the ruckus, would have been alright. And the attack probably would have even had more impact too!
As I said, there's nothing wrong with violent role play. But repeatedly demeaning people who like more low key events, and effectively brutalizing their entire large-scale planning with zero warning whatsoever, is something to be avoided. Yliakum is to be shared. And while running plots with dastardly villains and intrigue is fantastic, and disrupting certain events (with warning) can make things exceedingly colorful, sometimes people have to step back when the event is as large-scale as this, and think a little about other people. Am I saying ask every time you run around picking pockets or get into a fight? Heck no. Do you need server wide permission to run role plays around your supah evul cthulu necromancer thing from another plane? No, though you might get funny looks. However, asking to simply address a party, especially when it's a large scale planned event with GMs and players collaborating together to make something, before blowing it all sky high, is not asking a lot. That is not whiny. That is called being courteous.
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Most of the people already said things I agree with so there's no need for me to repeat them again. I will only add a point of view from inside the event organization.
We were just going to show up a couple of NPCs, (nothing earth-breaking just a little flavor to spice up the event, because afterall the true stars of the event were you the player's characters not the NPCs) while the first bomb exploded. We could have stepped in and invalidate everything, but we decided to wait and let the people play (of course we haven't been contacted beforehand and we did not know what was going on), then two more bombs exploded and we realized the situation was reaching a point of no return, we tried to bring in more NPCs guards in the zone hoping to restore a feeling of safety but it was too late. At this point it was clear the event was totally driven off.
I just feel sorry for Jilata and all the other players (and GMs) that spent a lot of time IC and OOC to prepare the event itself or prepare their characters to attend at event. I hope you'll be able to attend at the next Ierefal event (13th september).
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@Novacadian: When you have a better remark to make, I'll reply like an actual adult.
The bombing attack was very realistic. So much so that it felt disconcerning. Unnerving even? Those would be feelings/emotions that was the intent of the event? In that regard well done.
It had been almost a month since being on PS and came on for the festival. Had the bombing plot been known to me then it is less likely that my character would have been there. Hard to say for sure.
Would the feelings/emotions experienced have been there had the plot been known to me? Less likely. Therefore my constructive critic would be as Illy had suggested; make a cover event for the real surprise.
When on PS today my character said that after turning towards the first blast the next thing she knew she was in the Death Realm.
It seems to me that it is now a piece of PS history and should make the Journal and perhaps continue the plot even if the original planner does not want to run the bad guy themselves.
All of the comments about better communication with the festival organizers is valid and hopefully a lesson learned; as such a bombing psychopath is very likely to escalate in their actions. :-\
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On the other is a player with an evil character who presumably has an IC reason to do such a thing and has a similar desire for success.
Should the evil character refrain from doing what he would normally do based on OOC information?
This is just it. There was no evil character planned out. There was no IC motive behind any of it, from my perspective. After the event, Kanorie said something along the lines of "So who wants there to be a criminal for us to blame" in Gossip chat.
@Mekora: There's an IC motive. There's an evil character planned out, and actually not only one but many, many more. You don't know half of it.
@Venorel: You're right and I thank you for having reflected on it. I'm sorry your character visited the Death Realm, and there are reasons why the original character won't run the bad guy. For the greater go- evil, sorry. We fear not what we know, but what's hidden from us.
@Mariana: You're right, I still feel bad about not warning Jilata properly beforehand and promised not to do something like that again without it being properly talked through.
EDIT: You should see a plothole here. Don't worry. It's intended as is. There's something going underneath this (more literally than you'd think), so just see the RP's line cut, but it will get tied to another series of hapennings.
@Roled: Welcome to the Internet, where everyone can ruin everyone else's dreams and hopes with just a few words. If it discourages you to stop playing, tough luck. I'm getting a lot of hate (and nobody deny this) but I plan on going on and making your character's lives a little more miserable, so you can rejoice in the fact you've improved them when you catch the "culprits".
I am growing tired of repeating myself over and over, honestly. Might as well pull a Volki and ignore this thread, I don't know.
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End of discussion.
Who are you, again?
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The only voice of reason left.
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I rarely weigh in on these things but decided not to keep my mouth shut this time.
I really love good RP where anything within the game scope can happen, basically as few rules as possible, except for one. The way I interpret RP to best be played, any proposed action that has the potential to significantly effect other characters or events has to leave room for a different outcome than the proposing player might be hoping for.
In this case, the fenki bomber came in, hid all their devices and left. End of story. No RP. No chance for a different outcome.
Why was no one from the event planners contacted and given the opportunity to RP/interact/change the outcome of that very significant moment, either IC or in forum?
It's no different in my view than walking your character up to another and simply telling them you've just taken a big sword and lopped their head off, so now what's anyone who just saw this going to do about it?
In either case, the sword wielder/bomber gave no chance whatsoever for the victim/Ierefal event planners to RP a different outcome to the action set in motion.
If this one basic action/reaction was allowed, the event planners may have just happened to have some character see the bomber planting the devices and have removed all if that's how things worked out through RP. That kind of give and take opportunity, for all involved is what this game is all about.
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Dannae you succinctly stated my thoughts. I agree. I also believe this works in conjunction with Illysia and Roled's points.
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No. Sorry. I have decided everything what could be stated has been stated. I can't/won't reply to any more posts. I have already apologized, learned my mistake, and swore not to repeat it again. If you aren't happy with that, then I guess you're just doing this because you need to vent and don't have a way to do so. But if you weren't there, how do you think you can weigh in? Who has told you an impartial version of the happenings? Did you have an in game cam to observe how it went, or a way to read the private PMs and conversations that went on during the event? This is what pisses me off.
---When the first artifact exploded, I even talked with Jilata's alt. Her alt got hurt. She could've stopped me from exploding any more, I would've claimed a failure of the bombs OOCly, and it would've stopped there. I would have agreed to a mass retcon. I would've deleted this post. But I didn't. This all happened because you chose it to happen.---
If you keep whining about it, I'll have to ask the mods to lock this thread, because everything, good and bad, has been said already. I will ignore and delete any private message I receive regarding this event. I already have enough going on in real life to even care about this anymore.
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When the first artifact exploded, I even talked with Jilata's alt. Her alt got hurt. She could've stopped me from exploding any more, I would've claimed a failure of the bombs OOCly, and it would've stopped there. I would have agreed to a mass retcon. I would've deleted this post. But I didn't. This all happened because you chose it to happen.
Excuse but I hate picking on someone or publicly bashing, and it's not the intent of this post but nonetheless the way you describe this make it seems like Jilata was a contributor of the outcome (even if unwarned beforehand) instead of the "victim". She wasn't. Full stop.
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Who has told you an impartial version of the happenings?
You did in the original post. That is the only part of the entire event I referred to. If there was any RP affecting that portion of your story, then why leave it out?
I have no animosity toward you nor want to vent about anything. On the contrary, I'm glad you're actively playing to create RP opportunities. I'm well aware that there was much that went on during this event that I have no clue about. I did get the impression from other posts, the beginning story, and now your last post that the first chance for others to alter events was after the initial explosion. If this is a wrong conclusion on my part, it still does not invalidate the point I wanted to make.
My reason for posting at all is simply to give my own opinion regardless of how many others have also and suggest for future similar situations the value of RPing all significant moments.
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So now that a very public disorder has occurred that can be blamed on the cult that may not be named can we expect that the largely corrupt octarchy will impose martial law and hand out perma-death sentences willy-nilly to any characters they dislike for whatever reason?
Wouldn't that be a logical thing to expect? This was no Vileneck patsy getting away with his life while the even less fleshed out perps got the true death. Someone must be made to pay! (hope it is not me, I was on vacation at the bottom of the deep blue sea)
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@Eonwind, exactly what you're doing is what's keeping people from moving on.
Is RP, treat it like RP. (It's not serious!)
@bilbous, I doubt the Octarchy is going to feel threatened by a little explosion. ;)
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@Eonwind, exactly what you're doing is what's keeping people from moving on.
sure, people like you.
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...lel
Way to propagate the growing stereotype of a toxic community.