PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: method on May 04, 2006, 06:50:29 pm
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I told them I tried the "various things I could try for the quest here" ...
AND SO ON...
Is it really a spoiler... to tell someone they need to use the word "WORDHERE" ????
C'mon... this is "being annoying" beyond recognition..
SERIOUSLY... Sort out the difference between a "spoiler" and stopping anyone with good grammar from being seriously peanutted of with you.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
(I've completed this quest... so it's no bother to me... but any new players will find this lameness a NIGHTMARE!!!!)
No slight spoilers or slightly bad language please. Yes, I'm probably "being annoying" to you by making this edit. -Xordan
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advisors are not there to give you the answers to quests, ok some of the quest solutions may be a bit 'unusual' but why should we do your job for you. advisors are there to give help to players, not play the game for them.
although i do agree that the rules for advisors should be more clearly defined. but i personally always draw the line at giving quest answers.
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Sounds like it's time to take a step away from your computer, take a few deep breaths and remember that this is only a game ;) A very early version of a game even.
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I told them I tried the "various things I could try for the quest here" ...
AND SO ON...
Is it really a spoiler... to tell someone they need to use the word "WORDHERE" ????
C'mon... this is "being annoying" beyond recognition..
SERIOUSLY... Sort out the difference between a "spoiler" and stopping anyone with good grammar from being seriously peanutted of with you.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
(I've completed this quest... so it's no bother to me... but any new players will find this lameness a NIGHTMARE!!!!)
Telling people that line is pretty much completing the quest for them...
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I told them I tried the "various things I could try for the quest here" ...
AND SO ON...
Is it really a spoiler... to tell someone they need to use the word "WORDHERE" ????
C'mon... this is "being annoying" beyond recognition..
SERIOUSLY... Sort out the difference between a "spoiler" and stopping anyone with good grammar from being seriously peanutted of with you.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
(I've completed this quest... so it's no bother to me... but any new players will find this lameness a NIGHTMARE!!!!)
The problem is the quest, not the advisors. The way quests are solved is silly.
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In a sense, yes, telling the phrase is completing the quest for them. But think about it in roleplay terms. If you had a Holy Script of Laanx and someone came up to you and said that they needed "the scroll of Laanx", you'd know what they meant, right? Finding exactly the right words to tell the NPC isn't a very good basis for a challenge. A real spoiler would be something like telling someone where Nyshyn is or who has Falka (which is why I'm not saying it here!). But if the person knows who to tell something and just can't find the right exact words, I don't think that counts as a spoiler.
It seems just like it's an attempt to place the blame on the player for not having figured it out yet, rather than on the programmers for not putting in enough synonyms.
(Of course I do realize that posting all the phrases on the forums where everyone can read them might be pretty bad. That's probably the main reason it's only allowed ingame.)
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:thumbdown: Look at it from a advisers point of view. It sucks its called HELP and we cant but hay to give you the full answer i must have done it first to know, so if i can do it bad spelling and all whats your excuse. ?
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:thumbdown: Look at it from a advisers point of view. It sucks its called HELP and we cant but hay to give you the full answer i must have done it first to know, so if i can do it bad spelling and all whats your excuse. ?
You got lucky, that's what. Look at the solution for the Merrinez Love Letter for instance!
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:thumbdown: Look at it from a advisers point of view. It sucks its called HELP and we cant but hay to give you the full answer i must have done it first to know, so if i can do it bad spelling and all whats your excuse. ?
You got lucky, that's what. Look at the solution for the Merrinez Love Letter for instance!
done that too smiles 27 completed so far , not bad for a bad speller and a old f--- smiles GLAD TO HELP
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:thumbdown: Look at it from a advisers point of view. It sucks its called HELP and we cant but hay to give you the full answer i must have done it first to know, so if i can do it bad spelling and all whats your excuse. ?
You got lucky, that's what. Look at the solution for the Merrinez Love Letter for instance!
done that too smiles 26 completed so far , not bad for a bad speller and a old f--- smiles GLAD TO HELP
The Merrinez Love Letter has a one in a thousand chance of being done by anyone without a spoiler.
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I spent 5 hours trying to figure it out and never got it correct in the letter part. I must have run to get pen and ink a hundred times. Finally i roleplayed my question about it to another player and he was kind enough to give me a hand ( spoiler ) I really agree that that particular quest is a pain to get working. I've always wondered how ever the first player got that answer, its just to complicated.
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It's freaking annoying those quests. I mean the quests don't take time exept for the "try to guess the right phrase" game. And it was even claimed the phrase recognition was improved I believe.
I know its just a :beta:, but why make it so only puzzle fanatics can do quests?
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I'm thinking the quests are as alpha as everything else. Hopefully they will improve like everything else.
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hmm the game is regressing? Going back insteaad of forward? I'm sure it was called an open beta before but now it's apha again?
Now that is really a new type of slow :P
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It was never a beta. "Open beta" was used to compare PlaneShift to commercial projects.
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Meh, the quests will get less annoying in time, but why do you care about them at all? I mean, you get a few items from them, sure...But you can usualy buy those from other characters.
Oh and Pestilence, I was browsing my past posts the other day...because I am that sad... Anyways, yay for happy arguing :P
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It's never been called 'beta' by the developers. Technically, it's still a 'tech demo'.
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Actually I remember something about the current version being the beta version of an alpha version of Planeshift, thus Pre-Alpha
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no need to hate advisors. some, are automaton, spewing "ask ingame" . they get a bit annoying, that after saying millions of phrases to the quest person, that they show no compassion. when i advise, i put feeling into it. i say " i dont know, i havent even done it" or "that quest is annoying. sorry, but i cant give advice because of the rules".
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The whole thing was about relating character involvement to commercial games I believe. Saying that it was much like an open beta in the sense that many people can try it out. Except it is alpha...
I guess what Cyl said would be it
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Well the link that was autoset in the start menu used to say Open Beta and I didn't chose that title so thats what the devs called it not me ;)
Also I don't like the idea of calling something a devteam has been working on for five years stil an alpha. Personally I feel the project has failed in that aspect if thats the best that can be done in such an amount of time.
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If you can do better, Pestilence, I would love to see your project :)
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Most projects stay in alpha for about 4 years. They are just not announced as early as planeshift was.
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I might just do that Karyuu ;)
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IIRC Vengeance once said in IRC "some things in PS are alpha, some are beta and others are not existant" or something along the line.
It's freaking annoying those quests.
Then don't do them.
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Technically, it's a beta since it's in playtesting, even if other parts haven't been "released" yet.
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Technically, it's a beta since it's in playtesting, even if other parts haven't been "released" yet.
no it's pre-alpha, a game can be playertesting and still alpha. Besides it's a tech-demo which means demonstration, we are gettign something demonstrated with our own eyes (and ears if you have sound on ;).)
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Technically, it's a beta since it's in playtesting, even if other parts haven't been "released" yet.
no it's pre-alpha, a game can be playertesting and still alpha. Besides it's a tech-demo which means demonstration, we are gettign something demonstrated with our own eyes (and ears if you have sound on ;).)
It's not a demo, since we're playtesting it and not having it simply demonstrated for us.
Or... we could just say it's Planeshift, and stop at that.
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Like others have said advisors cant give you answers to quests but the help channel is populated by players of the game the chances are even if the player wont give you the quest solution in the help channel the same player will give you a hand as a player if asked nicely and ic.
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chances are even if the player wont give you the quest solution in the help channel the same player will give you a hand as a player if asked nicely and ic.
If you say so...
With a wildly lashing tail, Verrliit pounces a wise and knowledgeable advisor-type person, purring loudly, the whole way...
She snuggles against him, and says:
Ooooh, you are so big, and strong, and handsome too!
I bet you are really, really smart.
You probably even know the misspelled answer to that nasty mean old quest thing...
You know... That really, really mean one, that gave brain anurisms to the last five who tried it?
Yes, that one, the one with the pretty blue glyph for a prize!
I love blue so much.
Just like your eyes...
Tee hee!
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With an approach like THAT in-game, my character would be so distracted with eyes, ears, senses, and brain focused erm... elsewhere, that he'd have completely fergotten any answers to anything, and it'd all just end in tears! :D
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Typos or misspellings in quests should be reported to a dev (like me or Talad) in PM and we will fix it. The quests are not intended to be difficult because of dialog spelling. Most are not intended to be difficult at all--just something to do.
Advisors are doing their jobs not to give away quests. They are there primarily for help in operating the game, not in completing quests certainly. This is a bug in a quest script, not an advisor meanness problem.
- Venge