PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ekusile Feyorel on April 22, 2006, 02:21:24 pm
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I have played alot of so called \"role playing\" games, but Planeshift is the best so far, and openly encourages serious roleplay, and I love it. But......the dwarfslaying guild is too much IMHO, Dhralian (spelling) was acceptable to me, I could take it and laugh, but a guild of dwarfslayers has a ring of \"ethnic cleansing\" about it, and I\'m sorry to say I cannot just ignore it and hope it goes away. Sure, we have good and evil, thats fine, but a guild committed to slaying just one race is bordering on racism and harrasment, something that is shunned in this game.
Player Policy post :
You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Planeshift that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hatemongering philosophies.
I would be interested in reading everyone elses thoughts on this matter.
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This should be stamped out right away, it is not in the spirit of the game.
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depends on the rp, i don\'t mind a dwarfslaying guild, i heard drahlian\'s history, and i believe they are all from there. Then massinviting should just be wamped and not used, to many dwarfslayers will make a threat as a lot of gop\'s are dwarves. And they will probably go to war with them for that :P.
as my logs have been deleted because i forgot to back them up >.< i can\'t extract her history of her original home where dwarves were slaves and treated like mud used to carry their wagons, etc. as long as the insultment of dwarves ir rp and not oocly (see how many dwarf friends drahlian has.) I myself see no problem, and i think the player policy racist thingy is from guild who don\'t like foreigners in their country or something like that. Not ingame racism.
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I think dwarfslayers are ok,ASLONG as in your Description there is a Good story behind it,If you Say
I KILL DWARFS COS THEY SMALL,Im against it,If it has a Story like me.Which Its about Dwarfs Spreading plauge to my Breed Klyros,and All ect.
But if they Story aint acceptable im against
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True. Don\'t mind a few, like Sardit who keeps pointing out to check the discription. But i noticed some people copy-ing the same habit without the intention of RP. This definitly ruins the atmosphere!
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Peacer said :
Not ingame racism.
So ingame racism is ok ? as long as its IC ?
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I agree with Peacer. I don\'t think the rules really apply to \"in game\" racism. After all dwarves don\'t really exist, do they? Things like hatred for a race will exist given the right conditions. Also the people role playing \"haters\" appear to have gone to some length to explain that it is only a role play in their \"descriptions\". As long as this is the accepted method of explaining actions, I\'m ok with it.
To be honest though, I feel any information gained through the \"description\" is really OOC - unless it is truly a description of a specific item that s/he has on their person, ie. wears a long, dark, weather worn cloak. I would like to see all the additional information removed. One should only figure out \"this guy is a dwarf slayer\" through character interactions and when it is discovered, should be accepted as part of an in character role play as should EVERYTHING that occurs in game. Sure their will be violators, but they need to be pulled to the side and gently corrected through tells.
Thank you, in advance, Kary for pointing out that I have not only changed the thread but have brought up a previously posted idea (as it is yours).
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Ooc should be allowed in the discription, especially with this kind of RP. Put between brackets they can tell that it\'s not personaly ment RP-ing and that it can be stopped if they want that. Since not everybody is into that, it only seems fair to me.
About the racism; if RL rasicm isn\'t tollerated, should it be tollerated into the game? If so, let\'s wait for the first racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, hatemonger player. Can\'t wait to read that discription.
^^,
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i dont believe it should be tolerated any kind of racism towards any general type of race, being included fantasy races in games, were thus the ficticional racism becomes real in real life one way or the other.. about this subject i plee to the devs not to tolerate this kind of actions.
my 3 trias.
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This is indeed a touchy subject and I can honestly say that both I and Satayne dissaprove of Dwarvesbane but I am also cursed with being able to see both sides of a coin at once.
Now when this first started it was harmless enough as Drahlian was pretty much on her own it wasn't such a big deal, but now she has formed a guild and it's growing.
The players behind the dwarves have been very good about
the RP aspect of it as I understand it and it does tend to liven things up but it does have the smack of racism about it.
r.guppy said: This should be stamped out right away, it is not in the spirit of the game.
I don't think thats right as this is a freedom of speech and expression and in a world such as Yliakum, there is likely to be a few dwarf haters, but I also think Dwarvesbane should be real careful as one of these days all the dwarves of Yliakum just may unite and stamp her and her guild out for good.[/b][/color]
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....... and stamp her and her guild out for good
I know what you mean ou8i8uo, bu that\'s where the realism ends I\'m afraid, it\'s not possible is it ?
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I know what you mean ou8i8uo, bu that\'s where the realism ends I\'m afraid, it\'s not possible is it ?
Ahh, lets not forget, this is RP not RL,...anything is possible as long as it is RP\'d right.
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Touchy subject indeed. In-game and in-character, anyone can be a sexist snob, happy little racist, etc., as long as it does not become irritating to someone OOC. For example if people have fun playing along (because conflicts always liven things up, you must admit) but then this begins to interfere with their character\'s lives all the time, and thus not giving the player the chance to \"escape\" and RP other things elsewhere, it becomes a problem.
I would like to hear from those who play the dwarves, really. Has this been a bother to you as a player yet?
[ Ekusile, the Player Policy\'s rules on harassment are that of OOC pestering. If an action is IC, it is a different matter. ]
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While agreeing that if done well anything may be role played we still play within the world given to us.
After all if RP\'ed properly could we not have guns, cars even dragons
Direct from the player guide (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_races.html)
The land of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the distances between cities are not great, and trades are a central part of Yliakum society.
and two more quotes from the player guide (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html)
Yliakum is an underground city. The inhabitants, a mixture of different races, also call it the \"City of the Azure Sun\"......
It is sure that some of them lead to places similar to Yliakum and even to the surface, but nobody ever came back to report such a discovery.
If we don\'t all play from the same basic settings then we will end up with a confusing mish mash of individual RP sessions that bear no relation to the world invented for us to play in.
It is evident (to me anyway) from some of the recent events within PS that the Plaayer Guide is either being ignored or not read at all when developing possible RP scenarios
edit: to state that the emphasis is mine
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I see nothing with in character racism. I don\'t know why, but it doesn\'t bother me. Anyone who would act that way in character, just might create some dynamic and interesting roleplay.
When it becomes Out of Character, we of course have a problem, so the trick seems to be \"When is racism in character, and when is it out of character\".
This instance seems easy enough to identify: There is only racism towards a non-existant race of people. Dwarves don\'t exist as a seperate race of human beings people. In fact, Ylians don\'t even exist. Endukais, Krans, Diaboli, etc. None of them exist. I can\'t tell you to shrug off this, because some of it seems sickening and disgusting, and it is.
But, no matter how disgusting this may seem, and how dispicable the character may seem, just remember: It\'s not real. It\'s something used for the enjoyment and entertainment of others. If you don\'t like it, ignore them.
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- Racism is not included within the normal game universe, as already dictated by the setting. It is already assumed that most people of a race have others from other races in their family tree. All races are capable of interbreeding (there\'s only one species here) and the resulting offspring is of one of the parents\' races.
- Having an ignorant character is very different from having one who wants to commit geneocide on a particular race. It\'s not the kind of thing someone just \"decides\" to do if they\'re a decent person. I\'m inclined to belive that anyone who would think this is a good idea is at least a little racist. (I would argue that most people are...) If you want to have an evil character, that\'s fine, just don\'t go focusing on races like this.
- Do not drag this garbage into PlaneShift. I couldn\'t care less about debates over wether it can be done \"right\" or if it\'s \"real\". I don\'t want to see this here at all.
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I do not have a problem with Drahlian\'s guild for the same reasons as ou8i8uo expressed. She and her guild are very good about everything and are polite <~~ For lack of a better word. They provide roleplay for all of us something planeshift needs. A story line. I have never seen Drahlian take it to far and say rude thing to people .... and she is slaying fictional characters not real pleople. DWARFS ARE NOT REAL. (I am not talking about people dwarfs in real life either. :/) She has stood beside me in game and has had a converstation with me as my dwarf friends stand around me. She did not go out of her way to even address them and begin trouble. I however won\'t name names ... but stood in the plaza very annoyed one night trying to have a roleplay while a bunch of players we shouting out insults to Drahlian and her guild. They shouted enough that I could scroll three times with my mouse in my chat box. They were being rude and picking on her. She took it as she always does. I could be picky and will be and say that is a form of racism as well.
This is a make belief world people so lets just not get the panties in a knot, I think we should look at fixing racism in RL before we start looking in a game. Lets face it, I come to the game to get away from real life issues. I don\'t appreciate it bring brought in.
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It\'s not being RPed well and it should stop. It was a lousy idea to begin with.
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First of all, I\'d like to thank everyone for their thoughts on Drahlian and her guild. My purpose for \"Dwarfslayer\" and \"Dwarvesbane\" is ultimately to make the world of Yliakum a more interesting place. Killing ulbernauts and rogues, selling the loot, and doing a few scripted quests can get monotonous.
A few people, such as Proglin, work hard to add RP spice to the game, setting up events and such. I appreciate their efforts, and think it adds enjoyment for most.
Drahlian is evil, no doubt about that, but I think evil is required to make good drama. What would Star Wars be without Darth Vader, or Lord of the Rings without Sauron?
Drahlian has had around 40 in-character duels with other players. With the exception of one mistake on my part (which I have long since made ammends for), all slayings have been battles agreed upon by both parties. Drahlian stays away from newbies.
The majority of my friends are dwarves, though Drahlian won\'t admit it. She often practices dueling in the DR with other dwarves (she\'s very nice to dwarves in the DR, as she wishes all dwarves to be dead, and in the DR they *are* dead). A few small RP events have been set up, and I believe enjoyed by all present.
DaveG, I am *not* a racist in real life. I believe if you were present in some of the RP events with Drahlian, you would enjoy them as well. I believe in most situations, the other players enjoy the argument/conflict/drama. If I sense someone isn\'t having fun, I leave them alone, and/or use a private tell such as \"If you want me to leave you alone, just let me know.\"
I\'d like to thank everyone for their thoughts in this thread. It will definately be a factor in designing the rules and guildlines of the Dwarvesbane guild (assuming it is allowed to continue). Also I\'d like to say the guild currently consists of only 6 members, and I\'d like to keep it small.]
-Drahlian
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This is what was lost:
- Drahlian claims she comes from a city where all dwarves are enslaved.
- A lot of people think that because of this, Drahlian's role-play goes against the planeshift settings.
- People have complimented Drahlian on her role-playing skills.
- DaveG stated that Drahlian and the members of her guild must be more racist than the average member of the planeshift community.
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Drahlian's character is a Diaboli, a race about which it is stated in the PS Handbook: "Diaboli are a happy, bustling, malicious race, quite unreliable. Humility is completely foreign concept to them." Last I heard Diaboli is just a slightly changed synonym for "Devil". A Devil being hateful and mean? Nooo. Never.
Basically, if you don't like the way Drahlian RP's, don't participate. I have participated in this roleplay and found it to be quite fun. A nice change of pace from powerleveling and questing. All anyone that plays a dwarf character needs in order to defend themselves against Drahlian is a banana peel. If you are curious about why I say this, ask Drahlian. She will act offended in RP while laughing her butt off in private messages. It's a game people. Enjoy it. I find the concept of a thieves guild to be as reprehensible as a guild of hatemongerers. You don't see me trying to get thieves guilds banned or the lockpicking skill removed.
On a tangent, be careful about making personal attacks against the people behind the characters if you are offended by something they do during roleplay. That person may have other characters in game that act out a completely different roleplaying theme. Also, Planeshift is a FAMILY game as far as I know. If it isn't intended to be so, maybe someone should think about setting an age limit. Being a family game not only means that it is intended for those of many ages, but it also means that these same people may have other family members playing as well. I know I would get pretty upset if my wife were playing planeshift and someone made a personal attack against her because of some role playing skit that she participated in. Fortunately my wife doesn't play MMORPG's (mainly because some people get confused between what is real and what is acting and she has a low tolerance level for this)
Thanks for putting up with my rant.
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Drahlian's character is a Diaboli, a race about which it is stated in the PS Handbook: "Diaboli are a happy, bustling, malicious race, quite unreliable. Humility is completely foreign concept to them." Last I heard Diaboli is just a slightly changed synonym for "Devil". A Devil being hateful and mean? Nooo. Never.
Basically, if you don't like the way Drahlian RP's, don't participate. I have participated in this roleplay and found it to be quite fun. A nice change of pace from powerleveling and questing. All anyone that plays a dwarf character needs in order to defend themselves against Drahlian is a banana peel. If you are curious about why I say this, ask Drahlian. She will act offended in RP while laughing her butt off in private messages. It's a game people. Enjoy it. I find the concept of a thieves guild to be as reprehensible as a guild of hatemongerers. You don't see me trying to get thieves guilds banned or the lockpicking skill removed.
On a tangent, be careful about making personal attacks against the people behind the characters if you are offended by something they do during roleplay. That person may have other characters in game that act out a completely different roleplaying theme. Also, Planeshift is a FAMILY game as far as I know. If it isn't intended to be so, maybe someone should think about setting an age limit. Being a family game not only means that it is intended for those of many ages, but it also means that these same people may have other family members playing as well. I know I would get pretty upset if my wife were playing planeshift and someone made a personal attack against her because of some role playing skit that she participated in. Fortunately my wife doesn't play MMORPG's (mainly because some people get confused between what is real and what is acting and she has a low tolerance level for this)
Thanks for putting up with my rant.
Wouldn't a devil hate everyone though, not just dwarves?
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Wouldn't a devil find great pleasure in fomenting discord by favoring/ostracizing one race over all the others? Devil's are traditionally associated with chaos and conflict. Sounds like it would be right up their alley.
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Wouldn't a devil find great pleasure in fomenting discord by favoring/ostracizing one race over all the others? Devil's are traditionally associated with chaos and conflict. Sounds like it would be right up their alley.
I don't see what's chaotic about slavery. Slavery is usually highly organized.
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Hmm... The latter half of this thread got cut off in the import to SMF. :/
Summary:
1) The initial charge of a primarily racist character/guild was more or less agreed to be false.
2) Explanation of breeding; all one species and can all have children together. Essentially all the sets of genes for the races are fully overruled by another, and offspring of multiple races have the features of one. This would imply that no "pure" breeds even exist, and racism simply doesn't exist in this universe. It's just been written out of the plot. ;)
3) Philosophical debate over playing a racist part in a movie vs. game, and about understanding racism. (trailed off into useless-land, sorry 'bout that...)
4) More pointless arguing over stuff that never happened. As far as I'm concerned, what happened here was stupid and should probably stop. If it was as serious as the initial claims implied, I would want those people to leave.
5) Slavery has historically just been what happens to the losers of wars. It's not the best of ideas, but not racist.
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on my character creation i met Drahlian within two days of it and she was doing a nice roleplay with some dwarves, that dwarf however was really to weak for her as it was a newly created character aswell. So i ended up participating in that roleplay and taking out the dwarf in a duell. The second dwarf i duelled came back for a rematch but fled and hid behind Isra who killed me as
the result of a roleplay where he protected that dwarf. The first thing i did upon deciding to join Dwarvesbane ( far before it actually became a guild i might add ) was write up a life story explaining me "hate" for dwarves. The second thing was looking up Kerol and having an ooc conversation about this, Proglin was present there too. It was decided by the three of us ( and Kerol is a Game Master ) that
A racism referrs to ooc racism, eg a dutchman hating germans, and not in game racism
B Following my description there was a good ground to have a character "hating" dwarves.
C Thirdly us being carefull not to take it to far ( eg giving a warning about our background to dwarves ) and accepting players not willing to participate in the roleplay. It really takes just a tell to have Sardit back up out of your life, i will only make a few insults upon the honour of that dwarf and leave disgusted by the sight of such a dishonour. ( and that is only to finish the roleplay somewhat decent, )
When Drahlian talked about a guild for the first time we discussed rules that should be followed, Currently we are working on a set of those for this guild.
So far the two of us have come up with at least the following weightpoints,
- firstly racism should not be a motive to joining Dwarvesbane,
- secondly the character must be willing to roleplay as that is really the reason for this guild to be created. We are here to encourage roleplaying and duelling between players because in our opinion that doesnt happen near enough in game.
- thirdly any members of our guild must step out of our way to refrain from "newbie bashing" If a character is by far to weak to face us in combat then we will only accept a challenge if the roleplay of that character really forces us. ( or if in private messages we agreed to have a duel )
If you keep a track of my duels you see that i have lost near a third, most of those have been against stronger opponents following a roleplay, If i have to die to end it fittingly, then heck, i go to the deathrealm.
The character Sardit has a few dwarf friends, and some of those are hostile enough in roleplay, There really is no racist motive on my part in this roleplay.
Here is a link to the background story of Sardit http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23195.0
I hope to have shone some light on my motives and my goals in joining this guild, i also hope that you will understand that there is a reason for this guild and that we really arent that bad
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To be honest though, I feel any information gained through the \"description\" is really OOC - unless it is truly a description of a specific item that s/he has on their person, ie. wears a long, dark, weather worn cloak. I would like to see all the additional information removed. One should only figure out \"this guy is a dwarf slayer\" through character interactions and when it is discovered, should be accepted as part of an in character role play as should EVERYTHING that occurs in game. Sure their will be violators, but they need to be pulled to the side and gently corrected through tells.
i completely agree Araye, however if i try to act out my character there tend to be players, and some not even dwarves themself, that perhaps lack the skill to distinguish between roleplay and real life. They just challenge me ooc before i have the chance to act out even remotely my background story, after that things get messy with me declining and trying to play out my character while they begin cursing and screaming that i need to accept their challenge. Now if that challenge was based upon a roleplay or at least their in character behaviour then id be accepting gladly, but since they just go that direction without taking the time to perform at least some semblance of roleplay before they challenge i am forced to put up a description like this to avoid these unpleasantries. And strangely after they have read the description they tend to change their attitude a lot some will still challenge me ofcourse, but now at least it is somewhat based upon roleplay. WIch suits me far better then not having the chance to perform my roleplay at all.
Please avoid posting two or more successive posts before others have replied. Just edit your last post to add new information :) Thanks! --Karyuu
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To me i don't care how well you roll play it it is still racist, if i make a corrector i don't expect some one to pick on me just because of the race i chose to be. Some [delets swear word] carrector is going around wonting to kill all Yelian, he made the mistack of picking on me.
The point is it breads racism, so please find a new Way to enjoy the game.
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For some reason I am thinking the only ones that can really complain are her victims.
/me looks around for a complaining dwarf
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r.guppy please dont be selfriteous, and see how this roleplay really works instead of acting on some assumptions. It is not that we walk up a dwarf and kill him. Try to find out how it really works before complaining please.
// SardiT
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r.guppy please dont be selfriteous, and see how this roleplay really works instead of acting on some assumptions. It is not that we walk up a dwarf and kill him. Try to find out how it really works before complaining please.
// SardiT
Frankly aft the word selfriteous A------ NO.
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( edited, was perhaps a bit to much. ) my question still stands though, dont go arround condemning something that you have not participated in
( i feel i need to explain why i put that word there, i come from a country where racism is a big issue, being racial prejudiced or even selecting on anything that came to someone by birth is punishable with severe fines and prison sentences. Over here an airline company cant even send an ugly woman away that wants to become a flight attendant because that is selection on appearance and is not allowed. That is put in with the same laws covering racism, hence you calling me a racist really offends me, and next to that if you were from my country would get your ass suied on slander. I am NOT a racist and i will not tolerate you calling me one. I hope i have made that point clear now. Next still thinking that our roleplay is solely racist based points out that you have obviousely neglected reading my first post. I will not be tempted in repeating my arguements again and suggest that you read that first and come up with some arguements instead of just venting oppinions and insulting me. )
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I don't recall insulting you, if you took it so sorry.
I don't recall calling you a racist eather,
I do recall stating what the guild is doing is in my opinion racist. It comes in all forms and is in all country's, for example i got severall good hidings just because i wear glasses at school, I adapted and soon learned to put them in hospital, instead of me.
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??? Take a midol people. I mean really has she hurt anyone ooc. No. Is this really that big of an issue. Not until the whinners show up. She has provided great roleplay something I have noticed getting shot down alot here lately. With the lack of things to do in planeshift, the only thing to keep the interest is to have something to roleplay out. I have never seen the dwarfsbane guild out of control or being rude or picking on people (Unless in roleplay and comfortable with it) So what the hell is the problem.... I have only seen on good point, racism. Again this is a roleplaying game and not real life. So save the world first before you start whinning here about a game and "controled circumstances."
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To me i don't care how well you roll play it it is still racist, if i make a corrector i don't expect some one to pick on me just because of the race i chose to be. Some [delets swear word] carrector is going around wonting to kill all Yelian, he made the mistack of picking on me.
The point is it breads racism, so please find a new Way to enjoy the game.
this is what insulted me, if you meant it differently apology accepted. If you read my character description you'll find that it has sufficient reason to hate dwarves in particular though it is mistrusting of other people aswell. Really Sardit is an elf scarred by his past and with a temper to boot. You should also know that Sardit has a few in character dwarf friends aswell. So please lets throw the assumption that he is a racist away now and get back to the discussion.
Ekusiel stated that he was afraid that this guild would lead to a genocide of dwarves. To assure him, the guild is still small and barely has enough members to even exist. Though our RPG goal is to slay dwarves our OOC goal is to promote roleplaying and duelling. A set of rules to assure that no character is in progress though the members that are in there now already have that consensus. Our guild will not accept members only there for the slaying of dwarves, or hatemongers or anything of the like, Further more we resent newbie bashing and refrain from allowing that. So i raise the question : Is it wrong to present every player of PlaneShift with a way to roleplay? if you dislike the guild then act out a good roleplay and we will be happy to participate in it. If we start to roleplay with you and you are a dwarf just send us a tell and we will stop. If you are not part of a roleplay and feel offended just leave, others are enjoying it.
Though i dont find it funny to be teamed up against by 10 + players in the plazaa, if that is a part of the roleplay, then so be it. Just stop thinking OOC when all we are and do is IC please.
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I have never seen the dwarfsbane guild out of control or being rude or picking on people (Unless in roleplay and comfortable with it)
This thread started out without that info, under the impression that this guild was harassing people in a completely unacceptable way. Some guild members may be doing things that they need to stop, but from what I've heard now it's just dumb and a little ignorant but not completely racist.
This thread should be over now that things have been cleared up, but it's not... If everyone doesn't calm down, I'll lock this thing.
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Though i dont find it funny to be teamed up against by 10 + players in the plazaa, if that is a part of the roleplay, then so be it. Just stop thinking OOC when all we are and do is IC please.
As a dwarf myself, I can assure you that my character's encounters with yours are purely IC and something that I have been having fun with. ;) You may recall that in our earliest encounters, my character was relatively civil and actually felt pity for yours due to the tragedy in Sardit's past. But, due to more recent events, he perceives a growing anti-dwarf trend and is much quicker to 'loose his cool'. >:(
I also hope that everyone can keep in mind that it is RP and keep their character's reactions IC. As far at the teaming up goes, if Sardit is going to push on the dwarves, he should expect them (and many of their friends) to push back. ;)
Regardless, I give you credit for the work you have put into your character's background and personality. After all, giving your character a personality (whether it is a pleasant one or not), is what PS is all about.
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This thread started out without that info, under the impression that this guild was harassing people in a completely unacceptable way. Some guild members may be doing things that they need to stop, but from what I've heard now it's just dumb and a little ignorant but not completely racist.
Okay DaveG, this is the sort of comment I find offensive. I respect and appreciate your work as a dev, but I don't like someone calling me "dumb and ignorant" for doing some RP that most people involved injoy! Do you know the meaning of the word ignorant? It's usually used when someone speaks about something they don't really know anything about. Well tell me, DaveG, how many times have you seen Drahlian or Sardit performing our RP? I'd be willing to bet the answer is NEVER, and I would call it ignorant to judge something you've not seen firsthand.
If you'd like to become informed on the actions of Drahlian or Sardit, I suggest you ask someone like Goldir, Redic, Dererun, Chohak, Proglin, Samuelious, Usarik, Tronicus, Einnol or Evaraj what they think of Drahlian. If you participate ingame much, you'll know that they're all dwarves, and guess what... they're all my friends OOC. We'll see each other and say "Ugh, filthy dwarf" or "Ugh, Drahlian, /me frowns" but in private tells we're like "Hey buddy, how are you today?" "Fine, and you?" Many I've been friends with for a long time, and many I have given help, weapons or money to help them in their play or training.
So please don't give me your ignorant, incorrect guess as to what is going on inside the world of Planeshift. There is a lot of fun and interesting roleplaying going on because of the conflicts between the evil Drahlian, Sardit, and crew, and the dwarves and dwarf-friends facing them. If I understand correctly, Planeshift is supposed to be a world of role-playing, and to be quite honest, I think it would be flippin' boring if there were no evil characters.
DaveG, I suggest you create a dwarf character, go ingame and say hi to Drahlian or Sardit and see for yourself before throwing accusations of "dumb and ignorant" racism. So far in this thread, almost every negative comment on Drahlian have come from people that she has never met ingame. Interesting, don't you think?
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Some people were offended by the way they acted, therefore it's ignorant of their feelings. Choosing to play racist in a game is just a bad idea, all around. Don't be so surprised when you get complaints like this thread.
Everyone here needs to calm down.
My initial impression of what was going on here was that we had some morons being ignorant, and it seems things were exaggerated from the start. We seem to have an evil guild playing dwarf hating characters, but whatever the intent it's not something being taken well. I don't care what your intent is. If people are complaining about your acts and calling them racist, that's enough for it to need to stop.
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Later today ( american time ) our guild site will be open explaining our goal and guild rules, lets just take a look at those first to see what we are about.
If you feel offended then please send us a message in /tell ingame and we'll be happy to adress that complaint ( contact Drahlian or Sardit please )
We think that our rules will adress most of the concern about us anyway. I myself enjoy the roleplay that i get to perform this way, and in it there really isnt much insulting anyway.
This dwarfhating thing really is just an opening to get a roleplay started. Come by and watch us do our thing sometime, you might like it aswell. For as far as i know all the dwarves in it
are aware of the fact that nothing is personal and none really feel offended, if that may be the fact despite our efforts please do contact us ingame per tell we will see what we can do to
clear it up. Further i wish to appologise to all players that may have been offended on anything they might have witnessed. in a roleplay some things may have been said that though not offending
to those participated may be that way to those just running past and picking that one message up. Please try to remember that you have missed the whole context of the thing. I suggest that if you see such a message in chat you walk back and get involved in the roleplay, you might just get a good time out of it and if things go really well kill one of us in that event.
Once more this is not a guild concerning racism, but solely dedicated to improving the amount of roleplay and duels in this game. A simple tell in game can solve a whole lot of trouble and goes
much quicker then dragging this to the forums. We are not about slaying all dwarves, just those that do enjoy participating in our roleplay, the rest doesnt have much to fear from us. Apart from the few times any of us may try to begin a roleplay, if you dont feel like it send a tell and they will stop bothering you. Lets all try to keep this game fun for everyone and not ruin it for a few because you have misunderstood their intentions or certain other events.
Kindly, Sardit
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Choosing to play racist in a game is just a bad idea, all around. Don't be so surprised when you get complaints like this thread.
I completely agree, and while we're at it, I've got complaints about some other horrible things in the Planeshift world.
First, did you know there is a guild named Infidel Slayers?! Know what an infidel is? "One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle." So they are obviously breaking one of the rules of Planeshift, as they are clearly discriminating religiously against those with different beliefs. Out with them!
There is also a band of robbers! They proudly call themselves the Thieves of Yliakum. Imagine that! A group of people that steal other peoples' belongings! That is a crime! And you know, someone in this forum said that we put a part of ourselves into our characters, so all those players are clearly felons in real life. Out with them as well!
I'd like to join the Way of the Hammer guild, but you know what? They won't let me! "Drahlian, you're no dwarf," they say. I can't get in because of my race! Better get rid of those obvious racists. Same thing with the Klyros of Fury guild. I'm not a klyros, so they won't let me in! Out with them too!
Also, one thing bothers me... Violence is all over our world in real life. We should get rid of it in Planeshift. Remove all the knives and swords and axes and magic arrows that people use to kill each other! Then Planeshift would be a happy place. And get rid of all the monsters the want nothing better to do than attack passersby.
Next the dangerous stairs should be removes so people don't accidentally fall down and hurt themselves. We need elevators, or better yet, just a simple round room with no features to trip over.
So now Planeshift will be a perfect, happy place with no racism, no thievery, religious fanaticism, killing, dangerous drop-offs or sharp corners. We can all stand in a circle and hold hands in peace. Just think how many people will run to play our new, purified, happy game?
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well i agree, but we might as well not get into that now. I think our point is clear now, lets just wait for our rules to be posted. After all this could be touchy subject for some players that have missed a certain point. We comply by all of the rules that planeshift provides and if some wish to interpret those differently then they ought to look at the whole as you just described. Please send us a tell if something goes askew in your oppinion and we will be happy to adress it for you.
//SardiT
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Drahlian, that my friend deserves an applause \\o// All good points. One of your points is one in which I was trying to make earlier but it got ignored. No big surprise. DaveG you said it a million times "Everyone needs to calm down" and that was exactly my point. Only not just with this guild but everything in planeshift. These players are moving way to fast for a game that is a tech demo. Does no one get everything is in testing? People stop picking everything apart, and when something new arises go with it and try it out first. Don't start bashing till you know the facts.
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After a little chat with Sardit today, we've come to agreement on some simple things:
1) This thread started out stating things to be worse than they are.
2) Choosing to play outright racist is not something acceptable here.
3) This guild is not doing that.
4) Any roleplay that could be offensive shouldn't be done with people not involved.
Drahlian:
Stop ranting.
I'm locking this thread now, because if I don't it'll trail off even more...