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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Easton on March 15, 2006, 03:21:45 am
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For a tiny bit more indepth history, check out \"the Story of Easton Ghent\" in the roleplay forum.
Survivors of Berne
History
One day in a city about a two-day walk from Hydlaa, lives were obliterated. The once happy inhabitants of a fair city were screaming for their lives among flames and smoke. A city that had existed for ages and countless generations was destroyed in one act of savage destruction. This is the story of the City of Berne.
Berne was founded by Ylian settlers in a time that predates written history. It was here, just outside of Hydlaa, that a group of Ylian settlers enjoyed a modest lifestyle for generations. One day, a clan of Stonebreakers called the Gitny Clan entered Berne with a request. The Gitny had been evicted out of their underground home and forced to flee because of a radical group of Kran who wished to use the Gitny\'s mineral-rich rocks for food. These Kran called themselves the Moroc. The Gitny could not fight the Moroc, and so they fled. The Gitny requested that they be able to settle in the city of Berne along with the Ylian. The Berne Council agreed to this, and both clans lived in harmony for the generations to come.
The two Clans eventually interbred. Their cultures meshed and they began to share beliefs. The Gitny showed the Ylian how to mine and to forge weapons, while the Ylian taught the Gitny farming and battle tactics. It is fair to say that both sides found benefits in settling together. As the centuries passed, the younger generations were becoming more and more skilled with the skills of both the Gitny and Ylian.
As the seasons passed, the City of Berne grew. One day, the Berne Council was informed that the Moroc had exhausted all of their food supplies and were coming in search of the Gitny. The Moroc wanted to capture as many Gitny as possible in hopes of having them lead the Moroc to greater food supplies. The Berne Council quickly deployed the Berne Protective Infantry (BPI) to defer, or at least weaken, the coming Moroc. Mysteriously, however, the Moroc passed by the BPI and they completely destroyed the City of Berne, taking many captives with them. Few managed to survive that horrible attack, and those who did, have scars deep into their souls.
We are those who escaped, those who fought..
We are The Survivors of Berne.
Purpose
We exist solely to resettle the land that is rightfully ours. We will spend our time gathering the neccessary resources for the resettlement of our beloved Berne. We will make friends, recruit new settlers, train them, teach the ways of the Gitny, and pass on our culture to our future generations until the time comes to resettle Berne.
Ranks
1-Immigrant- This person has just joined the guild. They will need to portray a basic understanding of the guild and its history, along with showing a will to learn and better themselves.
2-Freeman- This person will be guided along through the world by either a Settler or a Protector. This will be the fastest stage of learning for a member.
3-Scout- The Scout will be given a series of duties to prove their knowledge of Yliakum, tools, RP, and OOC ideas along with various other things.
4-Man-at-Arms- The basic unit of force. This member will be refining and focusing their battle skills. We remember what happened on that day in Berne, and we will not let it happen again. This member will be given orders by an Officer to display and further his/her knowledge of millitary ideas.
5-Villager- This member will further their own personal growth along with that of the guild. They will begin to focus in on skills other than that of the millitary. This includes but is not limited to mining, crafting (when available), and general commercial and economic functions.
6-Settler- The Settlers are trusted members of the guild. They stockpile resources for the guild, and make sure all items within the guild are orderly. They are in charge of teaching Apprentices and answering any questions they may have.
7-Officer- The Officer is the Second most powerful millitary force within the guild. The Officer will order and train a Man-at-Arms, and ensure the growth of that rank. When appropriate, they will reccomend to a Protector that a Man-at-Arms be promoted.
8-Protector- The Protectors are the most trusted members of the guild. They have displayed honor, courage, and dedication to the guild over a long period of time. They are in charge of most promotions, and help with the overall organization of the guild. Should the time come, the Protectors will be the main governing body of the newly settled City of Berne.
9-Guardian- The Guardian is the founder of the guild. He takes all responsibility for the well-being an happiness of each member. Come the time that we settle Berne, the Guardian will lead everyone to everlasting happiness.
Alignment
Lawful Neutral
Rules
-You will act responsibly within PS.
-You will not be OOC without displaying the text within brackets.
-You will remain friendly to all, and have patience with everyone.
-You will respect the authority within the guild
-You will be active In-game and on the forums (PS and Guild)
-You will enjoy your time in PS
If you wish to join the Survivors of Berne, please contact Easton either ingame, in this thread, or by PM. i will need at least 5 members to actually start this guild. My thanks to all that have, and will help in the future.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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I wish I could join... oh well, im in The Dragon Council.
I can only wish you luck, and \"I saw him read his story in the tavern!\" I like your history and ranking system. One of the better guild stories I have read.
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Thank you Mentak. I appreciate the compliments.
Also, i just want to add that i will be needing help to make banners and such for the guild. If you\'re interested in helping let me know..
Thanks
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Hehe sure, I\'m preatty nifty with Photoshop. Well, one question, why do you have two threads in the Guilds forum?
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So you decided to make something Easton ? Looking great so far, good luck with it in the future my friend :)
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Originally posted by Mentak
Hehe sure, I\'m preatty nifty with Photoshop. Well, one question, why do you have two threads in the Guilds forum?
Well, the SCoY is to inform guild leaders of the council.. It\'s not a guild, but i think it belongs in the guilds forum.
Easton Ghent
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As you already know, I\'m up for it Easton ;)
The cause is honorable, so my services will be at offer.
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Obviously, a much more detailed history than some other guilds... :O
But the truth in our case - \"The former followers of Janner\" - would have been even less \"important\".
Be sure that our guild will support you settlers, and wish you much success founding your new community. :)
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Thank you for your support everyone..
Soon enough we will have the starting base we need to begin our work..
Easton Ghent
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Just announcing that we have finally found the numbers to begin our work. The guild has officially been created. We hope to see our membership rise over the next few weeks with honourable, dedicated members. Thanks to everyone who helped with the formation of the guild, and everyone who displayed interest.
Now i begin work on a website...
/me goes off to get frustrated making a website.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Hah Easton i really love that history you writed becouse i love ewerything what belongs to history. i wuld like to know more about those species which lived in berne. And one thing: now its 10.4.2006 or in america how its writed 4.10.2006. Game updated today so dont blow up your computer if game dont work!
--Guild member-- Aeren
PS:Oblivion rules!
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good luck is all i can say :)
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While i work on a site, Illori from the Ruby Reign was kind enough to offer a space for a message board for SoB. Here they are:
http://myrolan.us/smf/index.php
Thanks to Illori, and the Ruby Reign for putting up with us until we have a website completed.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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We have a new forum that is our own!
We wish to thank Illori and the Ruby Reign for taking care of us while we got settled and ready. We are truly grateful for your help.
Alright, so it's still under construction, but im confident enough to open it up to the public. Here's the addy: www.berneguild.forumer.com
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Link leads to forumer main page for me. Might be the link..might be me..probably me.
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We have a new forum that is our own!
We wish to thank Illori and the Ruby Reign for taking care of us while we got settled and ready. We are truly grateful for your help.
Alright, so it's still under construction, but im confident enough to open it up to the public. Here's the addy: www.berneguild.forumer.com
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
i use forumer myself, try http://berneguild.17.forumer.com/ if you write ww it will screw up the link :/
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Thank you Peacer...
http://berneguild.17.forumer.com should work now.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Well...
After months of having the same guild name, i have been informed by the powers that be that it must be changed. So, everything is changing.. im going to make a new thread, new forums most likely, new everything...
:@#\ :@#\ :@#\
/me huffs and puffs as he walks away
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You could just.. change the name without redoing everything :\ Unless you want to redo everything, that is. I don't recall people forcing you to change the entire concept or structure of your guild :/
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And the thing that strikes me most, is the fact the guild called "La Horda" is approved of. Which basically means everything in another RL language, other then city names is allowed. Maybe Berne isn't such a bad thing after all ey?
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didn't know berne excisted actually :/
@proglin: at least they aren't a "spanish" horda anymore ;)
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And the thing that strikes me most, is the fact the guild called "La Horda" is approved of. Which basically means everything in another RL language, other then city names is allowed. Maybe Berne isn't such a bad thing after all ey?
We don't force people to speak english but in public chat.
All over Yliakum there are many dialects spoken that are allowed. In this case the dialect is called "spanish". Dialects are something that exists in Yliakum. It's not like refering to a place In Realm of Legends [IRL].
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@Karyuu- i didn't mean i had to change the structure or anything.. just,i can't just rp that i forgot the name of the city easton was born and raised in. Its totally an ooc matter. It sucks, but its the rules right? Im certainly not going to nit-pick about other hypocrisies and contradictions. I just want to get the word out that if people see another guild with the name "Survivors of XXXXXXXX" That it is still the Survivors of Berne, just with a different name. The guild forums have to change. Having a guild named one thing and the forums named another is.. i don't know.. wrong. My only complaint is that it took months for someone to tell me we had to change the name. thats all. Nothing else.
@Hadfael- im not saying it is right or anything, i just want to clear things up. I remember many months ago, people would be speaking languages other than english and others would ask them to speak english. I don't know if they were any authoritative figures, but it happened enough times for me to believe that you weren't allowed to speak other languages that occur in RL. So, you are now allowed to speak languages other than english without getting yelled at?
@peacer- neither did i...
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Hadfael's post was a little confusing, for me.
We ask people to use English only in public chat, and I certainly don't think of real RL languages as "dialects" of Yliakum. But we allow character names that mean things in non-English languages, so I think it would be nice for us to be consistant, and allow guild names in other languages. As Uyaem said, for example some guilds just sound awesome using Latin. As long as a guild name is not OOC, it can be whatever. There is a guild with a Polish name that means Brotherhood of the Sword - it's in character, so it's fine.
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We ask people to use English only in public chat, and I certainly don't think of real RL languages as "dialects" of Yliakum. But we allow character names that mean things in non-English languages, so I think it would be nice for us to be consistant, and allow guild names in other languages. As Uyaem said, for example some guilds just sound awesome using Latin. As long as a guild name is not OOC, it can be whatever.
I'm sorry, this really just confused me a bit more.
In the guildname "Survivors of Berne", Berne is a reference to a city that once existed in Yliakum but no longer does. It makes no reference to a city in Switzerland. As ignorant as i am, i didn't know this city existed until a couple days ago. Now, if i make no mention of the country of Switzerland and make Berne a distant and lost city in Yliakum (as i already did, read the history), is that a reference to anything OOC?
On another point, i contacted a couple GM's about this and i have recieved very different responses, and even their ways of telling me i needed to change the name was very different. And now this post actual gives me hope that i could possibly keep the name. My preference, obviously, is to not change it, but i am very willing to accept it, but i reallllllyyyyy don't want to change it if i don't have to.
I now have two areas that i feel need improvement in this whole thing, no matter what the outcome:(note: this is in no way a list of reasons why i should be able to keep the name. Its just some things i feel need improvement while involved in this.)
1. The timing of things.. i was told that my guild name needed to change two days ago. After months of having this post on the forums. I made this post weeks before i could create the guild in game because i needed the manpower to begin with. I feel if we are going to enforce this type of policy we should strive to be a bit more timely.
2. A clear answer from GMs. I know many of the GMs and i respect them and what they do, whether it works for or against me. I don't mind sacrificing for the community.. at all, and they do that on a daily basis. But i feel that the GMs i spoke with had two very very different reactions when i asked them about this issue. I don't know.. i just think it'd be best if the GMs were moreso "on the same page".
Again i completely respect the decision. If i am asked to change the guild name at the end, i will gladly change it. However, i am simply a bit confused and i feel there are a few too many contradictions and hypocrisies. I just want to be clear with the way things are supposed to be. Thanks...
Easton
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And the thing that strikes me most, is the fact the guild called "La Horda" is approved of. Which basically means everything in another RL language, other then city names is allowed. Maybe Berne isn't such a bad thing after all ey?
The name of that guild has already been changed from "La Horda Hispanica" to "La Horda". As explained by Hadfael, since there is nothin OOC about that name anymore, it goes. :) Disallowing names that mean something in foreign languages is just too much, perhaps Proglin means something in Suaheli... ;)
In the guildname "Survivors of Berne", Berne is a reference to a city that once existed in Yliakum but no longer does. It makes no reference to a city in Switzerland. As ignorant as i am, i didn't know this city existed until a couple days ago. Now, if i make no mention of the country of Switzerland and make Berne a distant and lost city in Yliakum (as i already did, read the history), is that a reference to anything OOC?
It is, for people at first glance. Imagine you were from Switzerland, saw your guild's name. What would be the first thing that comes to mind?
On another point, i contacted a couple GM's about this and i have recieved very different responses, and even their ways of telling me i needed to change the name was very different. And now this post actual gives me hope that i could possibly keep the name. My preference, obviously, is to not change it, but i am very willing to accept it, but i reallllllyyyyy don't want to change it if i don't have to.
I bet those responses varied depending on whether the GM knows Berne or not. We GMs are only a few people, we cannot hold a meeting for every name in question, so it is in the end up to the particular GM to interpret or apply a rule. Any rule leaves room for interpretation.
1. The timing of things.. i was told that my guild name needed to change two days ago. After months of having this post on the forums. I made this post weeks before i could create the guild in game because i needed the manpower to begin with. I feel if we are going to enforce this type of policy we should strive to be a bit more timely.
I totally agree, the timing is/was awful, but I honestly never stumbled across your guild before (maybe I spend too much time in npcroom ;)), but we can hardly say "Meh, missed that one for so long, so let's just let it" - as for the 'why', see below.
2. A clear answer from GMs. I know many of the GMs and i respect them and what they do, whether it works for or against me. I don't mind sacrificing for the community.. at all, and they do that on a daily basis. But i feel that the GMs i spoke with had two very very different reactions when i asked them about this issue. I don't know.. i just think it'd be best if the GMs were moreso "on the same page".
As much as we'd all like to give the same reply when asked the same question, we are individuals and will always have different opinions on subjects. For me, Berne was/is a reference to some place outside the PS world. Yes, I did read your story, and I already told you that I like it and that I can see how you can come up with the name without actually meaning to refer to the place in Switzerland.
But in the end, this is the pickle - we cannot make a difference based on the intention. :( It would not be fair to those who did get renamed, and suddenly "oops, didn't know this was a real place" would be such an easy excuse to keep a name that would otherwise violate the naming rules.
So I got to stick as close to the rule as possible when implementing it, and that says "No names of popular culture (fictional/non-fictional)", whether it's intentional or not.
The next person will call their guild "Pleasure of Jihad", which of course doesn't go either whether the guild leader knows what Jihad is or not. I will rename, he will the point fingers and say "But hey, I'm Swiss, there's those other guys that have an ooc reference too - how come you allow that?". Not exactly a win-win situation.
I hope you can understand the reasons why I had to ask you for a name change a bit better now.
This will probably not help you, but "Uyaem" wasn't my first choice name either... ;)
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Yeah.. the things i stated above were not reasons why i shouldn't have to change the name, just things i thought were unfortunate. The name will be changed.. Thanks for explaining things Uyaem.
Easton Ghent
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I think it is also important to mention that Berne is the capitol of switzerland, not a little village in Africa.
The bigger, the more known a place/person/figure/idea/concept/whatever is in RL, the more people get distracted from RP ingame, the bigger is the chance to get the name changed.
We GMs always try to hurt as little as possible. It doesn't seem like it sometimes, but we try to find an balance between overstrictly enforcing the rules (and getting called name fashists) and avoiding hurting people by not changing their name (and getting called lazy bums by those who are disturbed by the name).
This task certainly is not the easiest (and not the most liked neither), but it has to be done.
Sorry that we didn't point out your guildname sooner, don't know why we overlooked it for so long :-/
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Errr ... *scratches his head* ...
Actually the capital of Switzerland is Bern, not Berne.
And to be brutally honest I find this specific decision, though politically correct, rather stupid. There was obviously no ooc intention with this guild at all, quite unlike the other example mentioned. Of course who am I ... sure won't make a fuss out of this and I'll be quiet now. :)
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Zan Zan Zan...
As much as i love you for making this post, i hate you...
Every time i accept that i should change the name, something else comes along that screams at me that i shouldn't..
I just want to know... :o :o :o
Someone tell me, What is the Capital of Switzerland? And why is this happening? Am i changing my guild name? Why?
thanks..
Easton
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It turns out that there are two spellings - with and without the 'e'. Both are valid.
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valid meaning, not able to be used in game. despite all the obvious reasons as to why it should be left..
meh.. nothing against anyone, its just stupid for the lack of a better term.. maybe.. its all semantics.. yeah.. thats a bit better..
Easton
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sorry if I added to the confusion.
I hope the small converstions we had ingame helped to clarify the situation.
If not you know I'll listen and try my best to make myself clear (which I usualy fails) ;)
Right now it's more an opened reflexion about guild names in which yours was involved after months without comments.
About the different opinions of GMs, it's the same with players. Any name that seems fine to a great number can still disturb a few to a different level. From being able to get along to being really annoyed depending on your culture and knowledge. There are a set of things we are all agreeing on. Those are already part of the policy. But when it cames to "disturbing others RP" it is and will always be a matter of personal opinion.
Some things are not "white or black" but dotted or shaded.
-Berne is a capital city spelled this way by many of its citizens.
-Berne is not in PS settings
+You are using this name for a while
post scriptum: TY for your revelent opinion about languages Easton. You enlighted me.
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Living in Germany (and so being almost a neighbor to them), I know the capitol of Switzerland only as "Bern", and therefore never expected it to be confused with Berne. This may only happen for different languages where an additional "e" is usual.
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Actually the capital of Switzerland is Bern, not Berne.
... and Munich is actually München, but the English language doesn't give a damn about proper nouns ;)
http://www.bern.ch/weiche-en
And to be brutally honest I find this specific decision, though politically correct, rather stupid. There was obviously no ooc intention with this guild at all, quite unlike the other example mentioned.
That's what I tried to explain in my first posting in this thread - the next best guy will call their guild "The Holocaust" and say "Oops sorry, didn't know there has already been one...", and while this example is perhaps blunt, you can see where it's going...
Of course who am I ... sure won't make a fuss out of this and I'll be quiet now. :)
It's the forums, if you have something to post, you post it - that's how it works. :)
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Living in Germany (and so being almost a neighbor to them), I know the capitol of Switzerland only as "Bern", and therefore never expected it to be confused with Berne. This may only happen for different languages where an additional "e" is usual.
In Germany you usually also don't talk about 'Germany' but 'Deutschland' ;)
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I know english is terrible at naming places and countries tottally different for some reason.
One such kinda strange example is indeed "Deutschland". Called "Duitsland" in dutch but somehow became "Germany" in english.
Also strange duits, deutsch, dutch. The last one is refering to being from holland while the other two are refering to being from germany. *shrugs*
English is a stange languege that way.
Anyhow as much as I agree decicions like this somehow have to be made faster then this I have to agree with the decicion. A name of the capital of a country how unknown to some perhaps has to have people thinking of OOC thinks.
I would however like to support the suggestion that the GMs look at ways to make these decicions faster after creating. We had the same trouble with the Dragon Council when a GM decided to change it while we had already carried it for I believe had been half a year already by then. (1,5 by now so don't know exactly how long it was)
Specially the guilds that have come out here in the forums it's kinda strange it takes so long to have the name looked at sometimes.
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I heard - in japanese, a "german" is translated as "longnose"... :P
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Some things are not "white or black" but dotted or shaded.
-Berne is a capital city spelled this way by many of its citizens.
-Berne is not in PS settings
+You are using this name for a while
Berne not being in the PS setting is inconsequential to me. If you read the story, you will soon find out that Berne no longer exists. It was destroyed. You see.. when i sat down to create this guild, (i didn't just pay 20k and make a guild..) i wanted to give it a goal, something soo far off that it may not even ever be attained, but thats somewhat the point. If someone made a guild "To make it to tomorrow" It'd be pointless because after they reached their obvious goal, they are rendered kind of pointless. Thus, i gave the guild a verrrrrryyyyy long term goal of rebuilding a city, and then added a few goals to fuel us in the meantime. The fact that berne wasn't thought up by a dev doesn't mean i can't say there was once this city.. right? or is that not rp, but pretending?
post scriptum: TY for your revelent opinion about languages Easton. You enlighted me.
Hey.. as long as we both keep our minds open, i think we'll be just fine. I'm sure we'll talk more about other more consequential things..
EDIT: The new guild name is Survivors of Vaern. Karyuu you are welcome to lock and/or delete this thread. Ill be making another with the edited names and things.. Thanks to everyone for not leaving me in the dark on this one.
Easton Ghent