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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Thoughtcrime on July 01, 2006, 11:48:05 pm
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With all the recent updates, obviously talk about character wipes has come up. But don't be alarmed, thankfully there will be NO wipes this time around.
However, that got me thinking: what would I do if Kae'lith was deleted? I've only been playing since April, but in that short amount of time I've been able to develop myself to the fullest, joining a guild and just overall making my niche in the game. I would probably just pick up where I left off and restablish the same character. Most people would probably make new ones, but I think, at least for a while, I would stick with Miss Kae. ;)
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There won't be a wipe with the update, but we make no guarantees about after it ;)
Since people develop their character's personalities, form friendships and join guilds, they pick up right where they left off. It's not uncommon that people start over, but it's the exception more than the rule.
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There won't be a wipe with the update, but we make no guarantees about after it ;)
Since people develop their character's personalities, form friendships and join guilds, they pick up right where they left off. It's not uncommon that people start over, but it's the exception more than the rule.
Yeah, I made sure to mention that in the post — don't want to get any PLs thinking it was the apocolypse of their fighting machines :P
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that is a very good question. I just think how some peoples story they have woven with their characters were based on, say strength for example. When wiped, the most you could do is...rp that you are strong? ::|
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There won't be a wipe with the update, but we make no guarantees about after it ;)
i think it would be good if devs told us when they're scheduling a wipe a few days in advance for rp reasons. some might want to start over with a brand new char and this way they can rp an exit for their older ones. it's just an idea.
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i think it would be good if devs told us when they're scheduling a wipe a few days in advance for rp reasons. some might want to start over with a brand new char and this way they can rp an exit for their older ones. it's just an idea.
That is the first time IMHO that someone has suggested a good reason to update us as to when the wipe may take place.
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A good suggestion, but I don't see why you can't RP an exit after the wipe either :)
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A good suggestion, but I don't see why you can't RP an exit after the wipe either :)
Gah.... karyuu and her logic. :P
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A good suggestion, but I don't see why you can't RP an exit after the wipe either :)
I jsut think it will be difficult, since the new character may not be nece sarrily related to the past one that was built up all these times, ect.
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that makes me wonder... with the wipe will chars be deleted or just sent back to their starting stats? if the first, some might just create their new chars and skip the goodbye rp... i dunno, i think it adds to the rp to have the chance to say goodbye to your maxed stats and silverweaves at the same time as the char, hehe. again, just a thought.
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With the wipe, the database will be completely cleared - characters will be deleted, and you will have to recreate them.
I forget why wipes are not announced in general - I don't see anything wrong with an announcement except massive whining, but I'm not the one controlling such policies :P
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yeah, we should rp group therapy before and after the wipe to tread wipe anxiety and post-wipe stress disorders. better yet, start a thread to whine about the wipe. you're gonna love deleting that once it has 400 posts, Karyuu :devil:
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You know... I love that idea xD
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Hmmm... If Farren were deleted... i'd start him over again and probably be just as strong as I was before the wipe :P
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One question. When this wipe happens and characters deleted, and I go back to make zorbels and the name appears to be already taken ... will I have to suck that up or can I make an issue out of it. Normally I would let it go BUT the name is very original and I take pride in it. I would hate to lose it to someone else.
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Since we definitely know Zorbels is Zorbels, should there be a case of "name-theft" it can be dealt with appropriately. Unfortunately GMs cannot extend that courtesy to everyone, as we really have no way of knowing who made "Bill Smith" first if we've never seen that name before. Chances are if you're a fairly prominant figure, your name will be defended.
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Indeed... I'm making a reservation for Farren :P
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Wow, i never thought of that. that would be bad to have to change your name. :thumbdown:
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Since we definitely know Zorbels is Zorbels, should there be a case of "name-theft" it can be dealt with appropriately. Unfortunately GMs cannot extend that courtesy to everyone, as we really have no way of knowing who made "Bill Smith" first if we've never seen that name before. Chances are if you're a fairly prominant figure, your name will be defended.
Oh thank goodness, and thanks Karyuu. :@#\ Otherwise I would be one mad Zorbels .... but I would still play PS.
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If you're posting in these forums before the wipe and making your presence known, you shouldn't have any problems :)
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Yeah... But it would suck if one of the older players like Zorbels, Constrabus, Easton, Ganinos, me, etc. got their name stolen by some noob :P
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Since we definitely know Zorbels is Zorbels, should there be a case of "name-theft" it can be dealt with appropriately. Unfortunately GMs cannot extend that courtesy to everyone, as we really have no way of knowing who made "Bill Smith" first if we've never seen that name before. Chances are if you're a fairly prominant figure, your name will be defended.
thus another reason why we should know about the wipe in advance. a "save your name" thread can be started for those who really want to make sure theirs is safe (yeah, there'll always be mean-spirited cheaters and names that are come from literature, other games or movies have a higher risk of getting stolen unintentionally but at least we can prevent a few sad surprises this way).
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Zhai, your really pushing for this In Advance thing, :D
but yea, i mean, i know im not very pronounced, or well known, but i am attached to my character, and i would not liek it to be stolen. That thread for saved names is a good idea.
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I like the idea...
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A thread wouldn't achieve a lot, really. Someone could come in and "claim" a name in such a thread of someone who never visits the forums, and they wouldn't be able to defend themselves. Besides, you can start such a thread now - I don't see why you have to know of the wipe in advance to do that.
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Because if we do it in advance we'll look like those people out on the streets with signs saying it's the end of the world.
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yeah, we should rp group therapy before and after the wipe to tread wipe anxiety and post-wipe stress disorders. better yet, start a thread to whine about the wipe. you're gonna love deleting that once it has 400 posts, Karyuu :devil:
I could see us all sitting in a circle with a therapist...
Me: My name is Kae'lith, and i'm a wipeaholic.
Group: Hello, Kaelith.
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wouldn't it ba a wipephobic?
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nah... it would be a victim of wipe anxiety...
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started ps: made a drey char.
wipe: made a new drey char.
didnt like the post wider drey: made a new drey char
gm reshuffle: made a new drey char.
:p
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For the name reservation- could a form be made, like the simple webpages made for the MB->CB switch? Just submit your account name/password and which characters you want to reserve. Then there would have to be some check in character creation, post wipe, to make sure the name is in the reserved list and (if so) that the account trying to create the character is the right one. This wouldn't be so bad, as I couldn't see the reserved name list getting very far past the 4 digit mark.
This is if of course if the wipe is announced beforehand, which is extremely unlikely. But this entire topic (including an upcoming wipe) is completely hypothetical with current knowledge. And for the much more real case of a wipe which isn't announced, I have a feeling the number of "stolen names" would be low enough to deal with in an efficient manner.
To get back to the OP, I would think you have no choice (unless the team offers a RP reason to explain otherwise) but to just continue RPing, avoiding situations where the actual stat will be tested until you can train up again.
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Chances are if you're a fairly prominant figure, your name will be defended.
Hope this will be true also for not-too-much-forum-players but also for old-ingame-players (well, never had problems after wipes since now) :innocent:
EDIT: /me hugs Zorbels :)
Esserfin Sussert
Dragon Master of The Dragon Council
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Chances are if you're a fairly prominant figure, your name will be defended.
Hope this will be true also for not-too-much-forum-players but also for old-ingame-players :innocent:
Esserfin Sussert
Dragon Master of The Dragon Council
:D How in gods green earth do you think the GM's and community would forget you Esserfin! I am sure they know who you are and will reserve your name. Silly Kitty!
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I like the idea for a way to not lose your name, as i know not many people want to have to deal with rp identity theft--especially if the name stealer is shrewd enough to steal character description race etc. Would hate to think i'm helping a pal when really helping an impostor...
I figure to be secure it would have to be done before a wipe and involve registration's original email for your game account...
I'd hope that it could be handled somewhere out of forums so that a: i could keep my email confidential, and 2) I could continue to poste annominously
If/when it becomes available --suggesting to reserve your name as the login "MOTD" could be a useful step...
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I have lived through a wipe.
It was traumatic for the serious players.
I hope another does not occur, until the story of Verrliit reaches it's natural ending.
I would also like to see the spellbook working as designed, a container for purified glyphs, sometime before I die from lack of spaces...
And maybe a shield...
Or a PONY!
Ooohhh... A Pony.
Preferably a carnivore, with large claws and teeth...
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Why are your character stats so important to you Verrliit? I know you're a major powerlever (hitting 4000's in the arena before the huge slashed items were deleted) but the story of Verrliit shouldn't change (or if it would it would be for the better, you're too strong for your own good =P), you can still roleplay it out without having to fight or claw someone up. A wipe is needed.
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I do think that anyone who feels "traumatized" by a wipe needs a break from the computer screen.
I also think that making blanket statements about "serious" players is a bad idea.
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I have lived through a wipe.
It was traumatic for the serious players.
I hope another does not occur, until the story of Verrliit reaches it's natural ending.
I would also like to see the spellbook working as designed, a container for purified glyphs, sometime before I die from lack of spaces...
And maybe a shield...
Or a PONY!
Ooohhh... A Pony.
Preferably a carnivore, with large claws and teeth...
A giant zombie pony with razor sharp fangs, with a keen and unquenchable taste for FLESH!
... :flowers:
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I have lived through a wipe.
It was traumatic for the serious players.
I hope another does not occur, until the story of Verrliit reaches it's natural ending.
I would also like to see the spellbook working as designed, a container for purified glyphs, sometime before I die from lack of spaces...
And maybe a shield...
Or a PONY!
Ooohhh... A Pony.
Preferably a carnivore, with large claws and teeth...
A giant zombie pony with razor sharp fangs, with a keen and unquenchable taste for FLESH!
... :flowers:
Flesh...and that filmy stuff in Jell-o that makes you gag.
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Wow, Verrliit plays a scary character then. o.O
Oh, don't forget the scarred cheek and short temper.
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Ewwww. That stuff is revolting. that Horse would scare the living daylights out of me!
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Then I hope that "horse" will be wiped soon along with everything and everyone else =P
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What if, instead of having a wipe at all, we just have a MASSIVE black fog come over PS, and everyone falls unconcious. Then when everyone wakes up, all the pockets, and stats are empty. By that I mean, why delete the characters at all? just empty their pockets, and reset their stats to what ever they were after creation... if that info was saved... it propably wasn't was it. :-\ ...Well you could just have a "blank" character or... no that wouldn't work. Perhaps we could sort of make the character attched to the account come up with a "you need to build this character", and be redirected to the character creation wizard, but with the name, events, etc, or what ever info is actually saved in the profile their by default, so the player can change anything if they want. There... That might work... mabye? ::| Wait I've got an even better idea! lets just wipe all the dam characters, and let the players sort it out after! There, genious! ;D
Of course news of an impending wipe would be useful to give those less active users a chance to repent, and make sure their known before the wipe, so their names are not stolen.
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What if, instead of having a wipe at all, we just have a MASSIVE black fog come over PS, and everyone falls unconcious. Then when everyone wakes up, all the pockets, and stats are empty. By that I mean, why delete the characters at all? just empty their pockets, and reset their stats to what ever they were after creation... if that info was saved... it propably wasn't was it. :-\ ...Well you could just have a "blank" character or... no that wouldn't work. Perhaps we could sort of make the character attched to the account come up with a "you need to build this character", and be redirected to the character creation wizard, but with the name, events, etc, or what ever info is actually saved in the profile their by default, so the player can change anything if they want. There... That might work... mabye? ::| Wait I've got an even better idea! lets just wipe all the dam characters, and let the players sort it out after! There, genious! ;D
Of course news of an impending wipe would be useful to give those less active users a chance to repent, and make sure their known before the wipe, so their names are not stolen.
Yes, i mean, news of the impending wipe is not asking for too much and it would help...but asking for them to not wipe the characters at all is a stretch...but something alot of peopel i think would support. I mean, i think it would be more work for them to wipe every tria, skill, and item off every character...but it would be very efficient. There would be no "Lost Name Crisis" and stories could continue to their natural end, and everyone would be happy campers.
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Mass amnesia? Easy RP way out... everyone got sick and forgets who they were!
If someone else takes the name "Astraea" before I re-create her, I have lots of back-up names to use. If it's not taken, I'll probably recreate her, completely. A wipe wouldn't affect her history, because like everyone else IC, there is nothing that she knows before the wipe.
What I would really like to see if there is a wipe is a list of character names before and after-wipe. It's more useful than a "reserve name" list. I've seen it done for a forum, and it proved extremely helpful in getting in touch with old contacts.
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Yes, i mean, news of the impending wipe is not asking for too much and it would help...but asking for them to not wipe the characters at all is a stretch...but something alot of peopel i think would support. I mean, i think it would be more work for them to wipe every tria, skill, and item off every character...but it would be very efficient. There would be no "Lost Name Crisis" and stories could continue to their natural end, and everyone would be happy campers.
They wouldn't go around and manually remove it from every character. If they were to do it at all, it would be done via script. That's why I was wondering if the information of the characters original creation was saved (all those bits and pieces you spend CP on).
Mass amnesia? Easy RP way out... everyone got sick and forgets who they were!
I don't think that would work so good... That would be more likely if they kept all items and stats, but lost every scrap of RP history. :P
I suggesed the black mist, because it besides being really cool to run into hydlaa and start shouting "The wipe is coming!", but then we could say that everyone had x years of experince striped from them by a misterious black fog.
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I guess everything is stored like on a MySQL database. A MySQL database's structure is very simple: it has a series of columns named "Name | skill1 | skill2 | str | etc." and every line would have "Timanel | 6,13 | 4,35 | 103 | etc.". So it would be very easy to empty the column skill1, skill2, str, etc. with a simple script or even a simple command ...
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We could say that Laanx came down and announced that everyone was getting far too greedy and to teach them a lesson he destroyed all their weapons, armor, money, etc. and made them forget all their combat knowledge.
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We could say that Laanx came down and announced that everyone was getting far too greedy and to teach them a lesson he destroyed all their weapons, armor, money, etc. and made them forget all their combat knowledge.
This sounds great to me... IC and very "god like". Genious suggestion, Siteri :)
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I agree Siteri, I think those are some of the real reasons too, which makes your idea even better :thumbup:
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Not only that, but I'm pretty sure some wipes are actually made for that reason.
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I guess everything is stored like on a MySQL database. A MySQL database's structure is very simple: it has a series of columns named "Name | skill1 | skill2 | str | etc." and every line would have "Timanel | 6,13 | 4,35 | 103 | etc.". So it would be very easy to empty the column skill1, skill2, str, etc. with a simple script or even a simple command ...
It may be easy to empty the stats, but it's not a good idea. Imain starting with 0 strength (inability to do damage), 0 health (countinuious, and instantanious death), etc. ;D
Besides, at the character creation process, you get a unique set of stats depending on what you spent your CP on. Unless these initial stats can be reinstated into the character (and easily), It wouldn't probably be more likely that they'll just clear the data base, and let the players recreate their characters how they want.
We could say that Laanx came down and announced that everyone was getting far too greedy and to teach them a lesson he destroyed all their weapons, armor, money, etc. and made them forget all their combat knowledge.
Typical god-like character. Someone messes up, and all of humanity is punished. ;D :devil: Not a bad Idea though. It would fit in well considering how after the wipe, more players will come, they'll start being "bad", and there will be more wipes to come. It even has some truth to it, since the more bugged items are used, exploits exploited, etc, the sooner a wipe will occur.
I supose in theory, if every player played nice, reported exploits, handed over bugged equiptment, limited PLingand never gained/used an unfair advantage against another player, a wipe would not be neccessary, hence we would be "pleasing the gods". Of course this won't happen on an absolute scale, so we will "incure the rath of the gods", and the wipe will take place. :) Quite tidy.
BTW, what's wrong with gods rath being in the form of mist? No one seems to like the mist. :(
EDIT: The thought just occured to me, what would happen if we tried to have an amnesty day, where the dev's/GM's would demand the overly powerfull items/people with stats "so high" come forward, and if sufficient people did so, a wipe wouldn't be neccessary? :woot: ...or are the technical reasons for a wipe?
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Whipe away my money and weapons..
BUT HANDS OFF my mugs and ALE :P
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I dont know about anyone else, but I'm kinda looking forwards to a new wipe. I'd probably Pick up Where i left off with Lokii again, and then I would experiment with other characters, makes some new ones. because not many know my alternate characters it doesnt really matter much.
Lokii is there for good, but I'm flexible on the rest. And i'm looking forwards to actually going into this small "phase" of redeveloping.
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My character Ganinos has been around for almost 1 1/2 years now. We have had one complete wipe during that time. The devs did give us advanced notice (over a week) before that wipe took place. After they announced the wipe, most people quit hunting. There was a lot of RPing going on during that time. Bodacher & I put on Dash & Bash contests to give people something else to do too.
The devs did announce the only complete wipe I have seen. This doesn't mean they will announce the next one, but they have done it before.
Speculating that another wipe is just around the corner, IMHO, doesn't do any good at all. Ever since that complete wipe, there have been people (not devs or GMs) who said that another wipe was going to happen in a matter of weeks. This has happened 2 or 3 times that I remember. None of those wipes took place. I wouldn't listen to any player that predicts a wipe. The only time I would believe that a wipe was upon us is if the devs announced it as they have done at least once in the past.
It doesn't really matter to me if they announce a wipe or not. Wipes will happen. The devs have stated this plenty of times. After all this is a pre-alpha game & wipes both complete & partial are to be expected. If they announce a wipe before hand, great. If not oh well no problem.
IC response to a complete wipe: "I told you the outworlders have strange powers & to beware. Look what they have done to us?"
"Beware the outworlder surface dwellers, beware". "These outworlders have created another great cataclysm".
Those that have heard my "Alien" stories, I now use "outworlders" instead of "Aliens". The stories are the same, just now use a different word per request.
Gan, "Long Beard"
Leader White Dragon Clan
Dragon High Master in the Dragon Council
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I suppose they will announce it, as they did last time.
Though I doubt there will be many troubles, I think it is a very good idea to have a "before - after" list of names to minimize the eventual problems.
I think for that it only takes a thread on the forums in which one lists the names of charnames to be reserved.
If you really want to keep an alt anonymous, create a new acc (maybe even with that name) on the forum for that. Shouldn't be too much hassle.
When the wipe has come and an actual problem with the identity comes up, just send a PM to a GM or mod. Only the one who posted the name can also send the PM.
If someone doesn't recreate the char but wants to start with a new char and name, it's also easy to modify the own post and state (after the wipe) "I'm now known as..".
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I wouldn't be too offended if the wipe wasn't announced. When I made Kae'lith I wasn't exactly too skilled at creating and developing her, so if I had to do it all over again it would only make her better. And since everyone would be wiped, everyone would be in the same boat as me. ^^
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I like saying Laanx did it better than saying the outworlders did. But we're all going to have to pick one or else it won't work. It can't be BOTH after all...
...or can it?!
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It can't be BOTH after all...
...or can it?!
Ohh, it can..
Last time everyone had their very own explanations for the wipe and that wasn't much of trouble in the long run.
Only bigger problem last time was the belated Mac release and people whining about their lost skills.
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When i first created my character, i didnt know how to do it very well and i didnt use about 40 points of the start points. :sweatdrop: So i would like to make him better, which would come with the wipe.
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My "Outworlder" stories actually go back to before the last complete wipe. That just added to it. But, there is nothing wrong with people believing that the changes came about by different means. If someone wants to believe that it was the Gods, cool. If someone else wants to believe it was the result of some magical accident, ok. My character believes the "Outworlders" are responsible. That is the great thing about beliefs, you don't need any proof, and people can believe differently about the same thing. I don't think we need to have one unified explaination. Just as in the real world people have different beliefs, so should our characters. It makes for a richer world.
But, Gan has acutally seen things that lead to his beliefs in the "Outworlders". Now, he blames them for just about every unusual thing that happens in-game.
Gan, "Long Beard"
Leader White Dragon Clan
Dragon High Master of the Dragon Council