PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nividia Stormlance on May 09, 2006, 01:18:54 am
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To many people are choosing male chars bacause they are males in real life.. Does that make any sence no.. not at all.. Womens are in the minority because they rather look at TV than playing Computer games (tell me if im wrong :P) Since this is a roleplaying game it could be fun with more women chars
Example: Many games forces you to play a female char. That doesn't mean that you can't play the game..
Nividia's glossary:
Chars= Characters
the thing you control in your game.
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Womens are in the minority because they rather look at TV than playing Computer games (tell me if im wrong :P)
That's completely wrong, they like cooking and cleaning not looking at the TV pssssh :P *gets slapped*(I know nobody has done it yet, but you will)
Anyways, this topic has been discussed quite a bit. All in all, the planeshift community isn't exactly against men roleplaying women (read: There are a few exeptions but most don't care). Just make sure you tell people before things get...too far...cough
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I'm all female! :o
Yeah we do game too \\o//
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I've both male and female characters, but it all comes down to preference. And since PlaneShift is a roleplaying game, many people are more comfortable acting out a character of their same sex.
Everyone here also knows what "chars" are ;} This is way too common of a word, especially in games, to not understand its meaning.
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Guess the flirting game is atractive Karyuu ;)
Anyhow don't believe there aren't enough fenki's around and as a menki I am glad of that ;)
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:) I am female and love to game. Like Karyuu, I have both male and female characters.
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I've never met Karyuu or Zorbels ingame males...well, maybe Karyuu's, but I don't think so.
And Pestilence, all in all, the more fenkis the merrier, eh? :P
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All in all, the planeshift community isn't exactly against men roleplaying women (read: There are a few exeptions but most don't care). Just make sure you tell people before things get...too far...cough
What exactly is "too far"? =)
Personally, I don't think anyone is obligated to tell anyone what their real gender is because this is, after all, role-playing. There is a similar thread on WoW forums about female characters getting special treatment, such as rare loot rights, if they're believed to be a female IRL. That, in turn, prompts guys playing as female chars just for that reason alone. The whole thing, in the end, is as far removed from an actual role-playing as possible. Besides, a person can lie about their true gender. Would you then require everyone to scan and post their picture/ID holding a newspaper, and a sample of their voice recording? =P
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No, those are easy to get from friends.
I require all female chars to webcam with me...in the nude...for a few hours.
Preferably drunk :P
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No, those are easy to get from friends.
I require all female chars to webcam with me...in the nude...for a few hours.
Preferably drunk :P
::) *Zorbels hands Waylander a blow up doll (Adult sized). "Don't say I never gave you anything."
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I've got a female character and I'm a male dude.
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No, those are easy to get from friends.
I require all female chars to webcam with me...in the nude...for a few hours.
Preferably drunk :P
::) *Zorbels hands Waylander a blow up doll (Adult sized). "Don't say I never gave you anything."
Don't worry, you give me a lot, babe ;) ;) *nudge nudge* :P
Anyways, Sangwa, if I'm thinking of the right character, you need to play with your female char more. I want to be mad and impatient with her :P
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Don't worry, you give me a lot, babe ;) ;) *nudge nudge* :P
*Zorbels pinches Waylander awake from dream land* :P
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hahaha...wow...this is probably the most interesting posts i've seen on this forum yet...
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Though I'm female irl and play female characters, I agree that it's good fun to play other genders, and good for the game too...
though to be honest, there's no reason why anyone need know a player's "real" gender unless they're interested in looking for a RL relationship.
In the RP world, we pretend to be plenty of things that we would never dream of doing irl (like killing people ;P - at least I hope most don't dream of doing this irl... heh), so even if you're not comfortable irl with being with someone who is of the same gender as you, it doesn't really matter IC or in RP... That's the joy of Role Play... that you can take on another identity that is not real.
Having said that.. I happen to be a sucker for trying to get to know people OOC too ;P So I don't blame those who (like me), try to get to know players irl as well as ic...
What I do find incredibly annoying though, are players who are simply looking for "mates", or female players to be their girlfriend or wife, with little focus on the RP or character's personalities, etc...
It's boring to think that irl you would date someone, or marry someone, just because they were a woman or a man... The same goes for in game... It is much more interesting for a relationship, romance, or flirtation to occur because of the characters' personalities and the context of interaction. The ones that develop through RPing are always more exciting than ones that are decided upon in an instant upon first meeting someone.
Now, if you want to know what I really think... the real shortage in PS are female chars who are intersted in being with other female chars, and who aren't already attached to jealous male chars. That's the real thing that's lacking in PS... in my humble opinion *laughs*
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Preferably drunk :P
They'd have to be ;D or unconscious
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It's boring to think that irl you would date someone, or marry someone, just because they were a woman or a man...
come on... as if some of the female characters in the game arent hot... my character would go for em Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
its not just about gender its about how she wiggles her tail, the way she stands their gazing at you without saying a word... (or did her computer crash ?) ;)
all jokes aside... heres an interesting hypothetical...
what if 2 males played females in the game and then fell inlove with each other...
so in the game they are a happy lesbian couple...
In real life what would that make them ?
LOL
Even if I played a girl character... I simply wouldnt be interested in having boys chat me up and try to marry me.. (in game)
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I too play both sexes in the game. Nothing wrong with that. Playing female can be pretty entertaining if you ask me :P. I have also been told I am really good at it as well. Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing :-\ . I think im going to make it a good thing ::). :flowers: Flowers anyone?
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I can only gratulate everyone who is up for the challenge. I for myself can say that I just dont think I am fit for playing a female character, I mean I have absolutely no idea how a real woman feels, what her intentions are etc. and I certainly think that I am not capable of playing a character of different gender.
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I for myself can say that I just dont think I am fit for playing a female character,
I'm not really, either. But that doesn't stop me trying (ok, on the rare occasion i'm ingame)
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there are quite a few males with female chars
on another note not really playing i know but, teh me.... twice----> \o/ (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/drey7/neavebroke2.jpg)
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I can only gratulate everyone who is up for the challenge. I for myself can say that I just dont think I am fit for playing a female character, I mean I have absolutely no idea how a real woman feels, what her intentions are etc. and I certainly think that I am not capable of playing a character of different gender.
Dont make me laugh.... Do you really think that women feels and intents other things than men do.. Actually theres almost no difference between the two genders. The only thing that seperates us men from them is (currently :=)) that women are better at languages and remembering, and men are better at Hard mathematics.
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There are many differences between the genders, but not all of them are hard-coded. The vast majority come about from cultural influence, which of course isn't the same in Yliakum as it may be on Earth.
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Believe we already had that discusion with Toda's sexchange ;)
I personally am pretty confident is saying there are differences, but how many come from the different build brains and different hormones, how many from different expiriences and how many from the culture one grows up in is impossible to say. One can only say that there seems to be a trend visible in most civilizations as to how man and women behave to eachother.
PS: Don't think this means one can't roleplay the other sex. Think the not being able to see bodylanguage makes it not that big of a deal.
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My main char is a Female, can be quite fun sometimes.
An outlaw was causing trouble in Akkaio then I said he looked cute, whitch he did not like. After that I tried to kiss him. Next thing that happends is that he runs out of town :thumbup:
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I play male characters because I find it easier to stay in character. I tried playing a female and found myself second guessing on behavior. I think I am afraid that it seems exagerrated. It just feels more natural to me to play a male character.
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what if 2 males played females in the game and then fell inlove with each other...
so in the game they are a happy lesbian couple...
In real life what would that make them ?
Err... "fell in love"? Why should it "make them" anything in real-life at all? Are you here to find dates or have fun and play a role-playing game? If the answer is former then I suggest matchmaker.com. ;]
Even if I played a girl character... I simply wouldnt be interested in having boys chat me up and try to marry me.. (in game)
You're not obligated or forced to marry anyone in game. Nor are you obligated to chat with the boys who are trying to chat you up. There's always a polite "No". =)
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Peacer's wife is played by a man :)
although sometimes he say "nysha takes forth his daggers and does his dance" sometimes, ;)
another one i know, a female char i thought was female behind teh cahir to, then i found out he/she wasn't 0.o i was surprised.
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@ Netty:
Don't exclude "dates via playing" by all means. PlaneShift may not be made to support that, but you won't be able to avoid it.
For me, I am very poor playing my character being in love, when I don't have any emotions for the other player (or character? - confusing...) at all. And because I don't like being conned, I won't enjoy playing it "only", either.
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@ Netty:
Don't exclude "dates via playing" by all means. PlaneShift may not be made to support that, but you won't be able to avoid it.
For me, I am very poor playing my character being in love, when I don't have any emotions for the other player (or character? - confusing...) at all. And because I don't like being conned, I won't enjoy playing it "only", either.
What exactly is being "conned" in this context? No one wants to feel like they have to jump through hoops just to prove their gender to another person, especially when they're not concerned with "real feelings". I don't support lying about one's gender, I'm saying no one is obligated to tell you one way or another. If you happen to know a person IRL by other means, not because they had to pass your gender "test", then that's great, more power to you. But do you realize that it can actually feel very uncomfortable and even creepy if you know another person is trying to develop real feelings for you, just to role-play "love"? If they are the ones asking you to "marry" them, then that's different, and you can require to know their real gender. But if you are the one doing the proposing, you can't expect any involvement IRL.
I understand that you won't enjoy developing an in-game relationship with someone unless you know their real gender and develop real feelings. However, that still does not mean that anyone is obligated to reveal their gender to you. It's more of a courtesy, if someone does. =)
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I can only gratulate everyone who is up for the challenge. I for myself can say that I just dont think I am fit for playing a female character, I mean I have absolutely no idea how a real woman feels, what her intentions are etc. and I certainly think that I am not capable of playing a character of different gender.
Dont make me laugh.... Do you really think that women feels and intents other things than men do.. Actually theres almost no difference between the two genders. The only thing that seperates us men from them is (currently :=)) that women are better at languages and remembering, and men are better at Hard mathematics.
I would like to think hormones play a role as well :P... and isnt it just as sexist to say men are better at math or women have better memories? But no I dont play any female characters... it would be weird for me. And if I was chatting with a female char and we were becoming friends.. I would sure like to know :)... Thankfully in the past usually people will tell you before anything awkward happens :-[
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Being conned - that was related to the "Con RP" planned by Lexa/Thyme - she announced that she wanted to play a seemingly helpless woman, who will rob her generous lover later.
I am a rather emotional person, so even though I know it is only a roleplaying event, I as player still would not enjoy my character to be conned. "Radical roleplayers" might be able to tell apart their own emotions from their characters' completely. But not all players are so "elite" to be able to separate them completely. Some players will surely prefer to share emotions between players and characters, if possible - at least I suppose that.
Therefore, even if they are able to play along building a relation to a female character played by a male player, they may never forget the fact who the player behind the character is, and that will bias their character. This might be ridge between an average and a great roleplayer - not to care about the player at all, only concentrate on the characters. Some will pass this ridge. Some may not even want to try that.
This is no criticism. It is just a statement about the experience I got so far.
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Eep!
*feels a little uncomfortable*
Lexa has no intention of duping people into fall in love with her. She flirts and is very seductive, that is certain... but she does not do the things that I would consider to be fooling people into falling in love with her, or make people believe that they are in a relationship when in fact they are not... She is very careful to stick to flirting, maybe very heavy flirting, but flirting only nonetheless... and while attraction might occur (which is her intention), attraction doesn't necessarily lead to deeper emotional connections. Plus, if it becomes obvious to me that another player is feeling too strongly for Lexa, i would stop the RP or con of course... though there is already at least one RP romantic drama planned for the Con... :P
hehe, how did I start talking about this here?
Oh right... separating IRL form IC...
So yes... it is often hard to distinguish your emotions for others from IC and what's real... but I'm careful not to play my RPs too intimately and so personal that the other player would get to know the real me if I'm doing an RP... Lexa isn't personal enough IC, so it's only really through OOC chat with others that I think real emotional connections get built...
Plus, Lexa is SOOOOO over the top, that it's almost obvious that she's not a real person... I mean.. she flatters in excessive amounts and is always complaining about having no money to eat or pay for shelter (which is totally RP... since characters don't really need trias for anything).
So I think there's a responsibility on the part of the player to take into consideration the feelings that are being played on... If you're having OOC chat and you're trying to make the other person fall in love with you... then you have a certain amount of responsibility towards that person and their emotions. If you're only interacting IC... then I don't think you can be held responsible for real life feelings that develop... since the character isn't the REAL you... it's more like falling in love with a character in a book or a movie (which totally happens :love:)
Having said that, I think it's great when real life emotions develop for other players, and knowing someone's real gender might be an important piece of information if you're going to fall in love with someone (though not necessarily ::)). I know that before any of my characters become intimate with another player, I always ask for real life information (like age). So if you're concerned about falling for a player that's not of a gender irl that you're interested in falling in love with, make that explicit or at least, an issue in your mind when you play PS. IC it shouldn't really matter... but the second you start having OOC chat, then it's no longer role playing, and no longer about a fictional character, but about real people and real lives.
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I agree with Thyme on this one. No one can be held responsible for someone else developing feelings for you, purely based on your IC interactions. Sure, people end up "falling" for another person even just based on IC. But if those feelings are rejected or if it turns out that a female char is a male IRL or vice versa (remember, they never lied about their gender, just never specifically told what it was, the other person simply assumed their gender), that person is not responsible. That is not conning, that is RP'ing. OOC, on the other hand, is a totally different story, hence not role-playing.
If, for example, someone asks me OOC what my gender is, and I say, "it'll have to remain a mystery", and I never lead a person on (in OOC), that is not conning, that is called privacy. If that person still chooses to "fall" for me IRL, that is their responsibility, not mine. I cannot be held accountable for that. Sure, it'd be very flattering and even sweet, but only if that person is not a creep IRL.
On the other hand, if both people have no problem flirting OOC, revealing their gender, falling for each other, and somehow end up translating it into a PS "marriage", then more power to them. I'll even say awwww. =P
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Wow if people fall in love with fictional characters in the game, these people have some issues. :-X Personally I think I would like to see the person in real life before I even think about giving my heart away. This is a game, it is hard for me to understand why people would fall in love with characters in the game. That is just distrubing. I am sure there are some exceptions as there always are but come on .... falling in love with text? Yikes!
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Think that is lack of imagination Sarff, but isn't love always hard to understand if it never happened to you?
I mean even after it's hard to explain as everytime it's different. So don't call something like that disturbing just becuase you don't understand it.
Love is one of the blessings of this world. Who cares how one finds it aslong as it makes those persons happy
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Think that is lack of imagination Sarff, but isn't love always hard to understand if it never happened to you?
I mean even after it's hard to explain as everytime it's different. So don't call something like that disturbing just becuase you don't understand it.
Love is one of the blessings of this world. Who cares how one finds it aslong as it makes those persons happy
Hmmm. The way you put your words, you come across very rude. First of all who are you to tell me what I can and can not say? I stated my point of view on the matter, if you don't like it that is fine, your prerogative but there is no need to get arrogant about it. Second of all there is not one place in my post that said I haven't been in love. Assumptions of others are not good if you don't have the facts to back up your mouth. I indeed have been very much in love and this is why I am confused about how people fall in love with text, because that is all it is. The person on the other end could not be who you think it is. I think that in fact is DISTRUBING, especially since this game allows minors. If you are looking for a place to meet people for a romantic relationship then you should be in somewhere else, not in planeshift. I did say in my post .....
I am sure there are some exceptions as there always are ......
I do wonder though. Seems like I hit a cord with you. Are you one of those who have fallen in love with text, and feeling you need to defend yourself?
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Heh, you gotta realize there are people behind the text. And many of the people in planeshift know what others look like...hence the pic thread.
They don't fall in love with the text, they meet the people through the text, and as for ingame relationships, those are usualy only RP, from what I've seen.
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And you don't need to be looking for a romantic relationship to find one Sarff...
All in all, be a little more open minded, after being here for a while, you come to know the people behind the text.
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Keep in mind, I know nothing of love, don't believe in it, don't much care for it either :P . Chances are I'm wrong :D
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You see that is where I have a problem. Hear me out. You look at the picture and automatically assume that is who this person claims to be (look like)? Don't get me wrong maybe they are the person you see in the digital image but how do you know that for a fact? You hear their voices over messanger or other programs through chat, so it is safe to assume that everything they say is truth or close to it?
In my point of view I do not believe everything I may see and hear online. I think that is being very open minded. I can also appreciate that you have your point of view Waylander, as does this Pestilence guy/girl. That too is very open minded. We all have different perceptions of how we see things.
Also, this is a roleplaying game is it not? The moment you drop your walls and let someone know the real you by showing them a picture, or telling them your age ... you begin to lose the fantasy of the game. You begin to mix RL with RP. You may not do this on purpose BUT it still happens. So you confuse the two and end up falling in love with some parts of the character and some parts of the RL person. How do you know what is which. Hence my comment on falling in love with text. You never really know, as far as MY point of view is concerned if this person is in love with you .... or you in love with them till you see their face, and read their body language. It is to easy to hide behind your monitor and tell people what they want to hear. I would like to think we are all good people with good intentions, but I don't like to lie to myself. I would like to believe this pretty woman in my group box, telling me that she is so happy she found me. That she cares about me and wants to meet me some day. "We have so much in common!" She will say. Again maybe it can happen, but I wouldn't believe it until I meet her. I wouldn't know how much of my in game character she fell in love with. Maybe she would be disappointed to find out that wasn't the real me who was confident in character but has low self-esteem in RL. Maybe I find out she isn't the sweeti she seems with her words and in fact is a self centered person, who likes to control. Should I be cursing the text I fell in love with then? But again I will say ....
I am sure there are some exceptions as there always are ......
I am not saying that it is not possible to fall in love with someone from planeshift. How real is it, and has it ever happened? I don't know .... do you?
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How real is it, and has it ever happened? I don't know .... do you?
Very real, and it happens very often.
After a while around the community you start to see and hear the tales. Sometimes, it's a RP thing between two characters that starts to get emotionally involving. I am sure neither part intends it to begin with, but it starts taking on an extra dimension. I've seen guilds nearly tear themselves apart from jealousies generated from fictional RP characters.
More often, it is the situation where two characters meet and their 'spirit guides' (as Keder Maloy would call them) become friends. The friendship leaves the game and they get to know eachother through IM chat and such. You have a strange view of friendship, if you cannot consider the possibility of love springing from such a friendship. The people who talk to eachother are very real, they share their thoughts, joys, fears. Often people online are very lonely, but don't let that invalidate the fact that it is a genuine thing for many people.
I recieved an early lesson on PS attractions when the co-founder of my guild left the game over a misconception. I have never and plan never to have any kind of romantic associations ingame through RP. They didn't get the memo, and embarrased themselves, choosing to abandon the game for good.
However, I have a few very genuine friendships online. Some of these people I have known for as long as three years. While I admit there is much I do not know, and may never know about these people, I am as close to them as any of my RL friends. It's not a lesser friendship, it's a different one.
And I've seen it before - love can spring from the most unlikely places. These are not mere text words, they're the language of real people.
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Wow if people fall in love with fictional characters in the game, these people have some issues. That is just distrubing.
I come of as very rude? If you consider my post rude Sarff you better have a good look at your own post.
And I only said you shouldn't offend people who this happened to by calling it disturbing and saying those people have issues. Thats simply asking for respect for those people.
For love trust is needed and ofcourse it is therefor harder to develop on the internet becuase of the ways to fool someone, but it does happen. In the end we are all people and many of us spend a lot of time here.
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Very real, and it happens very often.
I can agree with that, as I said before there are exceptions. Is it always true love everytime and not just lust ..... most of the time I believe it is just lust. Thats just my opinion. Again, I say I would have to meet her in RL to even begin to truly believe she and I were in love. I am not easily convinced as some might be.
Pestilence I do have respect for people and again your words show me you didn't read a damn thing I said. I explained my point of view in the last couple of posts. If you couldn't in the posts see that I meant no disrespect and just made some good points ... backed up my point of view, then I am sorry you did not seem to get where I was coming from. Just do me a favor stop telling me to have respect when you so obviously don't for my point of view.
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I think you are overreacting, Sarff. Calm down, Pestilence in no way meant any harm nor was his post rude.
People "fall in love with text" quite often, and this isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Before the internet, people did have books, and letters.
The fact is, such things are surprisingly common and often very real. As long as they cause no harm, which is the crux of the issue, I don't think there is anything wrong nor are these people weird nor do they have problems they need to take care of.
As someone stated in this thread, if it brings them happiness, more power to 'em.
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You see that is where I have a problem. Hear me out. You look at the picture and automatically assume that is who this person claims to be (look like)? Don't get me wrong maybe they are the person you see in the digital image but how do you know that for a fact? You hear their voices over messanger or other programs through chat, so it is safe to assume that everything they say is truth or close to it?
Okay, I can completely respect what you are saying here, I also happen to agree with it, as I believe most do. So no more needs to be said there.
In my point of view I do not believe everything I may see and hear online. I think that is being very open minded. I can also appreciate that you have your point of view Waylander, as does this Pestilence guy/girl. That too is very open minded. We all have different perceptions of how we see things.
I don't think anybody believes everything they see and hear online. But, by being open minded I was mostly refering to the line that Pestilence had quoted a few posts up. I can understand how it disturbs you, I respect it completely. All I was saying was, give us a chance to explain it. I'm sorry if I sounded offensive.
Also, this is a roleplaying game is it not? The moment you drop your walls and let someone know the real you by showing them a picture, or telling them your age ... you begin to lose the fantasy of the game. You begin to mix RL with RP.
I never actualy though about it that way, it's an interesting approach and, mainly, a true one. Come to think of it, the only people I've really actualy gotten to know (them and not their character) are the people I /tell more than I RP with. It's an interesting point, maybe I'll look into it some more.
You may not do this on purpose BUT it still happens. So you confuse the two and end up falling in love with some parts of the character and some parts of the RL person. How do you know what is which. Hence my comment on falling in love with text. You never really know, as far as MY point of view is concerned if this person is in love with you .... or you in love with them till you see their face, and read their body language. It is to easy to hide behind your monitor and tell people what they want to hear. I would like to think we are all good people with good intentions, but I don't like to lie to myself. I would like to believe this pretty woman in my group box, telling me that she is so happy she found me. That she cares about me and wants to meet me some day. "We have so much in common!" She will say. Again maybe it can happen, but I wouldn't believe it until I meet her. I wouldn't know how much of my in game character she fell in love with. Maybe she would be disappointed to find out that wasn't the real me who was confident in character but has low self-esteem in RL. Maybe I find out she isn't the sweeti she seems with her words and in fact is a self centered person, who likes to control. Should I be cursing the text I fell in love with then? But again I will say ....
I believe I know what you are saying here. You fall in love not with the person behind the character but with some figment of your imagination that embodies all the best traits of both the character and the player. I've never really thought about that, and to be honest, never really fallen for anybody enough to know if you are right, but it is an interesting theory.
All in all, I agree with you. But there are some who have been here for years. After knowing people that long and sharing such an interest with them, you do begin to move away from the character and more to the player. With Karyuu for instance, I haven't talked to her Character in ages, but I like to think that I've atleast seen the tip of the iceberg when it come to who she is.
As for the relationships that spring out of nowhere...I have no idea. They are IG relationships, so it's not much of a commitment. I mean, marriages last an average of what? three weeks? IG I mean. I think mainly the whole thing is just to add a bit of fun and depth to their characters. And, besides that, many of our players are between 14-23, ages that I find are very quick to judge, per se, and are into experimentation. Being 17 myself I can say that some people I love one week and then, before I know it, they become more of a nuissance. Many of them are on the prowl for love or any romance at that.
I am sure there are some exceptions as there always are ......
I am not saying that it is not possible to fall in love with someone from planeshift. How real is it, and has it ever happened? I don't know .... do you?
I don't know anybody who has fallen in love from planeshift, I don't think so anyways. I do think that there was a couple whose love was somewhat damaged from it though...but...that's a whole other story :P
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I think you are overreacting, Sarff.
I am sorry you feel that way. I fail to see where I am. I was explaining my point of view.
Calm down, Pestilence in no way meant any harm nor was his post rude.
I am calm and just fine. I don't know that Karyuu, and I have to disagree. If Pestilence wasn't trying to be rude he/she would have said so in their last post if this was a misunderstanding. No one is offended that I see except for Pestilence. My posts to follow explain why I feel the way I do and yet everyone including yourself Karyuu seems to think I need to be told over and over the same facts. Actually the only one who seemed to take the time to read what I said is waylander. Thanks for that by the way. I know there are people behind the text. I know others feel different about the situation than I do.
I am sure there are some exceptions as there always are ......
I am not saying that it is not possible to fall in love with someone from planeshift.
I accept that, but can you accept the way my point of veiw is? I am all for reading what Pestilence has to say, but I am not going to have him/her tell me that I SHOULD do this differently or SAY things differently or not at all. That is not his/her right. He/she can suggest, or discribe being offended. Better yet, Pertlience could have asked me to elaborate or explain in different terms so it wouldn't seem offensive to him/her. He/she wasn't interested in that, and decided to (as I see it) be rude.
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Also, this is a roleplaying game is it not? The moment you drop your walls and let someone know the real you by showing them a picture, or telling them your age ... you begin to lose the fantasy of the game. You begin to mix RL with RP. You may not do this on purpose BUT it still happens.
That makes complete sense. I have to agree. Once those gaurds come down then you in fact do mix RL with RP, and I know for a fact it can get confusing. This is when people rely on communitcation and must be clear otherwise misunderstandings can occur. I think it is very hard to not get to know people behind the characters, especially when you have been apart of the communtiy for awhile. I still put my ooc comments in brackets in /tells just for my own security so I know for a fact the person cannot get confused as to what is real and what is not. I see your point Sarff in questioning what is real and what is not even if you think you know the person.
:) I however don't agree that these people may have issues just because they might fall in love with the "text" as you say. Then again they could, but who really knows but them? That is to general a topic for anyone to make assumptions. Unless you are them, and know you have issues who really is to say?
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I am sorry if you percieve me as being rude Sarff, but I simply don't see it that way.
Yes I am being direct and don't beat around the bush on what I think about this matter. But if you start of calling people disturbing and say people have issues you can hardly expect them to turn lovydovy on you. Not agreeing with you and pointing out you are using vocabulary that might be offensive to some people isn't rude if thats simply the case. It's also not saying that you can't voice your opinion it's simply pointing out this is a civilized forums where we respect eachother. Just as you have the right to say you feel I'm rude.
I think it's strange however that you seem say I can't point out that you shouldn't talk about people in such a manner, but you do seem to think you are allowed to say I can't voice my opinion about it becuase you feel it's rude towards you.
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People "fall in love with text" quite often, and this isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Before the internet, people did have books, and letters.
Yes - PlaneShift is just a more modern kind of "pen pal making"! :flowers:
I am still a bit amused how serious some people can talk about such easy topics. I want to have fun in a game. I try my best to get that while not disturbing others too much. But I will not start to play my character(s) bloody seriously, a bit of my player's emotions will always remain.
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But I will not start to play my character(s) bloody seriously, a bit of my player's emotions will always remain.
I've got to say, this has got to be the best line in the whole thread.
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I agree with you who are saying it is bad to trust random people. Somewhat,,, every person you meet can lie to you, the only thing that people can lie about that they can't in real life is their AGE.. GENDER and LOOK.. and it can be quite critical if a minor meets an old man and.... you know...
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you cant completely hide your own immotions, feelings and thoughts. Example
Some chars got wives in PS
NO chars (as far as i know[and I've been here for a long time]) got multiple wives!
and i think if someone gets the first wive will become jaloux
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I am sorry if you percieve me as being rude Sarff, but I simply don't see it that way.
Yes I am being direct and don't beat around the bush on what I think about this matter. But if you start of calling people disturbing and say people have issues you can hardly expect them to turn lovydovy on you. Not agreeing with you and pointing out you are using vocabulary that might be offensive to some people isn't rude if thats simply the case. It's also not saying that you can't voice your opinion it's simply pointing out this is a civilized forums where we respect eachother. Just as you have the right to say you feel I'm rude.
I think it's strange however that you seem say I can't point out that you shouldn't talk about people in such a manner, but you do seem to think you are allowed to say I can't voice my opinion about it becuase you feel it's rude towards you.
Your not the only one who doesn't beat around the bush, join the club. Your last post seems to be still directed to my first post. I guess you won't be able to understand until you move past the first post I made and read the following posts to come. I have addressed your issue but you ignore it. What can I do if all you want to do is focus on basically two words. Oh wait I know what I can do ... I can give you a new sentance to focus on. ~points down to the bold text~ That one sentance should be enough for you to see that I wasn't trying to offend.
Pestilence I do have respect for people and again your words show me you didn't read a damn thing I said. I explained my point of view in the last couple of posts. If you couldn't in the posts see that I meant no disrespect and just made some good points ... backed up my point of view, then I am sorry you did not seem to get where I was coming from.
Anyway, Zorbels perhaps I was to abit to quick to say people could have issues. Who is really to say? Indeed you are correct. I still feel that way though. I think it is unhealthy. I apologise for my choice of words if in fact anyone was offened besides Pestilence. I do not however take back the disturbing comment. I meant it when I said ...
The person on the other end could not be who you think it is. I think that in fact is DISTRUBING, especially since this game allows minors.
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I think this is a fascinating thread.
From my perspective, I actually quite like that I don't have to reveal anything about me as a person in real life, and conversely do not know anything about other players in real life, and can therefore concentrate on the roleplaying. It makes it much cleaner than I am used to from roleplaying in live action events and tabletop, where time and again I've seen people react to me as a player rather than react to the character, particularly if the two aren't that congruent.
This is not because I am sinister and evil in real life TM - it's just nice to have that distance! :)
Having said that, it's also nice to play a female character without worrying about whether you have missed out on all the cool romance quests, as often can be the case in CRPGs. That's quite refreshing.
Gesene.
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i wouldn't mind to learn the persons behind the computers, doesn't bother me at all, i have seen the faces behind the players thread but my rp remain the same.
if someone uses planeshift to get in contact with miners that's just sick, sick i say
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if someone uses planeshift to get in contact with miners that's just sick, sick i say
That doesnt only count for useing planeshift...
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Your last post seems to be still directed to my first post. I guess you won't be able to understand until you move past the first post I made and read the following posts to come. I have addressed your issue but you ignore it.
you didn't read a damn thing I said.
I have read your posts Sarff and I didn't comment on your arguments becuase I felt it had nothing to do with the words you chose to use and keep using. You say you don't want to offend, but as they say actions tell more then words.
I think it is unhealthy. I apologise for my choice of words if in fact anyone was offened besides Pestilence. I do not however take back the disturbing comment. I meant it when I said ...
You say you think I am offended, but that doesn't seem to matter to you. You haven't changed your choice of words and you seem to make a point to say "besides Pestilence" what is offending in itself in my opinion. How many people exactly need to be offended before it matters?
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I have read your posts Sarff and I didn't comment on your arguments becuase I felt it had nothing to do with the words your choice to use and keep using. You say you don't want to offend, but as they say actions tell more then words.
Whatever. You just picked out two words you didn't like and took it from there. You keep going and going and going .... You said you peace in three posts before, must you keep on about this?
I think it is unhealthy. I apologise for my choice of words if in fact anyone was offened besides Pestilence. I do not however take back the disturbing comment. I meant it when I said ...
You say you think I am offended, but that doesn't seem to matter to you. You haven't changed your choice of words and you seem to make a point to say "besides Pestilence" what is offending in itself in my opinion. How many people exactly need to be offended before it matters?
Thats because your looking at it that way. Don't flatter yourself Prestilence, I wasn't sitting there trying to think of skillful ways to offend you. You took that sentance the wrong way. Big surprise. I am not going to even bother explaining because it won't be read or read correctly for that matter. Your just looking for something to pick apart. Have fun, find someone else to over analyze.
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Sarff you don't understand or more likely chose not to understand what I am saying.
It's not about those two words. It's about the disrespect to other people that is shown in your posts that are reflected in that first post and also in your following posts eventhough it's less in there I admit, but if I was really nitpicking it would be easy to get phrases out those posts that show the same disrespect.
You semiappolagize but go right ahead with it and on top of that you acuse me of being the rude one. I haven't called you names or anything of the sort and if you don't want me to keep replying it might be a good idea to not keep refering to me by name even.
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Take your personal fights to PMs, ... remember we are talking about why/why not people should play characters which differ greatly from themselves, not about a sentence that might show offence if someone might understand it wrongly. If you need to go at each other's throats do so in PMs.
Back on topic:
I wasnt saying that men and women are all different, but still I think that a woman can do the best job at playing a woman to be beliveable (or vice versa), ..., as said before I actually bow before everyone who can play a role that is different from himself, and still make it beliveable.
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I haven't called you names or anything of the sort and if you don't want me to keep replying it might be a good idea to not keep refering to me by name even.
??? I don't believe I have called you a name either so why did that come up? No wait don't answer that .... Anyway enough already. Your post says what the rest of them do. You haven't made any new points. Just the same one over and over. Again I say, find someone else to over analyze. My point of view still stands and I still feel the same way as I felt when I first posted in this thread. Had I known you would flip out over certian words I might have used them differently. I was never trying to offend anyone and had stated so a couple of times. Get the point already as you seem to be the only one offended.
What happened in my eyes: I posted my opinion, you Pestilence followed up with a post I felt was rude explaining that maybe I shouldn't say those things in that manner as people might take offence. I posted a response explaining why I felt that way so that people WOULDN'T feel offened. It should have been left there.
Either way Cyl is right if you would like to continue this PM me otherwise just let it go already.
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People are probably going to be better role-playing their own gender. :sweatdrop:
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People are probably going to be better role-playing their own gender. :sweatdrop:
not allways...best example I can think of is my girlfriend, who is constantly mistaken for a guy online (and quite often offline). She is pretty much always in the "one of the boys" category...though in MMOs she usually chooses what she plays based on its pervabillity factor
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Ah well i always fall in love with the female characters that walk up to me ingame, ( and that falling in love is irl ) but hell i do the same with any girl irl giving me the time of day. In the end its all good for some fun. If that female responds right then i surely will get butterfly's in my stomach, but after i turn of my computer i've forgotten all about her, untill i meet her ingame the next time. And in the end its all roleplay. It's not like going to a bar and chatting up a girl. There you can always end up in bed with her, Here its just in your fantasy, and you KNOW that if you fantasise about a girl from PS there is a big chance of it actually being a guy. Does that make you gay? well it depends, if you picture yourself a nice beatifull blonde or brunette while you fantasise i'd say no. Now if you start fantasising about a big hairy fellow bending you over....
In the end you have just as much chance of getting tricked as you do in a chatbox, msn, aol, SMS-text messages, emails or letters. Some people are just sick and will go out of their way to trick you. And don't come on with that nonsense about camming to make sure. My own hair is pretty long and i have a slender built, i actually get mistaken for a girl in real life often enough. ( And i can tell you thats messed up ! ) So all i need to do is put up some mascara, have a good shave and set a soft focus on my cam, and you can bet that you will think me a very cute / beautifull girl. There are tons of ways to trick us guys into thinking that you are a girl. If you want to avoid the dissapointement don't fall in love with someone you don't know. Or have a nice relationship with someone far away that you won't ever see. If its a guy so what, just as long as you don't know you're safe enough. Simply refuse to send or recieve photographs / pictures etc. Let your imagination do all the work.