PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vazura on June 12, 2006, 04:49:59 pm
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I'v played planeshift since the beggining and It's now starting to get old trying to find new quest and things too do. I think they should start to focuse not on graphics but more gameplay, anyone think so?
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You mean with.
Focus has no 'e' and that should be 'quests'. Many parts of the game still hold my interest.
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learn to rp....
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/me looks at the number of posts "Hmm... seven.".
/me wonders what does "begining" mean
Since the begining of what? Since the begining of the day?
Relax and keep trying then ;)
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hmmm well mentioned before I thought the devs are sometime looking to much from a gamemechanic view instead of from an RP point of view, but not getting bored myself yet. ;)
Just started an alt and RPwise it's definately another side that I played before and also training other stuff to make even more of a difference.
Plenty to do. Specially RP is endless. With the right people granted ;)
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:) I think everyone in PS goes through boredom at on point or another with anything really. Take a break for abit is one option. The other is to come up with roleplay as others suggested. Create something that you can involve others in or join into another persons roleplay. Though that might take some time in finding some who is having a roleplay but that in it's self can keep you busy.
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I often get bored too, and I just take breaks from the game, play other games, stuff like that. My breaks often last at least a month before i decide to come back. By then, much can have been changed, meaning more to do. And for an RP excuse I say I was in private training.
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From the sound of your post I'd say you're playing PS as a single player game, maybe you should try to explore the multiplayer aspect of it more and interact with other players. Join the community, join a guild or maybe even create one of your own. There is a whole lot more to PS than exploring, quests, mining or fighting.
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Well, I got tired myself for a while. It's true that after digging a lot and getting frustrated for not being able to solve the quests can be stressing. I was online almost 7 hours per day... :) But if you feel bored, them you should try roleplaying, or even aply for developer! Maybe when you start helping to develop the game you will feel much more apetite for it! ;)
P.S.: By the way, Drey, it's not very nice to just comment by correcting the english of someone. Remember there are tons of people in this forum that do not have english as their main language (as myself). And your post is somewhat rude to me, who often mispell too. I do not believe the original post was made to offend anyone. And usually, correcting spelling is something people do when they don't have anything more important to say.
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P.S.: By the way, Drey, it's not very nice to just comment by correcting the english of someone. Remember there are tons of people in this forum that do not have english as their main language (as myself). And your post is somewhat rude to me, who often mispell too. I do not believe the original post was made to offend anyone. And usually, correcting spelling is something people do when they don't have anything more important to say.
Well, as it goes.... This guy posts his opinions, he gets to hear mine.
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You are free to express your opinions! Please do! :)
Just please do not do it by correcting spelling! That is not an opinion and if affects other people who feel ashamed enough not to post again in fear the spelling police will come to hunt you... :'( Please?
:)
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That's just the way Drey is. Trying to change him is trying to move mountains ;D
What do you mean by "gameplay," Vazura? I think I can assure you that a lot of work has been and still is being done - maybe not as fast as everyone would want, but I'm sure that we are all very understanding due to the nature of this project. Besides, there are artists on the team who need something to do - so graphics will always be worked on :}
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With so much going on in PS I usually take a break to get away from all the running around!! ;D
After both the last two big rps Anfa took a trip to the Wyldewood to vacation. Introduce a new char and see the world from a different point of view... :thumbup:
I would suggest if not joining a guild, at least become close to a few of them. There are always things going on within and around the guilds that you could probably join in on!!
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People always say roleplay to people who are bored with the game. I roleplay all the time, and even I get bored. I make about 7 alts, each with their own personality, quest, object, looks, everything, but it just gets so boring. I have no feel for the game, like I have no personality and am just acting. I can't get in sync with my characters, because half the things I may want to say or talk about never existed. I have to do so much studying on the history, and on what may or may not be in Yliakum. It takes a lot more work to roleplay than people may think, and to me after doing this with 7 characters, I'm tired of it. That's why I hope to apply for the GM team, to do more than just roleplay, I can give others tips, or maybe teach someone the game basics. Setup real events instead of ones that people never pay attention to, etc.
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You're right about that. I think setting up cool events and have lots of people RP with you is really cool, but only so much people can be GM's.
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One day I wanna grow up to be a gm. *Zorbels blinks with an innocent look*
Very good point Suno.
I think most people resort to saying roleplay because most don't and so now most of us just assume. They come in game, hack and slash and do quests. When that is all done then they complain of boredom not realising that they never gave roleplay a chance. Plus it would be nice if half of these people who claim they are bored to start setting up roleplays and events. You don't need Gm's to do it. I can tell you this because I have done it and I am not a Gm. I also had no help from them. I know this much.... if you are having a good roleplay, you won't be bored. You will look at your watch and think "Holy crap where did the time go?"
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I haven't read most of these posts but I used to play PS, though I haven't returned since then and instead contribute in my own little ways ;) I'm sure you've seen the Kran Alastone Alabast screaming out his loyal duties to what's good and all that crap, Alabast used to give away all his stuff to the poor and needy(newbies) and he felt very happy for his call.
Alastone actually spoke to Zorbels once, using his most loved poems. unluckily Zorbels hand was already taken by a mighty a potentially dangerous man so the Kran backed off :P
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Zorbels, of course it's possible so set an event up without being a GM, but GM's do have some very handy tools at their exposal. ;)
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I feel the big problem is I see alot of RP but only with the mosy popular members, I rarley ever see a popular member actaully getting a newcomer involved. I have played this game 7 months and I have not been in that many RP events. I get bored alot, I am bored right now, but I fixed that by making my own tournement. I also anounce every once in a while about it. I am trying to get as many involved as possible to make this game more fun. But its true though when I do read about RPs its only about the big charecters in this game. You wanna have more fun then try getting others involved is what I say. Don't create an RP event and just list it on the fourms, actaully go around and ask some people if they would like to perticepate, of course in /tells and with brackets. But trust me you will get alot more people RPing if you all would just do this.
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I feel the big problem is I see alot of RP but only with the mosy popular members, I rarley ever see a popular member actaully getting a newcomer involved. I have played this game 7 months and I have not been in that many RP events.
You see this statement I have a problem with and have both read it in game and on the forums from many different players. (Not you personally Lilie .. just so that we are clear :) ) Why is it up to the big players to involve the new comers? Why can they not get active themselves? Though it is nice to have a big name guide you around and show you the ropes, sometimes the big names just want to have fun roleplaying and not catering to newbies. You don't need an invitation to join into a roleplay, unless requested not to as it may be a private roleplay. I was a newbie once. I didn't get to where I am because I sat around waiting for people to include me in their roleplays. I toured the guilds forums and sent greetings to them. I tried to watch the forums for updates as to when a roleplay was going on. I net worked with the big names in the game to get involved with their roleplays. I wrote a story so that people could read up on who I was. Most of all when a big roleplay was going on I included myself and offered my help, or my sword or my two trias .... I never relied on anyone to include me but me. Basically communication, getting to know people and being an interesting character yourself will help you to join in with roleplays that are going on around you.
Also I have seen alot of the big names get newcomers invovled. It isn't easy to take on a new comer unless they are a quick learner. All the OOC comments and questions tend to ruin the mood and off set the roleplay. I think it is best for new comers to get used to the world (game) and also watch the experienced players to see how they are roleplaying. It might give that new comer an idea of how they want to present their character. I would also like to add that a character isn't born over night. It takes time to create a personality.
@ThomPhornix: lol .... so true. You can definitely have more options with the aid of a gm.
@Belark: I remember that .... it was a very nice poem. :-[
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Interesting comments on both sides.
Fighting- got bored after two minutes and started teasing the Death Guardian 'till he ate me. Mining- perish the thought. I have other plans for that. Quests- never got past "Do you have a quest." NPCs irritate the hell out of me. RPing- I checked my logs, and started RPing nine minutes after joining, which started a grand story that lasted over six months and involved several of my characters that I created along the way. Truthfully, I only get bored if I can not find people. I involve anyone that will speak up, or I can get my hands on. I even forced some powerlevelers to RP last week while they pummeled that poor rogue. The fun for me is making the world come alive, and see how your characters will react to it. Others find pummeling things the funnest. *shrugs*
Different folks are going to find differing things boring. That is the way of it.
So far, the most fun I have had is spitting at everyone within distance with Krook and trying to get folks to -not- like him, and as Aeshion, the sweetest Diabolia you will ever meet, and the mutest. Folks have to work hard to understand her, but I have never had anyone complain yet, and she offten becomes the center of attention. :)
And that concludes this session of 'Random thoughts from the Moon'.
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One day I wanna grow up to be a gm. *Zorbels blinks with an innocent look*
Very good point Suno.
I think most people resort to saying roleplay because most don't and so now most of us just assume. They come in game, hack and slash and do quests. When that is all done then they complain of boredom not realising that they never gave roleplay a chance. Plus it would be nice if half of these people who claim they are bored to start setting up roleplays and events. You don't need Gm's to do it. I can tell you this because I have done it and I am not a Gm. I also had no help from them. I know this much.... if you are having a good roleplay, you won't be bored. You will look at your watch and think "Holy crap where did the time go?"
Well I've tried to setup a few events, but most of them were ignored. For example my birthday party event, or the mitaki memory-loss event. I mean the birthday was especially disappointing because someone was in the tavern saying "who's birthday is it again?" which made me feel like none of my friends were there, but just people there for the heck of it. There was barely any roleplay or anything, just a few people talking about something else and a Klyros running in circles around the room. GM events are payed attention to closer, and at least then I could get something going.
EDIT: About the popular players comment, I actually agree. It seems people who are ingame a lot (coughzorbelscough) get more attention when speaking, or are being based on a bigger spot in the RP. I mean, my character Xidus in the shadow in the hills RP was mostly ignored by the other side. No one knew who I was, but I had played a big part in the RP. No one payed attention to me because I hadn't been ingame a while. Same thing with events. Monk was ingame more than me, and when he made that event he had a lot of friends at his disposal to help him do it, OOC and IC. Me however, I barely know who my friends are, since they're mostly IC. Each of my characters has a personality of their own, but I pretty much have no friends OOC (All I can remember is Narita, Setill, Farren, and Aradia). Since Monk has all these friends, his RP can be supported and a crowd gathered up by a long boring post on the forums.
I've been around a lot, and with many different characters. After experiencing PS roleplay I've liked to roleplay in other games as well. It's a great game, but barely anyone knows me anymore. It seems like it's this way just because I don't go ingame much. If I made a character named Suno, maybe people would actually recognize me, I don't know. But you're right, it seems like more "popular" or 8-hour-a-day game-players get more respect when it comes to events or just simple chat.
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My current way out of boredom:
Get new challenges!
Start a new alternative character. Learn how hard it is now to develop him, compared to the days when many bugs could be used (like looting weapons worth a week's loot today). Join a guild that has quests for members who want to be promoted. Make a character with a complicated life situation. Join groups of roleplaying people (and before: find them), or make your own great plot and invite other players.
Do you need more ideas?
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@ Suno:
You might have more friends if you knew them... ;)
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It seems people who are ingame a lot (coughzorbelscough) get more attention when speaking, or are being based on a bigger spot in the RP.
Really unnecessary to single me out, especially when your information is very clearly wrong .....
I actually am not in game much anymore. I spend maybe about two three hours, each day for two days out of the week maybe three. Sometimes a little more when I have time and sometimes a little less.
I would be careful how you word things as you seem to be sounding a tad jealous (call me crazy but that is how I read your post, and if I am wrong I apologise ahead of time but I do and will speak my mind if I feel the need to. In this case I feel the need). The shadows roleplay I had a sub story. It was my own babe that I dreamed up. It was on the spot and I am sure it took Proglin by surprised and I didn't know monk at all. I finally got introduced to him through this roleplay. I was the main character in that story I created but never once did I not invite people in. I had never meet pash before ... yet there he took a huge role in curing me. I also never want the spotlight all to myself. I like to share it. There are many players that I find who like to hog the spotlight at times(cough_any_cough_of_cough_Suno_characters_cough) and maybe that is why their stories might not be as successful. In the RP superthread developing in PS now!, I noticed you made more OOC comments then you did taking the time to apply your stories to the thread. I have seen your story writing and have read many of them. What I don't understand ... is why you wouldn't want to have those roleplays/stories told and on the forums after they took place in game. I wonder how much of a role you really did play in that story line, as I never heard of or knew you were roleplaying in it. So tell me is it my fault because I didn't run around and find out what was going on with you and your roleplay? Or was it you who didn't make the public aware by participating in the thread like the rest of us. This was the point of my post before .... it isn't the big names responsible for you to be well known and well informed, it is you. You get treated with respect towards your character by earning it.
Suno you were also in part of my shadows sub story roleplay. You hide outside my bedroom door ... listening in on the roleplay as everyone thought I was dieing. I invited you into the room (trying to include you) and all you did was go off about yourself and your god Vodul and then took off. You didn't take advantage of the situation or try to get involved. A good example of who did is the character Esseda. She traveled to the tavern as soon as she heard the news (informing herself). She offered her help and services (establishing a place in the roleplay). She also tried to figure out what was going on and tried to come up with a solution (helped the story line along). Notice that by the end of the shadows story she was one of the big names in the roleplay. That was because she earned it and took the time to involve herself. (and as far as I know she doesn't play for crazy amounts of hours either.)
For all the reasons I stated above in my last post ... I feel is why I am heard and noticed (Not because I am so called "popular" or spend huge amounts of time in game). I give that back, I hear and notice other people. I support their characters in my stories as they support mine in theirs. I am truly interested in their characters and what goes on in Ylaikum and in their stories. Over all I earned what Zorbels has for a reputation.
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Zorbels, you speak my mind. I, too, read Suno's post as jealousy. I know similar reactions on Rilar's "popularity" (i hate that word), but in (PlaneShift-) RP, as I always emphasize, everyone is ones own dungeon master and responsible for the own fun, but also that everyone participating has just as much fun.
Fun however is a wide field. A good RPer is able to make others laugh in one minute, cry in the other, build up a horrible scaring scenery and noone knowing what could happen in the next second, raise other peoples curiousity in order to make them _ask_, directing the attention on specific things.
However, in an RP session theres always one or the other person trying to demonstrate skills, to be in the spotlight. As good RPer you need to give them this opportunity, take a step back, give up the spotlight for a minute. This gesture shows more generousity than anything and is most appreciated. You will gain real respect as RPer only by such gestures.
On the "only as GM you can do good events" I have to respond as GM: not true.
Everything a GM can do can be improvised in RP. It only takes phantasy and effort to develop a workaround. As Rilar, I ran a number of "events" without GM help at all, drawing just as much attention than "official" events. However, it is true that you'll need help to run good events. But there my advise is to get over the jealousy and ask exactly those "popular" persons you ranted about. They probably will be able to help you, if not with ideas, then with their "popularity" (asking more people to help in).
About the boredom:
PS can be the most boring place on earth.. *pokes Ralas with the memory of doing nonsense in the "corner of fools"* and it can be the most challenging, interesting, even exhausting place on earth. I myself needed to take brakes from RP as it become simply too much for me to bare.
As already in another thread said: try to get involved with other peoples RP; if you know someone who is known as good RPer, work out a plotidea and present it to him/her, realise it with help. Take on help, but don't expect it.
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@ThomPhornix: lol .... so true. You can definitely have more options with the aid of a gm.
Oh my god, she called ThomPhornix!
Muuum!!! :'(
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Heh, just because you are a GM, events dont just happen as im sure kerol will tell you ;)
And...
Over all I earned what Zorbels has for a reputation.
I earnt mine too :p also, once again gratz zorbels.
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Heh, just because you are a GM, events dont just happen as im sure kerol will tell you ;)
*tells this exactly* >o)
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My current way out of boredom:
Get new challenges!
Start a new alternative character. Learn how hard it is now to develop him, compared to the days when many bugs could be used (like looting weapons worth a week's loot today). Join a guild that has quests for members who want to be promoted. Make a character with a complicated life situation. Join groups of roleplaying people (and before: find them), or make your own great plot and invite other players.
Do you need more ideas?
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@ Suno:
You might have more friends if you knew them... ;)
That's exactly what I do and I'm sure you know that. So many different characters, and each one of them I'm just bored with. No matter what I try to do, I think the main reason I'm bored with the game is because of lag, anyway. It's just impossible to play. =/
EDIT: I'm too lazy to quote, but about the jealousy thing: You may be right, but the main point I'm trying to make is that some names are more well known than others. Maybe it's because you participate in more RP's? I don't know, but I'd like an RP that I make, or an RP that I participate in to at least know who I am, instead of mixing me into a heap of new players joining to see what an event's like. That's pretty much what happened in the shadow in the hills event. And actually, Zorbels, a lot of those things did happen. Such as Mitaki's entire story (except for the history) for example. And what I had Xidus feel as the RP progressed. The first two stories, if not just the first, will be something that has not happened ingame, and may just be history that can't be acted out due to it being in the past, or the character's childhood. I can't have them grow up that fast. But the main point is, these things do happen ingame, and anyone who pays attention to my actions ingame would know that.
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/me grabs the GREAt Yliakum Dictionary and moves on to the B section....
" balcony....
...Balonik....
....Best....
....brothers....
....Bo..
Ah! Bordom: Mythical happening that once was thought up in a different dimension and time called RL. Not much is known about this realm. Boredom is something un-known to the people in Yliakum.
/me nods and walk out of the library.
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Boredom is actually a feeling, Proglin. Like there's something missing, or something you'd wish to do but can't. Well I'm too lazy to get a dictionary for it, but that's what I think. It can exist, just like crying, happiness, etc. can exist.
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You know, I have found many interests in PS, alot of things are often overlooked when someone is whining that they are bored.
For example, I have a few player sponsored quests that I do for newbies, they can earn a pair of daggers instead of begging for a weapon or trias, Sometimes I run around the sewers healing people, if you learn to talk to NPC's there is alot you can learn about PS.
I love to PvP even though its aggravating as hell and sometimes I will find a partner to spar with.
Now, if your'e a lazy typer your'e going to get bored pretty fast in PS. Suno, I don't know where you got the idea you were ignored in the Shadows RP, Satayne acknowledged Xidus and when he heard Xidus was a nuetral party in the battle, there wasn't much left. Sat also met Mitaki once when he was new and was ignored by him so I guess it works both ways.
I'm sure it was just chat that was missed, anyways...the only reason some characters seem to be more the focus of roleplay is because they interact with roleplay scenarios. When Satayne was new to Yliakum noone held my or his hand and guided him to and through roleplays. You have to seek it out. This game is what you make of it. I have often set quests for myself as well. Maybe I set a goal of obtaining 6 trepor hearts for myself or set a goal to help acclimate a newbie or give them a tour. Have you ever thought about teaching a roleplaying class? There are so many possibilities if one is creative.
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I know similar reactions on Rilar's "popularity" (i hate that word)
I agree, I dislike the word myself.
@ThomPhoenix: :'( I am sowwies. Gah ... I did it again. *Zorbels is put in the corner for a time out*
@Drey: Thanks Drey *Gives drey a huge chocolate chip cookie*
Zorbels, a lot of those things did happen.
:) Yes I am sure it does as nothing in life is perfect. Believe it or not I have had alot of rolepalys I have tried fail. The key is to learn from your mistakes and what you are doing that you could be doing better. For example .... take a look at what is going on around you when you start a roleplay. If there are huge events already going on, you might want to wait till Yliakum quiets down as your story might not be the focus of attention. Don't pick and choose favorite players to take the major role's ... save a few of the important roles for new comers or people you don't normally play with. Always be willing to bend and change your story and accept anyone into your roleplay. This includes enemies ... and it spices it up. If people are not into your roleplays ask what it is you can do to improve it. Nine times out of ten it isn't the people who are ignoring you, it is something YOU might be doing to drive them away. It is all to easy to blame others, but very difficult to look in the mirror and see that the faults in the roleplays might be caused by you and in some cases you alone.
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I find it's quite easy to get bored while in PS. When there's hardly anyone on, and everyone that is on is snobbing your character or making it impossable for them to be in the same room/area (Harlohim recently has been snobbed out of several things recently) and you end up walking around. You try to talk to people but the're not interrested. Your character doesn't believe in PvP and mining is a bore.
so what's left?
gathering mushrooms while reading wikipedia and hoping one of your friends comes online, or a person that can stand the boredom of mining gold will stop by and start talking to you.
I don't think it's as simple as learning to roleplay, my characters are allways themselves (even the one I started but didn't really enjoy too much). I've found that many people jump to a conclusion of "she isn't in a guild, so she must be a n00b" while totally missing the beer mug and full leather armour (which takes a person a while to get unless the're a really good beggar) and not thinking that she may not be in a guild by choice (have had a fair few offers, though turned them all down)
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Vialik, If you see me in game feel free to approach me, I'm not a snob , just busy sometimes, I will be more than happy show you what I meant in my last post.
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Vialik, If you see me in game feel free to approach me, I'm not a snob , just busy sometimes, I will be more than happy show you what I meant in my last post.
Snob is a bit too harsh, I suppose the problem is that people tend to be busy at the same time.
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I don't think it's as simple as learning to roleplay, my characters are allways themselves (even the one I started but didn't really enjoy too much). I've found that many people jump to a conclusion of "she isn't in a guild, so she must be a n00b" while totally missing the beer mug and full leather armour (which takes a person a while to get unless the're a really good beggar) and not thinking that she may not be in a guild by choice (have had a fair few offers, though turned them all down)
Believe me if you have played long enough you come to know who is a newbie and who is not. You can just tell by the text and the way they handle their character. I myself have never assumed that a person must be a newbie because they are not in a guild. I went rogue for awhile from my guild. I enjoyed my time alone but missed them dearly and rejoined with them.
:) Vialick if you ever are bored and want to roleplay and I am avalible I would more than love to. I find it keeps my interest in PS to meet new people and create stories with them. See you around Yliakum.
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Indeed. Such as one would never be foolish enough to think of Verrliit as a noob. She has probably had offers from almost every guild, including mine, all of which have been turned down. I judge noobishness by the way the person plays, how they act, if they use proper ooc/ic dividing with brackets for ooc...
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Indeed. Such as one would never be foolish enough to think of Verrliit as a noob. She has probably had offers from almost every guild, including mine, all of which have been turned down. I judge noobishness by the way the person plays, how they act, if they use proper ooc/ic dividing with brackets for ooc...
I do wish it were allways that way. I mean it's nice that people try to help those that they assume to be n00bs, though I've found that after a few times of having people trying to give you rat parts and telling you to sell them to merchants that it gets a tad offensive.
Vialick if you ever are bored and want to roleplay and I am avalible I would more than love to. I find it keeps my interest in PS to meet new people and create stories with them. See you around Yliakum.
believe me, I do intend to take you up on that offer.
Oh, and I do believe I may not have worded my inital post very well. I generally don't find it boring, but it is quite easy to get bored, especially when it's quiet, and everyone who's on is just wanting to level up or do who knows what...
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So many different characters, and each one of them I'm just bored with.
:( What a pity that we all are only average players, compared to your expectations... :(
But we are not a community of story authors and theater actors only.
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I believe Suno was talking about being bored with his alts.
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I believe Suno was talking about being bored with his alts.
Hmm, sounds possible... In this case: :oops:
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@vialick: My suggestion would be to meet some new people instead of pickin gup mushrooms and waiting for thoose you always walk around with, you can meet me any time if you want, Peacer is always up for a chat which makes pl'ing quite hard :P. And people giving you rat parts telling you where to sell them because you are not in a guild is a bit... umm i can't find a word for it but maybe they are bein the noobs XD.
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@vialick: My suggestion would be to meet some new people instead of pickin gup mushrooms and waiting for thoose you always walk around with, you can meet me any time if you want, Peacer is always up for a chat which makes pl'ing quite hard :P. And people giving you rat parts telling you where to sell them because you are not in a guild is a bit... umm i can't find a word for it but maybe they are bein the noobs XD.
The mushroom thing sortta started as a hobby...but with almost 80 in her bag, harlohim's somewhat proud (well, after her recent psychotic episode I'm not sure how she views her fungi-friends...but they do still remain on sale)
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The mushroom thing sortta started as a hobby...but with almost 80 in her bag, harlohim's somewhat proud (well, after her recent psychotic episode I'm not sure how she views her fungi-friends...but they do still remain on sale)
80 mushrooms! <.< >.>
What is the price? I know a certain barkeep that may have an intrest in dried mushrooms.....and pickle brine.
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The mushroom thing sortta started as a hobby...but with almost 80 in her bag, harlohim's somewhat proud (well, after her recent psychotic episode I'm not sure how she views her fungi-friends...but they do still remain on sale)
80 mushrooms! <.< >.>
What is the price? I know a certain barkeep that may have an intrest in dried mushrooms.....and pickle brine.
the price is currently "make an offer" largely because she has no idea of how much people would want to pay for them
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I love RPing, have done it when I was a kid. Used to act out shows, and RP as one of the charecters with my friends. Also if you all remember I was going to set up a RP, Frosty Dojo vs the Fire Dojo... problem is its way to hard to get somone to actaully want the part as the leader of the fire dojo as its a big RP. Such as they are 2 guilds, which means this person would need to make the guild also would need to act out the part. So that did not work out. By the way thanks proglin for the idea on that, even if it was a long time ago :P. Now I am trying to make a new type of tournement and not one person has signed up to be part of it, noor have I gotten one person willing to help out with it. But I was expecting this, I did not get my hopes up as this is pretty new and big, a 4 day tournement is huge but more realistic in my oppinion. I have it even set up like a real tournement. By the way I think I am actually going to make a RP, a bit smaller so its easyer to get people involved lol. But I would like to know some tips from the pros. ... At these times I am so glad Skreit is not on these fourms, would be getting millions of posts. -- hehe uhh ignore that :whistling: :-X