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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Shava Rromani on May 30, 2006, 04:19:45 pm
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I was just wondering, is there any way to oust a guildmaster who isn't doing their job? There is a guild master who has not even been in the world for 2 months. There is one who is "holding down the fort" as it were, but they have tired of waiting for the guild master's return. The guild is falling apart without leadership. Can we just get rid of the current master???
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Hi,
Sadly the easiest way to do this would be for all people to leave the guild so there are under 5 members so you can disband the guild they work hard to remake the guild at sometime.
Illori
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Hi,
Sadly the easiest way to do this would be for all people to leave the guild so there are under 5 members so you can disband the guild they work hard to remake the guild at sometime.
Illori
A lot of the time, this isn't possible because the guild master will have himself and four alts in the guild. You'll have to get a new name - like "Ruby Reign" instead of Janner's Way.
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I was just wondering, is there any way to oust a guildmaster who isn't doing their job? There is a guild master who has not even been in the world for 2 months. There is one who is "holding down the fort" as it were, but they have tired of waiting for the guild master's return. The guild is falling apart without leadership. Can we just get rid of the current master???
The only thing you can do is leave the guild and take your friends with you if you don't like how the guild master is doing things. The way I look at it is, that person took the time to put together the guild and has the right to do whatever they wish (with in reason of course) with the guild. If they go inactive because of real life duties or just boredom from the game, then the polite thing to do would be hand over leadership to someone else, or have one of your stronger members in the guild keep things going until the guild master can return. It is not fair however to sabotage the guild that you didn't make just because you don't like how it is running. If this is the case I think leaving and making your own guild would be the right solution.
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Hi,
Sadly the easiest way to do this would be for all people to leave the guild so there are under 5 members so you can disband the guild they work hard to remake the guild at sometime.
Illori
A lot of the time, this isn't possible because the guild master will have himself and four alts in the guild. You'll have to get a new name - like "Ruby Reign" instead of Janner's Way.
Lets get one thing strait smarty pants i left game because of YOU so get of my back they wonted to stay together so formed there own guild. so your post has little meaning to what is being talked about.
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Hi,
Sadly the easiest way to do this would be for all people to leave the guild so there are under 5 members so you can disband the guild they work hard to remake the guild at sometime.
Illori
A lot of the time, this isn't possible because the guild master will have himself and four alts in the guild. You'll have to get a new name - like "Ruby Reign" instead of Janner's Way.
Lets get one thing strait smarty pants i left game because of YOU so get of my back they wonted to stay together so formed there own guild. so your post has little meaning to what is being talked about.
You didn't leave the game because of me. You were bothering me, then you left because of multiple factors, and then you came back and blamed me for everything because you didn't want anyone to think less of you. I brought up Ruby Reign as an example of a successful guild of members who carried on even after their guild leader left the game without putting someone else in charge.
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I was just wondering, is there any way to oust a guildmaster who isn't doing their job? There is a guild master who has not even been in the world for 2 months. There is one who is "holding down the fort" as it were, but they have tired of waiting for the guild master's return. The guild is falling apart without leadership. Can we just get rid of the current master???
AS normal you don't read first post and spout of at the mouth about your whim. there it is again read it .
YOU and only YOU were the reason i left.
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I was just wondering, is there any way to oust a guildmaster who isn't doing their job? There is a guild master who has not even been in the world for 2 months. There is one who is "holding down the fort" as it were, but they have tired of waiting for the guild master's return. The guild is falling apart without leadership. Can we just get rid of the current master???
AS normal you don't read first post and spout of at the mouth about your whim. there it is again read it .
YOU and only YOU were the reason i left.
Hmm. Sounds personal, like the kind of thing that would be best sent as a PM?
"You demonize so you don't look so bad."
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YOU and only YOU were the reason i left.
Getting driven away by Zanzy, a new level of player looking for an excuse to leave without putting a dent in their own repumatation...*cough*
Anyway, the impeachment of a guildmaster (correct that) should definantly be implemented because it's so damn realistic. Imagine with me,
You spend two years growing this guild, and it's huge, successful, an undesputed power in Yliakum...One day you come around and click on the guild tab to change the MOTD, and WHAM! "You are not currently in a guild. 20,000 tria etc." That would own, crushing a mans work and turning against a leader. It rocks, it rocks! Quick, give us an "Impeachment Vote" option!
EDIT: Fixed gramatical errors making me look like a bit less of an idiot. That sentance was wrong :/
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An "Impeachment Vote" option would be interesting, and entirely role-playable. I can think of many organizations which were "taken over" in such a way. It's backhanded, but realistic.
And I don't think it's fair to say that Janner isn't "dedicated" to the game. He's clocked more in-game time than any of us. The reasons behind his temporary absense were complex.
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@zanzibar: as janner said this isn't about janners way.. it's about the guild shava is currently in which i believe is called "helping hand"
@shava: update yourself at www.guildlisting.com to see about the current guilds ;).
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@zanzibar: as janner said this isn't about janners way.. it's about the guild shava is currently in which i believe is called "helping hand"
Since when did I say it was about Janner's way?
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it was because the discussion about that went on, let's keep on topic please... please resort to pm's if you have anything further to say to me zanz, i will ignore further OT(off-topic) posts
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it was because the discussion about that went on, let's keep on topic please... please resort to pm's if you have anything further to say to me zanz, i will ignore further OT(off-topic) posts
??? You've lost me. I thought it was Janner.
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hmm think a vote would be a good option, but not sure how you would be able to do that without a chance of misuse.
For example you have a second in command and he has his followers and he wants to take over. Impossible now but if the impeachement would be in place he would only have to delete all oposing members till he has a majority in his followers and win the vote. Also what would stop a guildmaster from deleting the one oposing him if he finds out? Big chance one person atleast will drop him an email and suddenly TADA the guildmaster returns from his inactivity.
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hmm think a vote would be a good option, but not sure how you would be able to do that without a chance of misuse.
For example you have a second in command and he has his followers and he wants to take over. Impossible now but if the impeachement would be in place he would only have to delete all oposing members till he has a majority in his followers and win the vote. Also what would stop a guildmaster from deleting the one oposing him if he finds out? Big chance one person atleast will drop him an email and suddenly TADA the guildmaster returns from his inactivity.
DUH. It's called a coup d'etat.
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hmm think a vote would be a good option, but not sure how you would be able to do that without a chance of misuse.
For example you have a second in command and he has his followers and he wants to take over. Impossible now but if the impeachement would be in place he would only have to delete all oposing members till he has a majority in his followers and win the vote. Also what would stop a guildmaster from deleting the one oposing him if he finds out? Big chance one person atleast will drop him an email and suddenly TADA the guildmaster returns from his inactivity.
Well that's the point, really. It may not seem nice, a guild master deleting a second in charge becausse he opposes him, but it's oh so realistic. The whole second deleting everyone, if the guild master has suspicions, he should take away the remove permission. If the second get's this all done behind hid back, more power to him! Exactly what Zanzibar said, replacing the top ranking members and booting the old. Backhanded, but real.
I may make a wishlist thread about this one...
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Well that's the point, really. It may not seem nice, a guild master deleting a second in charge becausse he opposes him, but it's oh so realistic.
Yup. It's happened to me on more than one occassion.:)
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Hey, just a thought... what if there was a voting system that would allow members to boot the leader after a certain amount of time. Say for example the leader quits PS and isnt seen for a long time. The members could vote him out after 2 months, or it could go by IG time.
I dont like the idea of being able to be overthrown. If a leader creates a successful guild then why cant he/she keep it? I mean yes it is realistic to lose power but I think that if a person is loseing their power they should atleast be allowed to stay in the guild and try and regain leadership, regain the trust of the others.
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If a leader creates a successful guild then why cant he/she keep it?
Politics, betrayal, subterfuge.
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Well I stabbing in the back I don't mind, but the deleting of most members to get a majority of the vote seems way to much as taking advantage of the gamemechanics. I mean in reality he might be able to do this over time but most groups would have rules about when someone could be kicked out so he would never be able to kick out the majority of the group like that.
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Well..not really taking advantage of game mechanics, and I hate how everything is labeled as that.
Guild Masters View: He can delete most, it's his guild. whatever he says, goes.
Second in charge: The deletion of many members is easily roleplayable. Here's one senario I can think of, the second holds council with the guild master and tells him that a few low ranks are planning to impeach him. He ask for permission to remove these traitors, and so removes all the good guys, and leaves baddies, (This is if the second is bright, and the guild master is an idiot.)
Also, mass murder, expulsion, it's all happened before. So, deleting a majority can be done in an RP way, and doesn't really abuse game mechanics...If you're overthrowing a guild, why care about the rules of deleting people? It's do it all the way or die at that point.
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Well true not saying it would be impossible but it would be way hard to do something like that and if you have a gamemechanic like that instead it would be way easy.
And thats when I feel it is misuse when there is no connection anymore to how hard it should be and how hard it actualy is.
So would like to see somthing like that but there should be more of a threshhold in my opinion :)
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Wow! I didn't mean to touch off something like this! I was just after information.
Thank you all. I had obviously not thought about the whole impeachment process. It does seem that it would be entirely too easy to abuse. Although, if there were a time limit involved it might help. It just seemed sad to me that the guild could be much more than it is if the leader would just pass the torch, as it were.
Once again, thank you all.