PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: lordraleigh on December 01, 2006, 08:06:00 am
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I decided to pull this question here because PS community have both great roleplayers and also bad roleplayers(that destroys my RP experience) and I fear it may be related to the age of players...
First I will tell me my experiences in RPing with other player characters...
I had some disappointments with bad roleplayers. It seems most of them are around 12 years old by the way they talk and by their bad grammar, and they really spoils the environment(also younger players are usually too impatient to read the player guide or background info first). Because of that I don't see the logic behind making Planeshift a game for "all ages", specially when it is intended to have a serious roleplaying community.
Most good roleplayers I know are 18 years old or more, and they probably have access to lots of coarse language, as one would expect(but they rarely use them in game). It is a question of preferences that I believe that are related to age. Most younger ones prefer fast-paced games just to have fun without serious compromises on things like RP while most mature players like roleplaying.
Now I will try to give more some decent arguments
As I said previously, I don't think roleplaying is a practice common between young teens(that usually prefer less serious MMO(RP?)Gs ) and this game is way too complex for children anyway(there are games for children, but "adapting" PS for it would destroy this project goal).
When one wishes to have a heavily RP-oriented game, one should try to attract more adult and mature gamers as in most cases they are more willing to follow the game universe IC than teenagers and children(if one is smart enough to play this game)
My experiences with a guild shows that older players usually roleplays better than newer ones, and that when the younger players don't totally spoil the experience.
Another point is that this is now a game where gladiators and mercenaries are killed indiscriminatedly, where several ones roleplays assassins, robbers and even drug dealers(mushrooms to be more specific) and thus I don't see any reason on this policy... Of course restraining this behaviors would destroy the possibility of RPing an evil character.
For last, I will try to put down "children will see it with their parents" argument. Well, adults should know when to allow and when to restrict kids on seeing what they are doing. No horror movie is made "for all family" because one may have kids at home. One should know how to filter content.
I think PS devs should try to actually restrict the age for players if they want to improve the quality of the roleplaying on its community. As unlike most MMOGs(where monthly payments matter), this game should focus on having players in quality, not quantity. Not sure if I am the only one that have this opinion and I was willing to post this for a long time.
P.S. : No flames and no trolling. This topic should have rational arguments. And I hope the devs have an good explanation on why they wish to make this a game "for all ages" if they aren't convinced by the opinions of those who agree with this
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Generally, you are correct when you say the under-18 age group may not have the best roleplayers. I've met some incredible exceptions, but unfortunately they have not been the rule. 12-17 is when you experiment, learn new things, try stuff out, and generally have a hard time settling on something.
I'm not sure however how we can restrict the age of our players - and I'm not sure if we would want to, even with the arguments posted. There are some people in their forties at whose "RP" I cringe, and there are fourteen-year-olds with absolutely enchanting characters. I wouldn't want to limit our game like so, except to say what you have pretty much explained about the game - that we really like having good roleplayers around and look forward to meeting them all. A lot of people can come in with chatspeak breaking in-game speed limits, then leave as one of the most respected members of the community.
Time for Karyuu's favorite quote:
To exist is to change, to change is to mature, to mature is to go on creating oneself endlessly.
--Henri Bergson
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and the next will be restricting it for people with another first language than english because of bad grammar?
/me runs away with a horrified look on his face
anyway, I don't think that an age limit should be set. You can easily teach a 14 year old to be a good roleplayer... specially when you know them in real life.
I think that instead of trying to restrict the age, those good roleplayers would teach the teenagers and kids to roleplay. Adopt a newbie
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To be honest I am torn only because I have a child and I am conflicted with the matter. I can say this, I would let my daughter play ps with my supervision. It is pretty decent, there are only a few who come in and ruin the fun for moments at a time. Gm's usually act fast with those who petition somone with inappropriate behavior and boot the character. For the most part planeshift is ok in my books and child friendly [Agian only with supervised play].
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I am 13 and i admit im not the best RPer. but you wouldnt not be able to restrict the game to over 18s. and underaged people are smart enough to say they are over eighteen when they sign up for things (well i am) it would be damned impossible to do it and WHY! i love this game and its great for kids with very little pocket money who dont have parents wanting to pay for WoW. these days most parents do tho well at mi skool they do. younger people use bad grammar because the dont type too fast well the very young ones dont so they use shortened words (and yeh bad grammar) lol i even met a 10 yr old on PS and i asked him shouldnt u be playing runescape, he said i do :P
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Are Adults Mature Enough to RP?
I did the experience, that especially children are doing their own well roleplay. Indeed it is another RP than older ones do, cause they are doing their own one, like "hide and seek" and "catch me if you can".
My daughter lives in Yliakum since she's 4 and she is having a lot of fun. Now she's 5 and if you need a pathfinder to show you the way from Ojaveda to Bronce Doors, you may ask her ;)
It's realistic, that there are folks you cannot talk with, cause they are to young to speak ([write]).
/me strongly agrees to let Yliakum open for all from age zero till invinite
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So we got a 10 year old girl in our guild, The Survivors of Vaern, She joined cause her father found it a great way to stimulate her english, she plays without supervision most of the time, and let me tell you, she is one heck of a role-player! She needs some help when it comes to understanding a strange language for her, but she role-plays better then many a 24 year old I NEED WEPZ PLZ! kinda people.
I fully realize it's a special case, and for many young kids it is hard to understand what RP is and how to do it. Yet, I am bothered as much by "kids" as I am by adults.
When in a good RP, and an underaged player appears and comes across as imature, it can be anoying and make the RP less immersive, it would be so wonderful if you can find out his or her age, then ignore hm/her for the rest of the event, and contact him/her later, see if it's worth the trouble to educate him/her in the ways of basic RP.
Kids start of wrong, but learn faster then any adult, the latter is a fact, keep that in mind. It might be well worth it to teach them, imagine what great role-players will come out of that ey? How many of us can say they started RP when they were 4 years old :D
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I cant disagree more with the original poster, I have met people in game who are obviously adults and their RP if appauling. I have met people who are under 16 and their RP is fantastic. If a player is not willing to RP they will soon get bored of PS because frankly there isnt a great deal to do except RP.
As for you Gondric, I must say your RP skills are signifigantly better than mine (mine are poor IMO) and im 24, personally I dont think age comes into the RP side of things, and even if it did it would seem odd for the whole of Yliakum to have no-one who acts imaturely (RPed ofcourse).
I had never RPed at all before coming to this game and as such have no background of RP and find it most difficult (although I try my best), in my youth I would attend a gaming centre very rarely but when I did I would see 13/14/15 year olds with the most vivid imaginations coming up with the most engrosing RP even though they only had pen, paper and a few (thousand) dice to play with.
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This is one of the few online RP games I feel comfortable recommending to younger teens - as I feel it is a really safe environment - and on the whole friendly. Personally I would want to supervise under 11s myself, but I wouldn't say the game was unsuitable for them. I recently introduced my 12 year old niece to the game, let a few close friends know and asked them to look out for her. No problems at all - she seems to have settled in with no problems at all.
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My son started playing PS when 11 and I initially supervised him but he soon got the hang of how to behave and once he had maxed out his char I started to encourage him to rp, he joined the Crystal Warriors and was starting to develop a story when he unfortunately got caught up with the Dwarvesbane and received some fairly agressive tells he thought they were real and that scared him and he hasn't played since. I did explain what was going on and he understands now.
But back to second part of the topic, if the game was 18+ why should our behaviour be any different? In normal company we don't walk around swearing or using explicit language, we may do so in private but that is what /tell /group is for and any for acts that may be considered indecent.
In my opinion we have a pretty good balance atm and see no reason to change
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I'm not sure it matters since young people will play the game anyway. I would say there's a difference betwen sophisticated and simple roleplaying: You could have a simple character with goals such as "get strong" and "make money and friends". Or you could have a more indepth character with his or her own particular mannerisms, history, long term goals, and fatal flaws.
I think that both are valid roleplaying. As far as "adult content" stuff, I think that people understand that playing an assassin or warrior is make believe and that in real life, such things are simply immoral. The one danger I see is with things such as drug dealing, smoking, and drinking. I do think that an impressionable young person could have their views changed by what they're exposed to in the media, and Planeshift is one form of media. However, I don't think that in game drug dealers would be viewed as savoury individuals. So as long as players aren't saying that what these characters do is "good", I'm not sure there's a problem. Kids are exposed to that side of life as early as 10-12 these days anyway, and Planeshift is rated PG.
Edit: Ultimately, it's up to the parents.
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I'd just suggest targeting the 12+ crowd... and that's only 'cuz some teenagers can be quite mature... and they're probably already at an age where they get to see mild-violence and hear mild-expletives on TV, etc.
As for anyone younger than that.. sure... you could have them play... but unless they're RPing a child... is their character going to be plausible?
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From what I can see it is almost impossible to accurately judge someone's age based upon their behavior in game. I know older players that act like children, and younger players who play like they have been doing it a long time. And on the subject of the content of the game, words, names, scenarios and characters: In America, people often hold completely contradictory beliefs. What I mean by that is I know parents that will not blink if their children are playing a game where they are murdering innocent people with terrible weapons, but would suddenly freak out totally if they saw a cigarette in the game. So, there is only so much that can be done to begin with. Even if there is some content that is questionable, it is not being used in that *context* within Planeshift itself.
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It may sound stupid, but if you are not allowed to roleplay up to the age of 18 you won't instantly be a genius at roleplaying once you reach that age either. It is pretty clear to me that the increased ammount of bad roleplay under younger players is not caused by the fact that they are younger, but by the fact that they are more likely to be unexperienced. Any unexperienced player will make mistakes, and sometimes make himself look like a bad roleplayer, no matter whether he is eight, 18 or 75. When I started playing Planeshift I might as well have been "to young" for it, and to a degree I still am, and I am pretty aware that my RP was abbysmal, in the beginning, being mostly dominated by twisted images of my famous roleplay characters, at that point. Nowadays I consider myself a decent enough RPer, but I can only speak for myself, when saying that this was not caused by the sudden enlightement of coming off age, but rather by a lot of trial and error and quite an ammount of hard earned experience. I am pretty sure that my roleplaying would not be any better at all at this moment than when I started playing PS, if I would not have earned this experience. Of course, you might say that Planeshift should be a place only for those who have already got through their first years of RPing, but I do think it might not appeal to fully fledged profi-RPers who already found their place in the vast world of roleplaying.
Edit: Typos :X
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What I mean by that is I know parents that will not blink if their children are playing a game where they are murdering innocent people with terrible weapons, but would suddenly freak out totally if they saw a cigarette in the game.
What's more common is for parents to be fine with violent games, but they freak out about games which have references to anything sexual.
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What I mean by that is I know parents that will not blink if their children are playing a game where they are murdering innocent people with terrible weapons, but would suddenly freak out totally if they saw a cigarette in the game.
What's more common is for parents to be fine with violent games, but they freak out about games which have references to anything sexual.
To which I say that those parents have their own issues which they need to deal with. :)
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Right. But just to say I don't think you guys should have to overly stress about every little detail. You can't please all of the people all of the time...
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As a parent, who also talks to other parents, it may seem illogical but we worry more about our children in a situation where they are chatting in real life with "strange" adults than we worry them playing violent games. Everytime I am dealing with someone I know to be under 18 I can't help but wonder whether their parent knows or approves. This is a personal issue I have to live with but I don't think as a community we can dump all responsibility on the parents.
I agree that good rp is not based on the age of the player, in fact as an adult I probably find it harder to learn. The issue I have seen is more often the younger players have less patience for hanging back, observing and learning. One of the things I like about ps is the fact that it is not based on how fast my reflexes are. But if I spent a lot of time playing games in which that is the main focus, then if I wandered in to ps I would immediately be wanting that same experience.
Not to pick on just the younger players, there are adults who have a hard time adapting to the fact that they are starting as beginners with a character, that it takes a while to build the character up, and that a 16 year old may know a heck of a lot more when it comes to ps.
I think that as a fact of life we will always have the chance for good rp to be disrupted, by someone young or old, as unfortunately that happens in real life.
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I suspect that if under 18s had always been banned from this game then we would not have some of the excellent Devs, GMs and Mods that we currently do. Please correct me if im wrong.
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hmm...there are a few features that i wish could be in game but have been debated because of the age restrictions (pipe smoking for example, though i stll dont understand why thats such a big deal and drinking isnt *shrugs*) im not sure that the game should have an age limit because i jsut dont perceive it as very fair. when i was growing up i was exposed to porno and drugs and violence and yet i still turned out to be a peaceful little hippie girl. i dont think that we should necessarily judge an age-group because of their roleplay and grammar. i suppose it is annoying when someone starts to use leet and all but that can be ignored, and bad grammar happens to us all. I know that i cant even play an alt because my writing/speaking style is so distinct that everyone guesses who i am, i dont think thats bad roleplaying though, it jsut the way i think...and im 18 and though i am very good at spelling, when i type in conversation my fingers fly to fast to pay attention to every word that is mispelled.
i think this game is more about the experience of it. i dont know if we should limit someones ability to play jsut because of an age, like all the others said, adults usually have similar difficulties as children do when it comes to roleplaying.
however, i do think sometimes that quite a bit of what i even consider as inappropriate stuff happens in the game and is caused by the players themselves.
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Idoru, without hearing from any of them I would agree you are right.
My son started his own software company at the age of 14. His company got favorable write-ups from several software magazines and he frequently was chatting online with some high powered programmers. No one ever realized his true age.
I suspect that many great developers are younger than we think.
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Well.. at least among all the MURDER and KIDNAPPING.. we're not going to hear any mildly offensive words like "$%*&!#".
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The dev team doesn't admit anyone under 18 (we did once and I think we're still cleaning up after him to this day.. :P) but barring that age-group from the game entirely definitely wouldn't have prompted people like Xordan, Gentar, and me to join. I think the good outweighs the bad without a doubt.
*edit* Idoru, I was referring to this:
I suspect that many great developers are younger than we think.
:] They are all at least 18.
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Well.. at least among all the MURDER and KIDNAPPING.. we're not going to hear any mildly offensive words like "bugger" now!!!
Phew!! ;)
That post was useless and could be taken offensive by those who are offended by the word. The thread was closed for a reason, quit poking fun already. It isn't helping things.
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when i was growing up i was exposed to porno and drugs and violence and yet i still turned out to be a peaceful little hippie
Here, Here, I had friends and internet access aswell :D
Well.. at least among all the MURDER and KIDNAPPING.. we're not going to hear any mildly offensive words like "bugger" now!!!
Hurrah, the world is safe once again... I await its impact and the inevitable world peace that will obviously follow
The dev team doesn't admit anyone under 18
Yeah, I was refering to people starting as players before the age of 18 and then becoming contributors at a later date.
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Heh. Would this conversation ever happen on the Blizards forum?
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I believe Planeshift needs a disclaimer, saying this game is intended for an adult audience.
Then if children play, that's their parents or guardians problem. If they kill someone or themselves and the game gets blamed, you could always point to the disclaimer. Not to mention we would put an end to the whiners with their “Think of the children” argument.
Then we could add a few more “buggers” in the NPC chat, along with with more gory graphics and maybe even some provoking clothing for the females (heck or no clothing at all).
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Then we could add a few more “buggers” in the NPC chat, along with with more gory graphics and maybe even some provoking clothing for the females (heck or no clothing at all).
Er... no. PlaneShift is not going to have adult content in the game to the degree that character nudity will be around. Nor do I need more gory graphics to enjoy the game, and we are definitely not going to limit anything to the 18+ crowd. This game isn't a Disney production, but it's not going to the other extreme as well. The way things are now is fine.
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hmm true 18+ doesn't seem right for PS. Having a disclaimer more like 12+ or something similar would be better though. Just becuase I don't like the idea of a Disneygame ;)
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Aww c'mon, Please please please! I wanna trash talk and be offensive all day long. please.
Disclaimer: The preceding comment was meant as hyperbole and not meant to be taken at face value.
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Then we could add a few more “buggers” in the NPC chat, along with with more gory graphics and maybe even some provoking clothing for the females (heck or no clothing at all).
Why is it that "mature content" so often refers to the opposite? Objectification of women won't lead to roleplaying (at least, not the sort we want). Regardless, if the best entertainment you can think of is nekkid pixelated catwomen... I'm sure there are such games somewhere :]
josePhoenix
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Regardless, if the best entertainment you can think of is nekkid pixelated catwomen... I'm sure there are such games somewhere :]
Really?? Where?
/me uninstalls the PS client.
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Then we could add a few more “buggers” in the NPC chat, along with with more gory graphics and maybe even some provoking clothing for the females (heck or no clothing at all).
Why just the females?
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Why just the females?
I agree, if its going to be smut it should atleast be equal oppurtunity smut ;)
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Then we could add a few more “buggers” in the NPC chat, along with with more gory graphics and maybe even some provoking clothing for the females (heck or no clothing at all).
Hmm. Reminds me of a fenki skin that was around a while ago..
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Just out of curiousity how would you tell if a klyros was male or female? They really ought not to have any "mammalian protuberances."
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Klyros aren't lizards, although they have a reptile appearance. Just like Enkidukai aren't cats, so Enkidukai females don't have extra sets of breasts. Klyros females will have a clearly humanoid female form.
Concerning adult content in PS, here's an older thread (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23294.0) for interesting reading.
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Just like Enkidukai aren't cats, so Enkidukai females don't have extra sets of breasts
Tell me about it..... I curse that whenever I login :innocent: :-[ :whistling:
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Then we could add a few more “buggers” in the NPC chat, along with with more gory graphics and maybe even some provoking clothing for the females (heck or no clothing at all).
Why just the females?
Good question. I find myself curious to the answer of this.
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Does that mean that klyros are somehow mammals? or perhaps they are some magical construct.
Can you imagine how much trouble a well-endowed female klyros would have flying? Klyros do theoretically fly don't they? How would that be in any way realistic?
The answer to Z's question is that obviously more people can appreciate the female form than can the male. If you need any evidence of this just look at the magazine business, the most popular magazines for men and women have women on the covers.
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It seems
That this game cares about quantity of players, not quality :(
Perhaps something should be done to drive away those that dislikes roleplaying and to attract and keep more of those who likes it.
Because some players actually don't improve their skills... never. And spoils totally the immersion... PS community needs some improvement.
About the for all ages... utopian if not ironic to struggle guarantee such kind of environment that falls down on the values typically connected with the cynism of a (neo)conservative society(Violence :thumbup:, Sex :thumbdown: --- Thats why they made the South Park movie ;D ... to ridicularize the ESRB), that is my final opinion based on the previous arguments...
P.S. : I never played a MMO(RP?)G because of the totally imature communities most commercial ones have
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Klyros do theoretically fly don't they?
They glide. They are not powerful enough to stay in the air for any extended period of time, and they cannot push themselves off the ground with their wings - they need to dive.
It seems That this game cares about quantity of players, not quality
I wasn't a superb roleplayer when I first discovered PS. If I was driven away by some stupid age limit, I would have never made the contributions that I did. Same goes for other devs, GMs, and many respected community members. We would love to have a game just full of high-quality players, but that seems like a utopia to me. Everyone needs some place to learn, and PS is one of the friendliest. Commercial MMOs are the ones dying to get high numbers, since they are a business. We're a hobby and we want people to have fun - you don't have to come in being a great roleplayer right from the start, you just have to be willing to learn.
And that's the best situation.
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I think tolerance is more important than the current quality/quantity of the players, because players are also in development. Some players learn faster than others and some are more flexible, but we all need to respect each other and allow ourselves the time to grow along the game. We all learn something new about RP every time we come online.
We play around bugs, unavailable skills and mechanics and we need to look past certain grey areas (like death and laws) all the time. Meeting an inexperienced player is one of those things we need to have patience with. And in most cases, it can be fixed faster than any bug (especially if you do try to help). If it doesn't, you can always step away and avoid RPing with that person. And if it gets problematic there are ways to deal with disruptive players.
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The answer to Z's question is that obviously more people can appreciate the female form than can the male.
That's a lousy answer.
If you need any evidence of this just look at the magazine business, the most popular magazines for men and women have women on the covers.
That's just evidence that men control the magazine industry and they're trying to sell a certain body image to young women who will in turn spend a portion of their expendable income on achieving that body image they were just sold.
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This topic is going ridiculously :offtopic: (If you want to discuss why most porn is for males, there are other places for that)
As I see that it is totally defined and fully unchangeable about rating... Then I hope the devs do something to attract more of those that are willing to roleplay and to improve their roleplay skills, and to make those that dislikes roleplay willing to leave, because occasionally I meet those "leets" around, and they don't care anything about roleplay...
That's all I ask... to make it even more attractive for roleplayers and would be roleplayers and even less attractive for "leets".
If more offtopic goes, it will be better to lock it...
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This is nowhere near being off-topic enough for a lock. Don't worry about such things - mods are around to take care of it if it'll be needed. For now just enjoy the discussion taking place.
Concerning making PS attractive to roleplayers, that's really already our aim. It may not be apparent to everyone because we're still building the basic foundation for a lot of our features, but Talad has started PlaneShift to make it a deep world, where roleplay dominates. People who do not care about roleplay generally feel that they are not too welcome here when they do not make many friends, and leave.
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Ok I didn't know w Helen Gurley Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Gurley_Brown) (Cosmopolitan), w Gloria Steinem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem) (Ms. Magazine), Oprah (O), and Martha Stewart (Living) were men. Cosmopolitan started out as a family magazine in the 1800's but it became what is is when Ms. Brown took over as editor in chief. Strictly speaking "O" and "Living" don't have women on the cover but they do have a woman on the cover, Oprah and Martha Stewart respectively. All four of these magazines are likely to have more pictures of women than men too.
Women are more sociable than men and are far more likely to really look at their friends and give them tips on what would make them look better. It may just be socialization but it is a fact that women get looked at far more than men. Now you can say that there is far more coverage of mens sports but I would suggest that the action is more significant than the gender. In other words it is men on the field/ice/court but the point is not looking to appreciate the beauty of the players it is the raw power of the struggle that is the point. Besides that in all the coverage there is always, I repeat, always shots of pretty women be they cheerleaders, broadcasters or just in the crowd. Face it, women are more attractive than men and that is how nature has it planned.
Besides Kran are already naked and are more masculine then feminine in appearance. They may not have gender but their form is that of a "ken doll" and not a "barbie"
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...well i think men are more yummies to look at it... ahahaha its really just a persons preference, but men are more visully sexual then women so theyre more likely to get more of a male audience if they have scandalous pictures or what not..
i dunnso
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Before, you said:
The answer to Z's question is that obviously more people can appreciate the female form than can the male.
Now, you're saying:
It may just be socialization but it is a fact that women get looked at far more than men
The latter does not prove the former, nor do they necessarily go hand in hand.
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Before, you said:
The answer to Z's question is that obviously more people can appreciate the female form than can the male.
Now, you're saying:
It may just be socialization but it is a fact that women get looked at far more than men
The latter does not prove the former, nor do they necessarily go hand in hand.
The latter is a possible explaination of the former, nothing more as is evidenced by the word 'may'. If that is your only objection can I assume you concede the rest of my points? Do I have an obligation to prove anything to you? I thought this was a discussion and not a debate.
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The latter could be a symptom of the former, but not necessarily. Besides, it's more likely something like this:
In our culture, women are encouraged to change the way they look in order to meet social expectations and to attract males. At the same time, males are expected or allowed to be interested in sex more publically than women. Add the two together, and you end up with a society where the female body - a commercialized version of the female body, anyway - is given more attention than its male counterpart.
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I don't know about you but I don't go shopping with my friends and ask them whether clothes look good on me but I'm pretty sure that women do. I also don't see some guy wearing something at a party and tell them how nice it is and ask where they got it. Well not usually anyway. Women do that too.
Oh and your second paragraph -- pretty much is what I meant by socialization.
I think we are somewhat in agreement.
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I don't know about you but I don't go shopping with my friends and ask them whether clothes look good on me but I'm pretty sure that women do. I also don't see some guy wearing something at a party and tell them how nice it is and ask where they got it. Well not usually anyway. Women do that too.
Oh and your second paragraph -- pretty much is what I meant by socialization.
I think we are somewhat in agreement.
You're kinda just proving me right here man. And no, we don't agree.
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Perhaps someone could explain the difference to me. As far as I can see you said the same thing as me in different words unless maybe you think I put the cart before the horse...I'm going to bed.
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Perhaps someone could explain the difference to me. As far as I can see you said the same thing as me in different words unless maybe you think I put the cart before the horse...I'm going to bed.
Our society is more critical of the female body, but this is not because the female body is inherently more beautiful than the male body. I think that simple economics is a big factor, and not beauty.
Women are exposed to images of the "ideal" (commercial) female form because a multi-billion dollar industry has formed around manufacturing needs and insecurities among that particular target market and then selling that market a solution that requires monetary expenditures. You sell the ideal. You create the need. You sell the idea of the solution to the problem, and then you provide the solution for money. It isn't about inherent beauty. If anything, it's about the opposite.
Personally, I find women more attractive than men. But I understand that the difference isn't inherent to the forms - it's to do with my own personal orientation and perhaps even socialization. What I do know however is that the fact that women are looked are more often is not necessarily indicitive of women being inherently more beautiful. There are other and IMO more important factors.
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You should see what the fashion industry is finally trying to do to men... XD DOWN WITH MAKEUP! DOWN WITH HIGH HEALS! Though I do like a little make up on men too... :-X
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ahaha seriously think about the metrosexuals...the straight men that you could honestly swear are gay...mr g q and all that...fabulosu hair and tight ironed clothes ...
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I would totally wear make up (and have when drunk (gothic)) if it wasnt for the fear of being beaten senseless by chavs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav) :)
Men should be able to wear make up, tight clothes and even dresses IMO without fear of having the crap kicked out of them.
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I hate chavs. I really, really do. Nothing worse. They are the scum of the earth and the worst thing is they are what this generation will be remembered for. The 60s had hippies, we have chavs.
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I would totally wear make up (and have when drunk (gothic)) if it wasnt for the fear of being beaten senseless by chavs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav) :)
Men should be able to wear make up, tight clothes and even dresses IMO without fear of having the crap kicked out of them.
I knew I should go visit the UK for some reason. Now i know why, the women there must be disgusted with the men dressing and acting like them (or some just "wanting to"), and want the real thing.
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Lol, brits are funny... no offence, ya just are...
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I hate chavs. I really, really do. Nothing worse. They are the scum of the earth and the worst thing is they are what this generation will be remembered for. The 60s had hippies, we have chavs
Aye, I know what you mean.
Lol, brits are funny... no offence, ya just are...
non taken at all, eccentric is the term i believe, the previous posters response I do take offense at though
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yeah, though I have no idea what a chav is...
but im sure its an exageration...
btw, when I say brits are funny, I mean they have good comedians... like canada... not that their funny strange or anything.... just trying to clear things up with my last remark.
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yeah, though I have no idea what a chav is...
but im sure its an exageration...
No, unfortunately it isn't... I can provide proof (http://www.chavscum.co.uk/).
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No, unfortunately it isn't... I can provide proof (http://www.chavscum.co.uk/).
I read some of the articles on that website. So a "chav" is a young, uncultured hoodlum?
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No, unfortunately it isn't... I can provide proof
There's a reference to my hometown on that site.
We have soooo many Chavs that anyone who wears thattype of clothes is automatically branded a chav andd the way some of them talk, don't even get me started.
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The characature on that link looks like a gentrified gangsta rapper hehhehhhe
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I dont mean to break the flow of conversation, but....
@lordraleigh: after reading your post introducing your character, it has lead me to believe that you have not met some of the better RPers here that are younger than you are.
You are entittled to your oppinion, as am I, and hope you dont take offence to this. You have made a judgment far to quick IMHO, without knowing the age of some of the better RPers here. As has been stated in this thread, everyone needs a place to start much like you obviously have just done. This is my first taste of an RP game of any kind, and I was welcomed with open arms. I am a very green and unskilled RPer, but I know that, unlike some who think they are very talented.
Ease up, enjoy life, and enjoy being a kid :)
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I was waiting for an on-topic post ;) Thanks Laragorn - let's take this as a sign to get back to the original subject please, from now on.
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I definately disagree with this talk of younger people not being able to rp. Ive meet my share of adults on ps who act just the same way some of the younger players do in regards to rping. In my opinion theres always an exception to the rule. Not all adults can rp well and some children can rp fantastically. One of the best rpers Ive meet is only 14 and it would be a shame to lose him as well as any others.
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Five words of which ignorance of can destroy the great and protect the terrible:
Age does not equal maturity.
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I dont mean to break the flow of conversation, but....
@lordraleigh: after reading your post introducing your character, it has lead me to believe that you have not met some of the better RPers here that are younger than you are.
You are entittled to your oppinion, as am I, and hope you dont take offence to this. You have made a judgment far to quick IMHO, without knowing the age of some of the better RPers here. As has been stated in this thread, everyone needs a place to start much like you obviously have just done. This is my first taste of an RP game of any kind, and I was welcomed with open arms. I am a very green and unskilled RPer, but I know that, unlike some who think they are very talented.
Ease up, enjoy life, and enjoy being a kid :)
"Some who think they are talented"...
Misjudgement, I guess I should think of a better presentation for my Alt character(That avoids bad judgements) ... Played RPGs with developed characters for 6 years... I know how characters are developed... much deeper than what it seems superficially... perhaps it is a case of when someone become jealous... or perhaps just misunderstanding... my RPing IC will prove the contrary(I am not very good with presentations anyway and haven't developed fully my Alt char history, I'm improvising and improving it according to criticism and suggestions and according to my sketches)... I am not saying I am a genius at RP... but this insult won't lead nowhere.
I am continually improving my skills on this and am sure that younger players willing to RP are an exception to the general rule(most plays MMO(RP?)Gs anyway, so it may seem that it isn't true)... as the same goes with the other case. (Perhaps I should give better details on the "Communitive Storywriting" about my character). Have anyone heard about psychological barriers?
"enjoy being a kid"
*/me laughs about this incredible deduction
I'm a "1337 kid" yes... if you open a discussion about serious topics... and deep philosophical content... I can prove easily I am an kid! Perhaps I will send my ID to prove that I am above 18 and thus a kid!
Or perhaps I can give you a lecture on Accounting, a very childish class! And also another one about Total Quality Management!
*/me asks to close this bad joke
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Deep philosophical content usually isn't so deep. It's either something you already know, or something you disagree with, or something you don't care about. In every case, "deep" isn't an appropriate adjective.
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It was critisism, not an insult lordraleigh. Albeit not very constructive, but critisism none the less.
Do you honestly think that because you have knowledge in pshycology and accounting that it takes away from the fact you are a kid. Why are you taking offence to that? I envy you, I wish I was 18 again (no I'm not doing a George Burns imprestion). I still try to be a kid every day :) I guess what I was trying to say is dont sweat the small stuff, you have a full life ahead of you, so enjoy it.
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"Jewellery
Gold Pendants
Pictured here is the classic clown pendant in all it's hideous glory! Look out for other disgusting variants such as rag dolls, teddy bears, horses, gypsy caravans, guns and a clown with a pushchair! Don't be put off it's a rainy day, Chavs will wear their pendant outside of any garment on full display!
1 Point"
maybe its cause im an american girl, and i dunnos if we have these "chavs" as prominently as there are other places, but i found it quite odd that a guy who acts all tough would wear a gold pendant with a rag doll or teddy bear on it...not that i dont beleive its possible, i jsut find it quite odd :P
im curious...does someone go out of their way to be a "chav"? i have never even heard of this before..to me it sounds like a fancier form of hick but i havent read barely anything
...fried chicken and mickey d's a favorite food? hnmmmm
Kalika read more...
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maybe its cause im an american girl, and i dunnos if we have these "chavs" as prominently as there are other places, but i found it quite odd that a guy who acts all tough would wear a gold pendant with a rag doll or teddy bear on it...not that i dont beleive its possible, i jsut find it quite odd :P
I'm going to try to make this as politically correct as possible: I think the American equivalent would be middle class caucasian males who have tried to adopt the image they associate with hip hop culture.
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I think the American equivalent would be middle class caucasian males who have tried to adopt the image they associate with hip hop culture.
Not exactly true. Chavs are a uniquely British thing. Identifiable by the fact they wear sports wear at all oppurtunities, have a bizzarre obsession with fake Burberry outfits (specifically Baseball caps and babies prams). They ONLY wear trainers, normally made by Nike and Adidas. They tuck the bottom of their trousers into their socks X-/ , female Chavs almost always wear large loop earings. Chavs generally live in council estate and are 'non-working class' (by that I mean t;hey would be working class if it wasnt for the fact that work is not something they will ever experience).
Oh, and Gharan, We know youre not a Chav ;)
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hmmm i suppose it could be considered the equivalent of american-wannabe-hip hop, though i jsut think its sad that there are people out there who ahve no repect for themselves adn others....but i suupose to each their own "shrugs"...though if someone ever told me that snoop dog was an american chav id prolly cry...
hmmm....i looked at the celebrity instances of chavs and i guess my picture of a "chav" got more clearer... :flowers:
edit :oks...sorry i didnt see the thing about bein on-topic...my bad, curiosity just gotto mes :/
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Going back on topic... I hope this kind of player I will show is a rarity in PS community...
Here is the chatlog... With his name hidden(If GMs are interested, I can give the chatlog)
I say: [You should talk like you were your character]
Leet says: what
Leet says: i dont get it
I say: [You *charactername is a character right?]
Leet says: yea
I say: [Do you know about movies, where actors act like their characters?]
Leet says: yea
I say: [You should act like the character you are playing... Just like an actor acts like his character... This game is heavily oriented on roleplay]
Leet says: really
Leet says: wow
Leet says: i dont know how to act
I say: [And when you wish to speak as a player... you should put it between brackets]
Leet says: can u teach me
Leet says: why
Leet says: [why]
I say: [To make other players know you are talking as a player, not as your character]
Leet says: [ok]
I say: [Let me give you some hints... first make a personality for your character, is he serious or not? A shady one or very open and sociable? And so on]
Leet says *charactername says: ok
Leet says [i mean ok
I say: [Then talk like you were an actor representing your character]
Leet says: ]
Leet says: lol
Leet says: thats gay i dont wanna
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lol, I thought leet was doing ok untill the last line, I have had many conversations like that but they normally end better :)
Atleast he will probably not come back.
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I've forgot to say: Nearly a year ago I've founded the KidsCorner Guild (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23240.0) for avoiding strange situations.
This works well for my own ones.
Feel free to contact me, if you are a parent or wnat to be a kid in this guild.
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I think maybe the player was overwhelmed and not relating to you lordraleigh. When I explain role-playing to a new person in planeshift I keep in mind that the player might not feel comfortable with "role-playing" or feel that they are not good enough to even bother role-playing as another character. I usually start with small steps.
Leet says: i dont know how to act
I say: [And when you wish to speak as a player... you should put it between brackets]
Leet says: can u teach me
Leet says: why
Leet says: [why]
I say: [To make other players know you are talking as a player, not as your character]
In this case explaining the /me helps a great deal and gets the role-playing rolling. I use that as a tool to show new players just how easy role-playing can be. For example ....
/me smiles at "player one" and settles into the tavern chair.
/me takes a sip of ale and asks the group before him "Can any of you tell me how to get to Ojaveda?"
/me takes a look around hydlaa plaza with her eyes wide with surprise
Those /me's tend to help the player to begin role-play in my experience. I also feel that telling these new players how you started role-playing is a great way for them to relate to you. For them to know that you started off not knowing anything about role-play will show that you were not perfect and have obviously advanced since playing the game. Taking them along with you to a role-play that you might be involved in can be very helpful for them to see and learn how others do it. Explaining role-play and how to do just doesn't have the same affect that watching others engage in it. They begin to realise it isn't just because you are saying to role-play that it should be done. They will see that others in game also take on these roles and enjoy the game for it's role-play. They also see different styles of role-play and begin to realise there is no right or wrong way.
I also want to correct something. You are not an actor per say. When you say that people start thinking of super stars and get intimidated thinking that they have to live up to that standard. Try to stay away from the word acting. Role-playing sounds much better and that is exactly what you are doing in game, assuming you are a role-player. I know there is a fine line between acting and role-playing, but none the less there is still a difference. I have posted the definitions down below.
role-play·ing
n.
(1) Psychology. A therapeutic technique, designed to reduce conflict in social situations, in which participants act out particular behavioral roles in order to expand their awareness of differing points of view.
(2) An instance or situation in which one deliberately acts out or assumes a particular character or role.
act·ing
adj.
(1) Temporarily assuming the duties or authority of another. See synonyms at temporary.
(2) a.That contains directions for use in a dramatic performance: the play's acting text.
b.That is appropriate for dramatic performance: an acting comedy.
n.
The occupation of an actor or actress.
Performance as an actor or actress.
False behavior; pretense.
I hope my post helps in some way. :) I typed role-play/role-player 15 times in my post! :o :lol:
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I've forgot to say: Nearly a year ago I've founded the KidsCorner Guild (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23240.0) for avoiding strange situations.
Oh, this guild is so much RP for sure^^
I don't see a room for kids who could be somehow mentally spoiled by playing game which is for mature people.
This is just another factor which disrupts RP and so the purpose of this game. Really, if my char will have to interact with someone who does what my char stand against i really won't try to look out as the char may be controlled by 12 old kid. If they are going to play this game, they eighter need to have ability to rp mature character or play kid character.
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....... which is for mature people.
......... If they are going to play this game, they eighter need to have ability to rp mature character or play kid character.
But this game isn't just for mature people. It is for all ages. There is no stipulation on how you must act or role-play. If a character is acting out and is obviously young and not mature to your liking then a good role-player will role-play around that. Period. This game is never going to be for just "mature" peoples. There are adults out there who act like a five year olds. A younger person who acts immature shouldn't be pushed into a guild just for that reason. Maybe they don't want to be in a guild identifying them as a young player. Maybe they want to stay away from the stereo types and labels. Plus they may "role-play" a character being immature but may not necessarily be that way in real life. They may just enjoy taking on the role at the time because they feel like it.
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Just because someone is young doesn't mean they're immature and vice versa.
But this game isn't just for mature people. It is for all ages.
This implies the opposite.
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Mature
(1) a. Having reached full natural growth or development: a mature cell.
b. Having reached a desired or final condition; ripe: a mature cheese.
(2) Of, relating to, or characteristic of full development, either mental or physical: mature for her age.
Everyone is different. If you can relate to the person beside you that is lets say 10 years old then you might see them as mature. However if you can not relate then you may tend to see them as immature. Same goes for someone who is in there 30's.
Now you can stop picking apart what I said because it isn't how you thought I meant it. :)
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But this game isn't just for mature people. It is for all ages. There is no stipulation on how you must act or role-play. If a character is acting out and is obviously young and not mature to your liking then a good role-player will role-play around that. Period. This game is never going to be for just "mature" peoples. There are adults out there who act like a five year olds. A younger person who acts immature shouldn't be pushed into a guild just for that reason. Maybe they don't want to be in a guild identifying them as a young player. Maybe they want to stay away from the stereo types and labels. Plus they may "role-play" a character being immature but may not necessarily be that way in real life. They may just enjoy taking on the role at the time because they feel like it.
You don't get the point of what i have wrote. I nevr said you have to be mature to play PS, in short, i said you need to be able to act like mature person if you are going to play mature character^^
You know, these 1337 people, maybe even mature, maybe can't behalve in different way, like some kids cant act mature. Like we dont' accept the first, we don't accept any similiar.
Whatever, continue your discussion, only with such ideas don't expect PS to be roleplaying game, but only just another MMOG only with poor features ;)
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Whatever, continue your discussion, only with such ideas don't expect PS to be roleplaying game, but only just another MMOG only with poor features ;)
I see and understand your point now. Your correct , to play mature means to "role-play" mature like.
What I have quoted however, I am sorry but I don't agree. Planeshift is already known for it's great role-play community. It doesn't fit into the category of just another MMOG. It is far beyond that. I know this because I have heard many say it. It is all over the forums and in players words. "I looked for another role-play game just like ps but none of them compare with the role-playing or the community." is what I hear frequently. Some of these other MMOG games are finished. Imagine that! That is a great compliment to planeshift, it's community and the dev team.
You seem to not have a very high opinion of ps from the posts I have read from you in the forums. I wonder why you even bother to play if you dislike the features so much? Why do you constantly take shots like in your quote? "It is just another MMOG, only with poor features." If you have nothing to offer the community or the dev's in fixing the things you dislike, I think maybe one should keep his opinions to himself unless they prove to be helpful.
I don't know how many times people will have to repeat this but it is still being created. Of course the game has poor features and it is kind of common sense that it wouldn't be the most user friendly game. When it isn't being created anymore and it is finished I bet the features will rock. The features have to be made first though and tested. That is what you are doing .... remember?
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If i didn't care about PS, i wouldn't be there ;P
And when i complain, I always add if. There is just no point in telling how PS is great in many aspects, while there are already loads of people doing this. Read my posts carefully and you see it has a positive purpose.
But it is getting offtopic.
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If i didn't care about PS, i wouldn't be there ;P
And when i complain, I always add if. There is just no point in telling how PS is great in many aspects, while there are already loads of people doing this. Read my posts carefully and you see it has a positive purpose.
But it is getting offtopic.
(1) Never said you didn't or did care.
(2) I didn't spend any time in my post telling of the great aspects of planeshift. I only answered your false claim to planeshift being or turning into another MMOG only with poor features.
(3) I do read them carefully. I see someone who has a negitive opinoin not positive. I could be reading wrong but your replies aren't helping me change my mind or look at your posts in a new light to be honst with you.
(4) Agreed this is getting off topic.
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Plus they may "role-play" a character being immature but may not necessarily be that way in real life.
Personally I have what I consider to be two main chars, one is Idoru, I consider this to be most lke me in RL, relatively mature, kind, helpful and friendly (I hope others can see me as such). My other Char is pretty much the opposite, immature, manipulative, aggressive (in certain situations), and unfriendly to the majority of good (allignment) players that he is trying to exploit.
Neither one of these characters fully embodies who I am. Idoru is far more patient than myself in RL, my other Char is not like me at all.
Just because I may RP an immature char doesnt mean I am in RL.
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Idoru makes a good point. I have several characters and some may be like me to some extent and some may be unlike me so that I can learn to stretch my roleplay.
There are some adults who can roleplay younger characters well and some younger players who can roleplay mature adults. But unless I know the individual personally, I treat every child or childlike character as possibly being played by someone who is not an adult. It not only helps me in my rp but means I am less likely to say something inappropriate to someone who is not an adult. If I suspect that the "adult" character I am dealing with is not an adult then I also take that in account in deciding how to rp.
I think the real issue is that if you feel somehow protected by some sort of disclaimer or that it is somebody else's responsibilty if a child ends up in an inappropriate situation then you can be making a major mistake.
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This may come as a shock, but Im only 11, and I'm not even supervised. I personally don't consider myself a back RPer, but I guess thats your oppinion. I would be pretty bad if Hi hadn't been playing Furcadia before. In Furcadia, there are no items, gold, quests, ect, which makes both social OOC stuff and RP important. It's also why people have desided to make these HUGE posts, and try to describe everything. Also, down with R-rated, up with violence (I'v been playing Age of Empires 2 since I was 3).
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There are "bad" roleplayers and bad roleplayers
Bad RPers: Dislikes roleplaying, but that may change once they grow older(or not)
"Bad" RPers: Lacks experience on roleplaying, but are willing to learn it
For the second type... I think the newbie helping guilds should be willing to teach them about roleplaying so they can improve their skills(If they don't do it already).
Also... Akaye said that I made a bad comparation with acting... Well, it worked when I explained it to another player apparently young(a "bad" roleplayer). I think it is a pretext to justify the side effects of bad roleplayers.
Movies and acting are more known than roleplaying... Comparisons are easier ways to explain things that are somewhat similar. Using the acting example(common knowledge) is a nice way to give a basic explanation on RP for those new to the concept, even if acting and roleplaying aren't the same thing. Also I would like to remind what he said about roleplaying, that shows the regard he had for RP. So it is a obvious example of the bad roleplayer or leet. And convincing someone to do something that he actually dislikes is almost impossible, if not impossible.
Leet says: thats gay i dont wanna
P.S. : I will congratulate you Akaye, if you convince this guy to learn, practice and develop roleplaying right now(I can PM you the name of his character if you wish to give a try)
P.S 2: No really convincing explanation on why to keep it for all ages. Why doesn't someone just assume the only "explanation" is
"We did it this way and that is it! No one will change it because we want it like this!" (all I got here is that it will stay this way... nothing can change it... and so on). Also, if one shows me an 1 year old capable of playing this game... then I will take out the utopian criticism on the "for all ages". I don't mind if the devs wish to keep it this way for purely personal reasons and don't have a rational explanation for it.
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Why should we limit this fun place based on age? You are the one that hasn't provided a single good reason.. :] In fact many people have explained why this would be a bad idea - such as limiting future devs, cutting out a lot of young talent, missing the chance to nurture good RP in new generations.
We want people to have fun - yes, that sometimes means that you'll have people being immature. But in this community, immaturity has very little to do with age ;} We're not interested in adult content, in adding more violence, etc. So part of the reason is definitely personal. This is the type of game we want to build, so we're building it.
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Why should we limit this fun place based on age? You are the one that hasn't provided a single good reason.. :] In fact many people have explained why this would be a bad idea - such as limiting future devs, cutting out a lot of young talent, missing the chance to nurture good RP in new generations.
Then next time when someone whines about "buggers", you should apologize for not seeing it before hand and immediately remove it from the game code (kill the server and only restart it when it's fixed), because the current rating says this game is for ages 10 and up.
If someone rps a thief, or some other form of bad guy, ban him (or her) because it would be a bad influence on the children.
Please don't forget when someone makes a texture (or model) that shows a tiny bit of the chars body (aside from the face), kick the guy from the dev group, and curse his name!
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Hold up there. Nothing wrong with showing skin. That's the prude in society talking.
As to restricting by age due to the content of the game.... for one, it will never work. Kids are much smarter than you think when they have their mind set on something, and you could not keep them out. Second, the morning news and Saturday cartoons are filled with more of just about everything that has been talked about here. I am sure all of this ahs been said in other posts.
Now, restricting access due to intelligence...... *evil grin* That in itself would make the game more child friendly. Stupid comes in all ages.
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Now, restricting access due to intelligence...... *evil grin* That in itself would make the game more child friendly. Stupid comes in all ages.
I havn't really read the full thread and I'm sure all the good points have been taken. But I had to say I love that line UtM :D :D
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If someone rps a thief, or some other form of bad guy, ban him (or her) because it would be a bad influence on the children.
You have got to be kidding me!!!! Is this some kind of joke???
Eublepharis have you seen what the television teaches kids, even the cartoons? Or magazines? Or everyday life and what they hear in school? How about the movie Robinhood? Disney made it, kids watch it, and the fox (robinhood) is a thief! Do we ban that too?
I think planeshift is childs play compared.
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The guy's being sarcastic :P (I hope)
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Hey I have an idea. If someone starts up a sock puppet account on the forums to make outrageous posts they should be banned. Oh ... Wait ... :@#\ ... That's what I am.
Fudge.
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hmmm...theres always the options of 18 = games if thats what you want so badly... :whistling: :flowers:
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The guy's being sarcastic :P (I hope)
LOL, amazing, out of six replies, you were the only to get it, my bad, I should learn to keep my posts really short ...
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You mean you're not a sock puppet Eubl?
My bad. I really thought you were and was replying in kind.
Time to go back into hibernation. :thumbup:
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LOL, amazing, out of six replies, you were the only to get it, my bad, I should learn to keep my posts really short ...
Nah just use a >o), a :o, a :whistling:, or some such thing to give a clue.
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LOL, amazing, out of six replies, you were the only to get it, my bad, I should learn to keep my posts really short ...
Nah just use a >o), a :o, a :whistling:, or some such thing to give a clue.
I'll do that next time, thx ;)
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Don't you think that the game already has a 'defence' against people with an aversion to roleplaying? The fact that Planeshift is still in the earlier stages of development and does not have all of the features of some of the bigger MMOs out there means that many of these non-roleplaying gamers may be drawn away from Planeshift because the real attraction (at least for me) is the community, rather than the game itself.
Sort of a 'n00b filter.' ;)
(As an added note, I am thirteen years old.)
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(As an added note, I am thirteen years old.)
As an added not, don't your parents care that their thirteen year old boy spend hours and hours playing a game with complete strangers that also happen to be 10 or even 20 years older then the him?
Did I see someone doing the Moonwalk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwalk_(dance))? ;D
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Well no, Eublepharis, because:
a) I don't spend hours and hours playing the game, and
b) My parents appreciate that I am able to take care of myself in an environment "with complete strangers that also happen to be 10 or even 20 years older then the him"
Completely unrelated to Eublepharis (not sarcasm), I wonder how people might have seen my post had I not mentioned my age?
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(As an added note, I am thirteen years old.)
As an added not, don't your parents care that their thirteen year old boy spend hours and hours playing a game with complete strangers that also happen to be 10 or even 20 years older then the him?
Did I see someone doing the Moonwalk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwalk_(dance))? ;D
Forget 10 or 20. There are 50 year olds playing this game.
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There are 50 year olds playing this game.
And 60 year olds.
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Completely unrelated to Eublepharis (not sarcasm), I wonder how people might have seen my post had I not mentioned my age?
That I wonder as well, indeed.
Just today I heard another discussion about blacklisting all the FPS because they "make people violent" and so on. (Maybe not everyone knows that in Germany already two guys went berserk with guns in schools killing people and both played FPS).
I have played such "bloodthirsty" games as child (with 10? - can't quite recall exactly the age) and I know the impacts on the psyche very well - yet I never killed people and whatever.
My point being is that games are just another ressource of experience. And experience inherently modifies the psyche - whether child or not.
The important part is that experience has to be filtered and handled. This is crucial in this discussion. Especially children (as they have fewer lifeexperience obviously) need to be taught how to handle this new experience - whether by friends, parents or in school.
A child has to know what information can be given out and what NEVER should be given out (like address, passwords, etc.) and that if ANYTHING strange happens it should be told to a trusted person in RL.
Children are not stupid beings. They often only lack the information they need to make the right decisions (but this often is also the case for grown ups - just take the many uneducated people who open .exe files with the name "best photo of the year" and whatnot).
As parent it might appear easier to decide over a game for your child by the amount of blood shown, exposed body parts and so forth. But most of these criteria are nothing but trivialisations for the sake of making an easier decision. What really makes the game - the intention and ideas being associated aren't obvious at first sight, but this is what should be really the core of the decision.
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Completely unrelated to Eublepharis (not sarcasm), I wonder how people might have seen my post had I not mentioned my age?
I don't think anyone can have an answer for that question unfortantly. I did however like the answer you gave about your parents and you playing planeshift ...... it was great. I didn't think it was very fair to assume your parents possibly don't care because you were playing a game with strangers. You are obviously not five years old and can handle talking to strangers. ;)
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To add to kerols post .....
I think the only reason why people blame violent games and movies for childrens behavior is because they failed to provide a good example to their children and can't admit so. These are parents who are letting their children play for hours and hours on end and not taking the time to show interest or explain some of the images a child will see. Children are smart and if talked to will develop a healthy attitude and out look on life. I shall give an example, though it isn't with voilent video games.
Right now in my daughters (she is five) school there are these dolls called "Brats." The site link (http://www.bratz.com/) Every little girl has to have them. I have told her I won't buy them for her. She asked me why and I explained that I don't like the image they send out to little girls. I told her I think it is sick tht they paint up the baby bratz dolls with make up to look like adults and feel that they are trying to make young girls grow up a little to quickly. I don't think they dress approprietly either. My daughter asked me if I would throw out the bratz doll if someone bought it for her for her birthday or christmas. I told her no, that it was her own choice if she wanted to keep the doll. I wanted her to understand that I wasn't going to force my opinon on her but that I wasn't going to support something I didn't agree with. We were window shopping the other day and she was looking at the bratz and barbie dolls. She looked up at me after viewing the dolls and for a moment I felt bad and told her if she really really really wanted the bratz doll I would buy it for her. (What she has those love me I am so cute eyes. My morals and opinoins can't stand up to that sometimes :P) She smiled at me and and told me no. She said "I think you are right mommy, these don't look like little girls. I think I would like barbie instead because at least she acts her age." *Zorbels takes a moment to chuckle*
She is around little girls who constantly brag about what bratz doll they have now. She heard my opinion and and theirs then made up her own mind regaurdless of what I felt or the peer pressure of the little girls who have a million bratz dolls. It is up to your child to make these choices but providing them with information and you opinions as parents helps. They look up to you. If my daughter wants to play planeshift at age ten alone I think I will let her because what she has shown me is she is capable of making sound decisions (for now but that could change ... who knows?). I will just have to go over some ground rules with her and trust she will come and get me if something isn't right.
I don't think planeshift should be restricted to people above 18. I have meet some awesome teens that blow my mind away when they roleplay. To take that away from planeshift would be to kill the community in my humble opinion.
[edited] Edited to correct a mistake.
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I think the initial post raises valid points and I do not want to see them summarily dismissed. A disproportionate number of talented rpers are older, and more of the difficult players are younger. Education maturity and innate RP talent all play into what makes a good rper. Planeshift will not be going adult only. However, players should be aware there is effort being put into promoting and encouraging RP as well as game features to train people regardless of age how to play a character in Yliakum. As always, patience is needed for the many good ideas to come to fruition. Most people who refuse to RP do eventually quit Planeshift, if the question is whether tolerating obnoxious folks of all ages for the 2-5% who can be “redeemed” and turned toward beginning the long road to learning to be a good role player and create good stories is worthwhile, my answer is yes.
Should PS support RPers primarily? Yes and it does, and will more so as time progresses.
More can be done and is being done. I doubt there is a way I can assure players that their voices are heard or that the developers are working around the clock to better PS. I can however make the attempt. We do verily trouble ourselves over how best to support RP and provide opportunities for those who come to PS not knowing how to RP to learn it.
The “for all ages” thing will not change but we can work toward other methods of facilitating good immersive RP. You can pm me the player name of the person who blew you off when you tried to help them and I will make the attempt however foolish it might be to teach them to RP. Some people are not ready to learn RP or have no desire this is just true.
Dowanger and I are friends have been since he began I helped him throughout his training and him and I practiced dueling quite a bit before he won Proglin’s tournament. Initially, he never really learned how to RP, and never seemed to care too much for it. He just wanted to be the best duelist in the game. He accomplished that. I have not been able to get him to RP, (perhaps he is now I have not been IG for some time) but I have made great strides toward getting him to respect other people’s roleplaying. He is not a child neither is he unintelligent. At one time he may have been a detriment to several people’s immersion (he outright refused to speak IC OR use brackets for a time) but this does not seem to be the case as much anymore. Regardless of how Dowanger behaves or behaved, he has given many hours to people, both RPers and non teaching them how to become better duelists. This willingness to teach others to me is an asset to the game and should be coupled with a willingness to learn RP. Dowanger has at points asked for help learning to RP. Many of his early indiscretions or his dismissive attitude toward RP at the beginning haunts him now, but I do not know how much they should. I for one am glad he stayed and now displays a willingness to learn RP.
Roleplaying is a complex skill I have been doing it for 17 years now, 16 by the time I got to PS. In PS, I have been called a godmodder a pler and a poor RPer here and there due to subjective criteria of some players. RP in PS in a way that reflects the settings is very difficult. When you couple that complexity with the need to understand the histories of players and player events to be a good fit for the community, you have an incredibly daunting task for a random person of any age who happened upon PS. It took me months to get to know the books, the npc dialogues, the history of players, the forums, IRC, all vital elements of RP in PS at this point in development.
Very few people know how to RP well enough to teach it to others. The common set of instructions given to a new player by older players is not sufficient to teach this elaborate skill. Many good RPers are not good teachers. Many people are intuitively good at RP but do not have the linguistic proficiency to pull it off well. Many who think they RP well do not. Many who think they RP poorly do not. Almost all of the above can be alleviated at least to a degree by turning our eyes inward and focusing on building our own skills to match the needs of this wonderful game.
As for intelligence, I think PS community already has an IQ advantage on other games.
I further believe this will increase over time. The fact PS it is cross-platformed is a huge advantage in this regard, as it promotes a reduction of tensions and elitism based on ridiculous matters of which OS beats which other OS. The conversations even about the topic of OS are more civilized, intelligent, and not so pseudo religious as I have encountered elsewhere. I believe that the need to RP to be accepted in the PS community aids this by providing a criteria for success in this community that is related to English literacy, acting ability, and knowledge of the settings levels out all other arguments fairly effectively.
PS is and will remain a self-selecting community.
I encourage patience as opposed to frustration, suggestion over complaint.
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A chance in rating would not mean necessarily that younger children wouldn't play or that they should get banned. It would only serve as a waning to parents and also give more freedom to the devs and gm's.
You can ask, How would the GM and Devs enforce such rating? Well think of movies that are PG, as oposed to movies that are rated R.
Are all the R rated movies nasty with sex and violence all over them? Nope.
Are younger children allowed into theaters were R rated movies are shown? You bet as long as they meet certain conditions.
Would a parent scream at the Theater owner for allowing her young 13 yo boy into a R rated movie? Of course, but the owner can say that they do all they can to prevent children for coming in, and it is the parents job to keep tabs on their child, not the theater.
How can a free, opensource, running on a charity server, game like Planeshift enforce the rating? Simple, have some warnings in the download page. And another in the players manual. The rest are up to the parents.
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Warnings about what, though? We don't have anything that would warrant a rating above "PG," and we don't feel any need to create content that would raise it.
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Warnings about what, though? We don't have anything that would warrant a rating above "PG," and we don't feel any need to create content that would raise it.
There was a thread about the "bugger" word, that was something above a "PG" rating.
The RPing aspect of the game is above a "PG" rating.
The content today doesn't have anything offensive, but are you willing to restrict the development so it will never have anything above it?
The fact that beer is served in a tavern.
The fact that there are guild that rp robbers and certain cases even drug dealers.
The fact that the kids might get solicited.
The fact that parents will one day come to you (as they always do) and say that since this is a PG rated game, you should always provide an environment were their 10 year old can safely play.
The fact that this is not a commercial game (maybe it will be one day?) and so, it doesn't absolutely have to grab the largest amount of players available expecting to get some cash or other type of support in return.
The fact you wouldn't have to spend as much time babysitting as a moderator.
Those are just some I could think of, no doubt people could come up with more...
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I babysit "kids" that are into their 20's and 30's. In all my time as a moderator, the problems I have had with individuals around the age of 13 can be counted on one hand.
This will never be a commercial game. We want to grab a large amount of players because we like large amounts of players enjoying what we have to offer.
Ten-year-olds can already play safely in PS, and there are many that do. Any offensive language or public behavior is stopped - and there are far worse things parents need to watch if they let their children go on the net even before they reach PS.
You want a warning about kids perhaps being solicited..? That's a danger with anything online. Again refer to my point above.
There are Disney movies with robbers and murderers.
How is beer in a tavern in a medieval fantasy game a problem? What parent is going to find that a problem? Please get them and their kids out of our game immediately.
We do not want stronger "adult" content. You're not going to see it. This is the position of the dev team, and of the project leader.
That bugger thread was the most ridiculous thing I've seen in this forum this year. Neither I nor any other member of the dev team consider it an offensive word, and Xordan offered to get it changed to stop people complaining and driving each other mad.
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Zorbels, you and my wife are of the same mind, that's why my daughter never got Barbie dolls.
I think that trying to limit ps to a certain age group wouldn't work anyway and then would leave everybody with the false conclusion that anyone you meet must be an adult. Kids are clever, they are much more sophisticated than many of their parents about computers and have access to them all over the place. Even if the parents have placed the computer at home where they can watch their child's activity, libraries have computers or there is always a friend whose parent's aren't watching the computer. There is no absolutley safe place I can send my child too. Are the boyscouts absolutely safe, church groups absolutley safe? There are too many examples of cases where children in those groups ended up in trouble. And those parents thought they were doing all they could to keep their child safe.
I haven't seen anything in ps that kids don't hear about or see most days. If they haven't they are probably home schooled with no telvision, no friends and no computer.
I have to respect the ps devs and gms for being proactive when they become aware of something that they consider inappropiate. That is the best we can ask of any community wherever. For those people who complain that this means they can't adult rp and it cramps their style, I have to say the same thing that I have head said over and over. This is free. If you want a place you can rp on "adult" topics you won't have to look far. Unlikely it will be free though.
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There's always group channel for the times your character wants to snuggle with their significant other. Just put the two characters close together and go to group. You have fun, and it doesn't bother anyone else. :)
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There was a thread about the "bugger" word, that was something above a "PG" rating.
The RPing aspect of the game is above a "PG" rating.
The content today doesn't have anything offensive, but are you willing to restrict the development so it will never have anything above it?
The fact that beer is served in a tavern.
The fact that there are guild that rp robbers and certain cases even drug dealers.
The fact that the kids might get solicited.
The fact that parents will one day come to you (as they always do) and say that since this is a PG rated game, you should always provide an environment were their 10 year old can safely play.
The fact that this is not a commercial game (maybe it will be one day?) and so, it doesn't absolutely have to grab the largest amount of players available expecting to get some cash or other type of support in return.
The fact you wouldn't have to spend as much time babysitting as a moderator.
Those are just some I could think of, no doubt people could come up with more...
None of these are threating enough for me as a parent to not let my child play or for me to expect planeshift to have a higher rating than PG. That is because I would talk with my child and make her aware of the do's and don'ts. I beleive in another thread I mentioned Roobinhood and he was in fact a thief. (or maybe it was this one? ????) May have been for a good reason but still a theif none the less. This was a disney movie. There are a ton of kids movies out there that show far more harmful images than planeshift. There are parents who drink in front of their kids. There are way more things for parents to worry about than this simple game. Planeshift can't babysit everyones child. It is the parents responsiblity. If they do a poor job at parenting that isn't planeshifts fault and they can't idiot proof the game.
/me hugs Jackdaw wifes head "Well it's good to know I am not the only one!"
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I actually find this topic pretty interesting although I'm not parent myself, nor am I child anymore, but it has to do with the usage and view of people at media in general.
As I wrote in my first post in this thread, I think the work - teaching the children how to handle experiences with media - has to be done at the parent/school front mainly.
However, I see many parents in PlaneShift playing together with their children. And in this very thread a couple of parents already "outed" themselves as such.
As community moderator and interested person myself I work towards a self-aware and responsible community - and there is nothing better to promote just this than productive discussions.
This is also the reason why I would like to propose a meeting place for parents who have their children in PS - favourably on IRC as I think "too" public places like the forums prevent some people to touch touchy subjects. Such a meeting place should be seen as a place to discuss just this - teaching your children how to take this new experience.
I imagine such a place similar to the "childrens corner" only for parents to find people in similar situations and to exchange experience.
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I also think as we go on that ps will become more educational, more logic and math problems in quests etc. This will increase the appeal of the game for parents I think. Also challenge the adults. :sorcerer:
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I also think as we go on that ps will become more educational, more logic and math problems in quests etc. This will increase the appeal of the game for parents I think. Also challenge the adults. :sorcerer:
Hope this "educational" doesn't implies on purple stupid dinosaurs called "Barney" or in ridiculous "aliens" of doubtful gender called "Teletubbies".... Disneyshifttm :whistling:
Those guys think that children are brainless and stupid by making such retarded stuff...
P.S.: Planeshift lacks any real challenge for the mind, hope things like "detective quests"(investigations) become available to make things more interesting... Also I hope that guild wars will need more strategy than brute force once this game is finished.
P.S. 2: I hope these math quests don't involve Integrals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral) :@#\
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P.S.: Planeshift lacks any real challenge for the mind, hope things like "detective quests"(investigations) become available to make things more interesting... Also I hope that guild wars will need more strategy than brute force once this game is finished.
Just what game are you playing? There already are 'detective' quests in Planeshift. And guild wars DEFINATELY require good strategy and not just brute force, unless your opponent is stupid.
If you want a detective quest, try talking to the armourer's wife up the stairs near the Hydlaa exit leading to the forest.
Strategy in guild wars means everything from surprise attacks, to attacking in groups, to taking reasonable defensive positions, etc. I've used all of these things in guild wars to lead people to victory, and I've been the victim of a few sneaky things as well.
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P.S.: Planeshift lacks any real challenge for the mind, hope things like "detective quests"(investigations) become available to make things more interesting... Also I hope that guild wars will need more strategy than brute force once this game is finished.
Just what game are you playing? There already are 'detective' quests in Planeshift. And guild wars DEFINATELY require good strategy and not just brute force, unless your opponent is stupid.
If you want a detective quest, try talking to the armourer's wife up the stairs near the Hydlaa exit leading to the forest.
Strategy in guild wars means everything from surprise attacks, to attacking in groups, to taking reasonable defensive positions, etc. I've used all of these things in guild wars to lead people to victory, and I've been the victim of a few sneaky things as well.
It is pretty limited right now(And btw I didn't know about that quest), but I believe more "detective" quests will be available in the future, alongside with those made by the community...
About strategy
The current combat system doesn't gives combat advantages for those standing on elevated terrains(hills) for example.
Also the individual way weapons hits(If you swing a weapon against a crowded mob, it will only hit the target you selected) and that shields are apparently supposed to work means that doing things like forming a phalanx to protect against arrows(Once they are available) are pretty useless... the guilds with the most power-leveled characters usually wins, regardless of tatics. Although some strategies still are applicable, most of it isn't.
P.S.: I don't mind if it isn't possible or planned... I already have some RTSes where I do that kind of combat.
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I rarely say this, but I fully agree with Zanzibar here.
The quests we are working on recently are far from the difficulty level of the previous quests.
About combat:
You must have missed the complete political and intellictual warfare ingame so far :)
Maybe you should try to RP more?
I also would like to get some feedback from the grown-ups reading this thread what they think about my suggestion to get a #planeshift-parents (or alike) channel started on IRC in order to discuss education matters and how to involve their children, etc.
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I was talking about using strategy(formations, strategic positions, war plans(Easy to RP this one) etc) on battles (Just daydreaming... this isn't a RTS 8) )
I know about the "information warfare"(doublespeak, etc)and about the "political pressures"(Hope the political systems comes next year)
Also I am glad that more interesting quests will come. Not very fond of brainless power-leveling...
P.S.: Using roleplay for combat? It is pretty difficult without a dungeon master to control it(Usually the one that gaves up first on convincing he is the winner loses). Dice rolling an alternative combat system may aid a little... but it requires some serious roleplaying from both sides. And this is about individual duels... I'm not sure if great battles are suitable enough to be roleplayed, knowing the amount of "leets" on this game(No one likes to lose).
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The current combat system doesn't gives combat advantages for those standing on elevated terrains(hills) for example.
Yes it does. The first thing is visibility - knowing where your enemy is coming from. A more important advantage though is that being above your oponent gives you the option of jumping down for a hit and run attack.
Also the individual way weapons hits(If you swing a weapon against a crowded mob, it will only hit the target you selected) and that shields are apparently supposed to work means that doing things like forming a phalanx to protect against arrows(Once they are available) are pretty useless... the guilds with the most power-leveled characters usually wins, regardless of tatics. Although some strategies still are applicable, most of it isn't.
But if you're fighting with shortcuts, forming ranks means that you won't be autotargetting your own guys. Confusion = loss, not to mention the advantages of attacking in groups.
I rarely say this, but I fully agree with Zanzibar here.
It seems to happen quite often for something so rare. :)
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I'm sure, after 9 pages, nobody really cares what I think... But I'm going to tell you anyway :P
Any kid who's smart enough to play this game is smart enough to RP. All you need to do is explain how and why they should do it.
Any kid who's not smart enough to play this game will give up pretty soon anyway.
As for the PG rating - I think that should be at the discretion of the RPers and what's required of the RP. As long as you make sure everyone within earshot is fine with it, I think we should be able to do as we like.
Just like real-life.
I mean, what's RPing without swearing, violence and sexual tension?
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i dunnos...if people want to rp something so drastically off the pg rating, well theres always group chat ;)
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i dunnos...if people want to rp something so drastically off the pg rating, well theres always group chat
Exactly, ive seen so many things that wouldnt fit into the PG rating, but they have happened in private, away from the community as a whole. If someone isnt comfortable with what is said or 'done' they just leave the channel.
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good roleplayers are generally adults (i.e. about 14+)
however, the best roleplayers are generally those that have lots of experience at roleplaying... so of course they will be older... and the younger people get experience at it, the better they will get...
also, children usually have better imaginations than adults which can help... (although this isnt so important in MMORPGs...)
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Your argument is a good one..but I'm 22 and I dont know if I am good roleplayer or a bad one but hell I got better, you would be surprised at 12 or 10 year olds who make this game great and older players who can make it worse, but its all in your opinion. It would be better if we didnt restrict ages but helped others roleplay better.
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It's time someone heard from an 11 year old's point of view. First of all, I have no idea how a drug dealer ended up in a medieval world. Second, thieves are a part of life. Ya hear it on the news, ya hear it from other people. Third of all, my parents think I'm responsible to play this game by myself(I'v been playing a teen rated game since I was 3) Now take Rayman for instance, Rayman 3 to be precise. In Rayman 3 theres guns, violence, weapons, Globox gets drunk on prune juice, and ofcourse, more guns. And it's also rated E. I'v played most of the games in the B&W series, and my friend (Also 11) plays Fable on her Xbox. And you won't belive what some people say at school...... My point is that 11 year olds play alot of things that have ALOT of violence...... Among other things........
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It's time someone heard from an 11 year old's point of view. First of all, I have no idea how a drug dealer ended up in a medieval world. Second, thieves are a part of life. Ya hear it on the news, ya hear it from other people. Third of all, my parents think I'm responsible to play this game by myself(I'v been playing a teen rated game since I was 3) Now take Rayman for instance, Rayman 3 to be precise. In Rayman 3 theres guns, violence, weapons, Globox gets drunk on prune juice, and ofcourse, more guns. And it's also rated E. I'v played most of the games in the B&W series, and my friend (Also 11) plays Fable on her Xbox. And you won't belive what some people say at school...... My point is that 11 year olds play alot of things that have ALOT of violence...... Among other things........
I think it is agreed there are far worse games out there when it comes to the settings stand point. PS is very mild comparitivly,but from an RP stand point, it can be only limited by the imagination.
With your experience Gyerfry, how far do you take your Role Playing? how violent do you let situations get? and how do you relate game violence to real life violence? I only ask because of your 7 years experience in somewhat violent games, and am curious on how you precieve things.
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It's time someone heard from an 11 year old's point of view. First of all, I have no idea how a drug dealer ended up in a medieval world. Second, thieves are a part of life. Ya hear it on the news, ya hear it from other people. Third of all, my parents think I'm responsible to play this game by myself(I'v been playing a teen rated game since I was 3) Now take Rayman for instance, Rayman 3 to be precise. In Rayman 3 theres guns, violence, weapons, Globox gets drunk on prune juice, and ofcourse, more guns. And it's also rated E. I'v played most of the games in the B&W series, and my friend (Also 11) plays Fable on her Xbox. And you won't belive what some people say at school...... My point is that 11 year olds play alot of things that have ALOT of violence...... Among other things........
So your parents don't do a good job raising you, your school sucks, and your friend has some equally uncaring parents...
Your post only proves your parents should spend more time on your education and less money getting you the newest violent, drug crazed, with the best graphics games on the market.
Or maybe it proves they should started with a dog first, then moved on to a baby... ;D
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It's time someone heard from an 11 year old's point of view. First of all, I have no idea how a drug dealer ended up in a medieval world. Second, thieves are a part of life. Ya hear it on the news, ya hear it from other people. Third of all, my parents think I'm responsible to play this game by myself(I'v been playing a teen rated game since I was 3) Now take Rayman for instance, Rayman 3 to be precise. In Rayman 3 theres guns, violence, weapons, Globox gets drunk on prune juice, and ofcourse, more guns. And it's also rated E. I'v played most of the games in the B&W series, and my friend (Also 11) plays Fable on her Xbox. And you won't belive what some people say at school...... My point is that 11 year olds play alot of things that have ALOT of violence...... Among other things........
So your parents don't do a good job raising you, your school sucks, and your friend has some equally uncaring parents...
Your post only proves your parents should spend more time on your education and less money getting you the newest violent, drug crazed, with the best graphics games on the market.
Or maybe it proves they should started with a dog first, then moved on to a baby... ;D
Thats a very fast judgement, that is why I asked a few questions. Every situation is different, you cannot make an informed observation without asking questions.
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So your parents don't do a good job raising you, your school sucks, and your friend has some equally uncaring parents...
Your post only proves your parents should spend more time on your education and less money getting you the newest violent, drug crazed, with the best graphics games on the market.
Or maybe it proves they should started with a dog first, then moved on to a baby...
And your post only proves that you are preopiniated and that your parents didn't teach you how to behave in public.
Was it necessary to flame a kid?
PS: Even if it was not a kid I find this behaviour rather asocial.
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Thanks Gyerfry for your post. I think it takes some courage to make such a post and shows that you are pretty mature - probably more mature than some people anticipate 11 year olds. Don't let yourself discourage from replies like these.
Also I think your post is precious in the discussion as a whole as you are one of those who are actually affected by the outcome. Too often grown-ups make decisions or form opinions about younger ones without actually gathering information only because they think "I was young once too, I know all about it" leaving out the fact that times change.
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And your post only proves that you are preopiniated and that your parents didn't teach you how to behave in public.
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Yes, you are right Kerol, when I was 3, my parents let me play Teen (13 or older) rated games with a lot of violence and drugs in them, my school sucked, and my friend's parents were equally clueless...
Since I am this way maybe I should apply for a Game Master + Dev position, could you give me a reference? \\o//
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And your post only proves that you are preopiniated and that your parents didn't teach you how to behave in public.
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Yes, you are right Kerol, when I was 3, my parents let me play Teen (13 or older) rated games with a lot of violence and drugs in them, my school sucked, and my friend's parents were equally clueless...
Since I am this way maybe I should apply for a Game Master + Dev position, could you give me a reference? \\o//
It would be due time to stop your pityful ad hominem attacks.
Sometimes I wonder whether people think children can be protected from violence by being blindfolded...
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Here (http://laanx.fragnetics.com/nexus/newapplicant.php) is the reference, feel free to apply :)
But regretfully it won't be enough to have these experiences to get a position, although it is a good start.
Some knowledge in the field of expertise you apply for however is needed too :]
And I agree with Cyl. Will refrain from making more off-topic posts from here.
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It's time someone heard from an 11 year old's point of view. First of all, I have no idea how a drug dealer ended up in a medieval world. Second, thieves are a part of life. Ya hear it on the news, ya hear it from other people. Third of all, my parents think I'm responsible to play this game by myself(I'v been playing a teen rated game since I was 3) Now take Rayman for instance, Rayman 3 to be precise. In Rayman 3 theres guns, violence, weapons, Globox gets drunk on prune juice, and ofcourse, more guns. And it's also rated E. I'v played most of the games in the B&W series, and my friend (Also 11) plays Fable on her Xbox. And you won't belive what some people say at school...... My point is that 11 year olds play alot of things that have ALOT of violence...... Among other things........
So your parents don't do a good job raising you, your school sucks, and your friend has some equally uncaring parents...
Your post only proves your parents should spend more time on your education and less money getting you the newest violent, drug crazed, with the best graphics games on the market.
Or maybe it proves they should started with a dog first, then moved on to a baby... ;D
My parents were pretty much the same (in letting me play what I liked pretty much)... and I ended up in the 9th best university (arguable of course) in the world... so your post is crap. Game usage doesn't reflect much on educational ability, nor on how well your parents bring you up.
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So your parents don't do a good job raising you, your school sucks, and your friend has some equally uncaring parents...
Your post only proves your parents should spend more time on your education and less money getting you the newest violent, drug crazed, with the best graphics games on the market.
Or maybe it proves they should started with a dog first, then moved on to a baby... ;D
Wow, I don't know if that was meant to be insulting .... especially with the dog baby statement. From what I have read it shows you have little to no experience with children though. You also don't seem to have a clue on what you are talking about. Your statement is very incorrect and disappointing.
Just because a parent lets their child play games with volence, and bloodshed doesn't mean the parents don't care and aren't supporting a college fund for their children. If your child shows that they can be responsible both with their attitude and actions then why should they be restricted with video games? Sure education is important but that has very little to do with video games.
My daughter has every console that nintendo ever made. She plays games that are made for kids way older than her and she enjoys them. Guess what? I love her and I care what she is up to. So there goes your theory out the door. She is five and above average in her class. She is responsible. She plays her video games but this doesn't affect her school work or her college budget one bit. To top it off, I never had a dog first to have a trial run. Yes thats right! I did it all without having a dog first. Imagine that!
Since I am this way maybe I should apply for a Game Master + Dev position, could you give me a reference? \\o//
Now this is definitly a joke right? With the attitude you just showed all these lovely people on the forums you want a Gm/Dev position? No I think you had better check with your parents first. It takes up alot of time and your parents may stop caring if you take this position according to you. Then you will never get into college. O.o Better not apply.
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It's time someone heard from an 11 year old's point of view. First of all, I have no idea how a drug dealer ended up in a medieval world. Second, thieves are a part of life. Ya hear it on the news, ya hear it from other people. Third of all, my parents think I'm responsible to play this game by myself(I'v been playing a teen rated game since I was 3) Now take Rayman for instance, Rayman 3 to be precise. In Rayman 3 theres guns, violence, weapons, Globox gets drunk on prune juice, and ofcourse, more guns. And it's also rated E. I'v played most of the games in the B&W series, and my friend (Also 11) plays Fable on her Xbox. And you won't belive what some people say at school...... My point is that 11 year olds play alot of things that have ALOT of violence...... Among other things........
I think it is agreed there are far worse games out there when it comes to the settings stand point. PS is very mild comparitivly,but from an RP stand point, it can be only limited by the imagination.
With your experience Gyerfry, how far do you take your Role Playing? how violent do you let situations get? and how do you relate game violence to real life violence? I only ask because of your 7 years experience in somewhat violent games, and am curious on how you precieve things.
Lol, I RP a 20 year old, and I'm not really doing a bad job if I say so myself. You'll have to ask Xillix though ;) . And I haven't seen too much violence. I'v seen a war between the thieves and the vespers, didn't get to stay long because I had to go. As for fighting monsters, what I see is "swing weapon around, put hand of cheast, monster hits you, monster dies(or you die)" Not much violence, I don't think it has much of an effect on our young minds. In real life vilence, well in PS it's WAY quieter then IRL. I'v had roleply experience before Planeshift, by playing Furcadia. I haven't murdered anyone, nor have I seen anything bad (Other then the Jaenious thing, lol, I got buried under rocks then they were testing the traps.)
In reply to that rude reply, you are thick, aren't you? How steriotypical. I'm going on A's and B's at school, thank you very much.
PS: One of the computer games I play is called Age of Empires 2, teaches alot about history, like Atilla the hun, Gahngis Kahn, and Joan of Arc.
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Thanks for your reply Gyerfry, I wish some other folks around here would be as mature when posting.
You express yourself very well, and seem to have a good grasp of reality. Such is not the case for all I am afraid, I have seen some very disturbing actions from people your age with a direct coralation to vidio games.
Its good to have people like you in this comunity, I hope to see you in-game sometime.
Laragorn
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Thank you Lar, on an off opic note, is there any way I can do some volenteer work for PS without becoming a dev (I'm too young for that)? I'm looking to be in the settings r 2D art department.
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is there any way I can do some volenteer work for PS without becoming a dev (I'm too young for that)? I'm looking to be in the settings r 2D art department.
First of all you should get to know PS very well, learn about the settings (here (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html), if you haven't read through all yet ;) ) and get to know as many people as possible (players, GMs, devs, etc).
I say this as a general statement because I see too many prospects with too little knowledge, if this isn't apply to you, don't feel offended.
You can become a contributor and contribute things you made. Best way to get things in this way is by giving the content to an actual dev.
If you want to know more about it, you can pm me or another dev or come on IRC in the channel #planeshift-prospects (althoug you don't want to be prospect).
You also can join a guild and try to work with your guildmates on different stuffs like stories or textures etc. if you haven't already.
Everyone with the skill, dedication and maturity is welcome to contribute :)
PS: This wasn't offtopic :innocent:
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Lol, how do you acually get into the IRC channel? I tried once, it asked me for a username and password, I'm like, "Wha...?"
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Enough :offtopic: -ness!
I'll tell you via pm :)