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Re: Are Children Mature Enough to RP? Why worry about "for all family"?
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2006, 08:05:29 pm »
maybe its cause im an american girl, and i dunnos if we have these "chavs" as prominently as there are other places, but i found it quite odd that a guy who acts all tough would wear a gold pendant with a rag doll or teddy bear on it...not that i dont beleive its possible, i jsut find it quite odd :P

I'm going to try to make this as politically correct as possible:  I think the American equivalent would be middle class caucasian males who have tried to adopt the image they associate with hip hop culture.
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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2006, 09:11:09 pm »
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I think the American equivalent would be middle class caucasian males who have tried to adopt the image they associate with hip hop culture.

Not exactly true. Chavs are a uniquely British thing. Identifiable by the fact they wear sports wear at all oppurtunities, have a bizzarre obsession with fake Burberry outfits (specifically Baseball caps and babies prams). They ONLY wear trainers, normally made by Nike and Adidas. They tuck the bottom of their trousers into their socks  X-/ , female Chavs almost always wear large loop earings. Chavs generally live in council estate and are 'non-working class' (by that I mean t;hey would be working class if it wasnt for the fact that work  is not something they will ever experience).

Oh, and Gharan, We know youre not a Chav ;)

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« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2006, 09:16:10 pm »
hmmm i suppose it could be considered the equivalent of american-wannabe-hip hop, though i jsut think its sad that there are people out there who ahve no repect for themselves adn others....but i suupose to each their own "shrugs"...though if someone ever told me that snoop dog was an american chav id prolly cry...

hmmm....i looked at the celebrity instances of chavs and i guess my picture of a "chav" got more clearer... :flowers:

edit :oks...sorry i didnt see the thing about bein on-topic...my bad, curiosity just gotto mes :/
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« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2006, 07:51:55 pm »
Going back on topic... I hope this kind of player I will show is a rarity in PS community...

Here is the chatlog... With his name hidden(If GMs are interested, I can give the chatlog)

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I say: [You should talk like you were your character]
Leet says: what
Leet says: i dont get it
I say: [You *charactername is a character right?]
Leet says: yea
I say: [Do you know about movies, where actors act like their characters?]
Leet says: yea
I say: [You should act like the character you are playing... Just like an actor acts like his character... This game is heavily oriented on roleplay]
Leet says: really
Leet says: wow
Leet says: i dont know how to act
I say: [And when you wish to speak as a player... you should put it between brackets]
Leet says: can u teach me
Leet says: why
Leet says: [why]
I say: [To make other players know you are talking as a player, not as your character]
Leet says: [ok]
I say: [Let me give you some hints... first make a personality for your character, is he serious or not? A shady one or very open and sociable? And so on]
Leet says *charactername says: ok
Leet says [i mean ok
I say: [Then talk like you were an actor representing your character]
Leet says: ]
Leet says: lol
Leet says: thats gay i dont wanna

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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2006, 07:56:59 pm »
lol, I thought  leet was doing ok untill the last line, I have had many conversations like that but they normally end better  :)

Atleast he will probably not come back.

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Re: Are Children Mature Enough to RP? Why worry about "for all family"?
« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2006, 08:20:47 pm »
I've forgot to say: Nearly a year ago I've founded the KidsCorner Guild (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23240.0) for avoiding strange situations.
This works well for my own ones.

Feel free to contact me, if you are a parent or wnat to be a kid in this guild.

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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2006, 09:17:31 pm »
I think maybe the player was overwhelmed and not relating to you lordraleigh. When I explain role-playing to a new person in planeshift I keep in mind that the player might not feel comfortable with "role-playing"  or feel that they are not good enough to even bother role-playing as another character. I usually start with small steps.

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Leet says: i dont know how to act
I say: [And when you wish to speak as a player... you should put it between brackets]
Leet says: can u teach me
Leet says: why
Leet says: [why]
I say: [To make other players know you are talking as a player, not as your character]

In this case explaining the /me helps a great deal and gets the role-playing rolling. I use that as a tool  to show new players just how easy role-playing can be. For example ....

* Akaye smiles at "player one" and settles into the tavern chair.

* Akaye takes a sip of ale and asks the group before him "Can any of you tell me how to get to Ojaveda?"

* Akaye takes a look around hydlaa plaza with her eyes wide with surprise

Those /me's tend to help the player to begin role-play in my experience. I also feel that telling these new players how you started role-playing is a great way for them to relate to you. For them to know that you started off not knowing anything about role-play will show that you were not perfect and have obviously advanced since playing the game. Taking them along with you to a role-play that you might be involved in can be very helpful for them to see and learn how others do it. Explaining role-play and how to do just doesn't have the same affect that watching others engage in it. They begin to realise it isn't just because you are saying to role-play that it should be done. They will see that others in game also take on these roles and enjoy the game for it's role-play. They also see different styles of role-play and begin to realise there is no right or wrong way.

I also want to correct something. You are not an actor per say. When you say that people start thinking of super stars and get intimidated thinking that they have to live up to that standard. Try to stay away from the word acting. Role-playing sounds much better and that is exactly what you are doing in game, assuming you are a role-player. I know there is a fine line between acting and role-playing, but none the less there is still a difference. I have posted the definitions down below.


role-play·ing
n.
(1) Psychology. A therapeutic technique, designed to reduce conflict in social situations, in which participants act out particular behavioral roles in order to expand their awareness of differing points of view.

(2) An instance or situation in which one deliberately acts out or assumes a particular character or role.

act·ing
adj.
(1) Temporarily assuming the duties or authority of another. See synonyms at temporary.

(2) a.That contains directions for use in a dramatic performance: the play's acting text.
     b.That is appropriate for dramatic performance: an acting comedy.
n.
The occupation of an actor or actress.
Performance as an actor or actress.
False behavior; pretense.


I hope my post helps in some way.  :) I typed role-play/role-player 15 times in my post! :o  :lol:

« Last Edit: December 04, 2006, 09:20:14 pm by Akaye »
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Re: Are Children Mature Enough to RP? Why worry about "for all family"?
« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2006, 09:25:31 pm »
I've forgot to say: Nearly a year ago I've founded the KidsCorner Guild (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23240.0) for avoiding strange situations.
Oh, this guild is so much RP for sure^^

I don't see a room for kids who could be somehow mentally spoiled by playing game which is for mature people.
This is just another factor which disrupts RP and so the purpose of this game. Really, if my char will have to interact with someone who does what my char stand against i really won't try to look out as the char may be controlled by 12 old kid. If they are going to play this game, they eighter need to have ability to rp mature character or play kid character.



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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2006, 09:53:22 pm »
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....... which is for mature people.
......... If they are going to play this game, they eighter need to have ability to rp mature character or play kid character.

But this game isn't just for mature people. It is for all ages. There is no stipulation on how you must act or role-play. If a character is acting out and is obviously young and not mature to your liking then a good role-player will role-play around that. Period. This game is never going to be for just "mature" peoples. There are adults out there who act like a five year olds. A younger person who acts immature shouldn't be pushed into a guild just for that reason. Maybe they don't want to be in a guild identifying them as a young player. Maybe they want to stay away from the stereo types and labels. Plus they may "role-play" a character being immature but may not necessarily be that way in real life. They may just enjoy taking on the role at the time because they feel like it.
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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2006, 09:57:35 pm »
Just because someone is young doesn't mean they're immature and vice versa.


But this game isn't just for mature people. It is for all ages.

This implies the opposite.
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« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2006, 10:14:26 pm »
Mature

(1) a. Having reached full natural growth or development: a mature cell.
     b. Having reached a desired or final condition; ripe: a mature cheese.

(2) Of, relating to, or characteristic of full development, either mental or physical: mature for her age.

Everyone is different. If you can relate to the person beside you that is lets say 10 years old then you might see them as mature. However if you can not relate then you may tend to see them as immature. Same goes for someone who is in there 30's.

Now you can stop picking apart what I said because it isn't how you thought I meant it.  :)
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« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2006, 10:17:20 pm »
But this game isn't just for mature people. It is for all ages. There is no stipulation on how you must act or role-play. If a character is acting out and is obviously young and not mature to your liking then a good role-player will role-play around that. Period. This game is never going to be for just "mature" peoples. There are adults out there who act like a five year olds. A younger person who acts immature shouldn't be pushed into a guild just for that reason. Maybe they don't want to be in a guild identifying them as a young player. Maybe they want to stay away from the stereo types and labels. Plus they may "role-play" a character being immature but may not necessarily be that way in real life. They may just enjoy taking on the role at the time because they feel like it.
You don't get the point of what i have wrote. I nevr said you have to be mature to play PS, in short, i said you need to be able to act like mature person if you are going to play mature character^^
You know, these 1337 people, maybe even mature, maybe can't behalve in different way, like some kids cant act mature. Like we dont' accept the first, we don't accept any similiar.

Whatever, continue your discussion, only with such ideas don't expect PS to be roleplaying game, but only just another MMOG only with poor features ;)



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« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2006, 10:34:08 pm »
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Whatever, continue your discussion, only with such ideas don't expect PS to be roleplaying game, but only just another MMOG only with poor features ;)

I see and understand your point now. Your correct , to play mature means to "role-play" mature like.

What I have quoted however, I am sorry but I don't agree. Planeshift is already known for it's great role-play community. It doesn't fit into the category of just another MMOG. It is far beyond that. I know this because I have heard many say it. It is all over the forums and in players words. "I looked for another role-play game just like ps but none of them compare with the role-playing or the community." is what I hear frequently. Some of these  other MMOG  games are finished. Imagine that! That is a great compliment to planeshift, it's community and the dev team.

You seem to not have a very high opinion of ps from the posts I have read from you in the forums. I wonder why you even bother to play if you dislike the features so much? Why do you constantly take shots like in your quote? "It is just another MMOG, only with poor features."   If you have nothing to offer the community or the dev's in fixing the things you dislike, I think maybe one should keep his opinions to himself unless they prove to be helpful.

I don't know how many times people will have to repeat this but it is still being created. Of course the game has poor features and it is kind of common sense that it wouldn't be the most user friendly game. When it isn't being created anymore and it is finished I bet the features will rock. The features have to be made first though and tested. That is what you are doing .... remember?

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« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2006, 11:03:57 pm »
If i didn't care about PS, i wouldn't be there ;P
And when i complain, I always add if. There is just no point in telling how PS is great in many aspects, while there are already loads of people doing this. Read my posts carefully and you see it has a positive purpose.
But it is getting offtopic.



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« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2006, 11:16:48 pm »
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If i didn't care about PS, i wouldn't be there ;P
And when i complain, I always add if. There is just no point in telling how PS is great in many aspects, while there are already loads of people doing this. Read my posts carefully and you see it has a positive purpose.
But it is getting offtopic.

(1) Never said you didn't or did  care.
(2) I didn't spend any time in my post telling of the great aspects of planeshift. I only answered your false claim to planeshift being or turning into another MMOG only with poor features.
(3) I do read them carefully. I see someone who has a negitive opinoin not positive. I could be reading wrong but your replies aren't helping me change my mind or look at your posts in a new light to be honst with you. 
(4) Agreed this is getting off topic.

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