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Gameplay => Newbie Help (Start Here) => Topic started by: jonandtice on December 10, 2006, 10:05:41 pm
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First of all, let me say that I think the way progression points are gained right now does not make sense to me at all. I don't see why one should have to kill an infinite amount of npc's to become a good miner or whatever else (I know mining gives some xp but it's a joke really). I imagine this will change as the game matures but for now I am dealing with the following problem:
There are hordes of people in the arena so that it is hard to get an easy gladiator or a good rouge anymore. The solution I have found to this is to go to a certain spot where there are several of a certain monster who will automatically attack me again and again without me even having to initiate the attack. I may or may not get up from my computer, go to sleep, do homework, mow the lawn, go to school, etc. while I am being repeatedly attacked by monsters. The point is that, while I am gaining less xp from these monsters, my character is there longer because I do not have to make him interact with his opponents. My concern about doing this is that some of you may think I am destroying the RP of the game. I really don't know if I am or not that's why I am asking your opinions.
If someone comes that wants to have those monsters I think it is very clear that I don't deserve all of them and I feel they are more than welcome to stand closer to the monster than I am. At least one of them will still get through to me most of the time. This is different from those very rude players who, while in the arena, although one is standing almost on top of the npc, will insist on trying to attack it before I get my first blow in. There is a certain individual who I am extremely fed up with because of this and this is one of the main reasons I have taken the approach of leaving my character by some monsters and leaving the client open while I go about my real life.
As I said it is easy for me to RP this but it may get in the way of other players if they wanted to, for example, group with me or, fear that I may get angry if they start killing some of the monsters that have been attacking me. Am I a bad gamer for playing this way?
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its against the rules of the game and a bannable offence just to stand there all day and get autoattacked.
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OK, that is a simple enough reply and I guess the rule makes sense as I have probably been abusing, and I am sorry. But, I think the cause of the problem should be addressed. I will stop doing it, but only when I am not physically at my computer.
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The solution I have found to this is to go to a certain spot where there are several of a certain monster who will automatically attack me again and again without me even having to initiate the attack. I may or may not get up from my computer, go to sleep, do homework, mow the lawn, go to school, etc. while I am being repeatedly attacked by monsters.
Do be aware that if you leave your character in "autoattack" mode while you are AFK for an extended period of time (over 10 minutes), you may come back to find yourself banned from the game. The progression system isn't the best, and we realize this and will be working to make changes.
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Bad player doesn't really describe you...
I think stupid or moronic describes it better since you admitted in public to be breaking the game rules and yet asks if that was a problem. ;D
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at least this person asked the question before going until being banned.
you need to read the player policy and rules clearly
good luck
the game will mature but taking advantage of it in the mean time is not an acceptable course :D
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I'm impressed by this guy's honesty. He found a way to cheat the system (for all he knows it was the perfect crime) but he decided to expose it rather than continue on doing his nasty business...
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If he did not expose it and continued, he would have faced me some day soon.
I seem to have a special skill for finding people who try to Bot in any way.
And i am not so nice to them, when i caught them.
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If he did not expose it and continued, he would have faced me some day soon.
I seem to have a special skill for finding people who try to Bot in any way.
And i am not so nice to them, when i caught them.
When you catch them. :P
Anyway, my point is; he didn't know it was against the rules, he just thought it was an unfair way to get experience and wanted to report it. Nothing sinister or stupid there. This guy is to be respected, damnit! :P
Oh, but one teensie thing - 'Botting' is using a third-party program to control your character for you (i.e. making your character into a 'bot'). The programs (the more sophisticated ones, anyway) can sometimes handle things such as healing when you get low on health, running away if too many mobs attack at once or even selling loot to a vendor, as well as other things like mining or fishing.
It's very different from just standing in a mob's spawn point and repeatedly aggroing them.
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Aye, but Planeshifts botting policy covers anything that allows you to do anything while not in front of the computer. So don't do it!
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http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=21538.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=21538.0)
Hacking
You may not enter into gameplay practices that cause disruption of gameplay for other players, or adversely affect game performance.
You will not attempt to interfere with, hack into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Planeshift.
You may not create nor use "bots" or automation programs with the purpose of profiteering or advancing unattended.
You may not be AFK (away from keyboard) and leave your character doing an action over and over by itself (e.g. fighting).
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It's unclear how long jonandtice has been playing. Gaining progression points is a slow process at first but it does force you to learn a lot more about ps. I don't think you will be happy unless you learn to develop some patience and look for something more than just earning progression points.
Yes, the arena is frequently crowded, but if you go out exploring you will find plenty of places to earn progression points, and not just in small amounts. I have not been on yet where if I really wanted to I couldn't find somewhere that was not busy to earn progression points. I've also met interesting people/characters as I've explored.
But if you don't have the patience to earn progression points in real time then you probably don't have the patience to get any of the rp aspects.
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When you catch them. :P
They will. Find a character killing the same NPC over and over. Next time the NPC spawns, move it away few meters (yards). No reaction from the character, teleport him/her to the Death Realm. Still no reaction, ban for 30 days.
That's what I would do. Be glad that I'm not a GM :P
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Well, most GMs do act like that as far as I know.
You're making a good example then ;)
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When you catch them. :P
They will. Find a character killing the same NPC over and over. Next time the NPC spawns, move it away few meters (yards). No reaction from the character, teleport him/her to the Death Realm. Still no reaction, ban for 30 days.
That's what I would do. Be glad that I'm not a GM :P
That seems a bit extremem. Suppose I had a phone call (the phone is downstairs and the computer's upstairs)... and I just happened to go AFK mid-fight.
Or hell, suppose I spontaneously start spasming and bleeding from my eyes and ears and have to go to a hospital? And while I'm recovering, I want to play a bit of PS, but find that I've been banned for 30 days...
Can YOU live with the shame? :P
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there is a small difference between the bans of Bot's who are using a script.
and Bot's who abuse Auto-attack.
Bot's who are using a script are banned 30 days the first time
Bot's who are abusing Auto-attack are banned 7 days the first time.
Second time, they are treated the same as Bot-scripters and will be banned for 30 days.
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:oops: I guess I should have read the forums before I started playing. I had a sweet perl script that helped me through the mind numbing process of minning gold. During it's maiden test, I found about four pieces of ore and my character moved to the middle of the field...all by himself. A short while later, I realized I had been ignoring a conversation with a GM. I learned what GMs are, what is considered cheating and several other useful tidbits. Long story short, I took a brief Planeshift vacation. The bottom line is that in order to acheive any kind of progress in these types of games, I'd have to stop playing that other RPG; the one where I'm a bald guy, father of two and a husband. My character in that game is also chronically low on cash and has an inventory full of junk/low-end gear...some things just don't change. There are a lot of decent people in the game, but I think it's time for me to take a Hydlaa hiatus (I couldn't resist). I look forward to seeing how the game turns out.
Game people: Don't delete my character while I'm out.
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I am 100 percent in favor of stiffening penalties atm everyone should be well aware this is a cheat.
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I am 100 percent in favor of stiffening penalties atm everyone should be well aware this is a cheat.
50% agree and 50% disagree. Not everyone has experience with RPGs. A new person might come across the project page on sourceforge, hear about it from a friend or see it in a magazine and want to jump right in without reading the players guide or coming to this forum. To some people, this may be the first time they've ever even seen an environment that didn't have a pre-determined goal or purpose. If I typically play games like Medal of Honor or 1503 where I no choice but to go in certain directions and do specific tasks and then I find this game where I have the choice to lay around, mine gold, fight/kill, preach, explore and anything else that you can do in Planeshift, I might find myself looking for ways to simplify certain tasks.
I understand both sides of the argument, if you do something you already know is not allowed, you deserve STIFF penalties. If you're a knucklehead you deserve to be educated, penalized/punished and put on probation for a while to prevent future occurances. Since new people will fall somewhere in the range of "expert RPGer" to the complete newbie, I think it's a little extreme to blindly swing the sword at every offense.
I have only had experience with one GM and he was pretty decent, heard my story, educated me a bit and gave me my due punishment based on the facts of the situation. I wasn't mad at the game, the GMs or anything else except for the fact that I then had to boot into winblows if I wanted to waste time. The good thing was that I realized I had a lot of cool games that had been forgotten...Yuri's Revenge and MOH rock, baby!
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Not everyone has experience with RPGs. A new person might come across the project page on sourceforge, hear about it from a friend or see it in a magazine and want to jump right in without reading the players guide or coming to this forum.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, please don't blame the game when you screw up.
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If someone attacks an NPC that you're after, you have no right to complain unless they're using magic to steal it from you. I don't think you even have the right to say that they're being rude.
Mobs can be scarce, and people will compete with you for them. If it hurts your feelings, don't blame others and don't go to the arena. This is obviously just my opinion, but there would be far fewer hot heads and hurt feelings if others saw things the way I do.
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People take my kill all the time i just greet them ;D
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People take my kill all the time i just greet them ;D
People take my kill all the time, I just follow them around and steal their kills until i get bored :P
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i guess im lucky i always find the ojarouge free or with a slowpoke/me stands like a hero with a red cape but then remembers that they are not implemented :oops: and goes away to die from shame
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I am really sad about how off topic this post got ...
Did not the first phrases read: "First of all, let me say that I think the way progression points are gained right now does not make sense to me at all. I don't see why one should have to kill an infinite amount of npc's to become a good miner or whatever else (I know mining gives some xp but it's a joke really)."
This comes right out of my heart !!! I am trying realy hard to get the ability to produce steel, but without kill and loot ... no way. And even with that it costs weeks of real time without seeing much progress, but not being able to gather with my guild because i am forced to dig and melt iron all the time ...
Harnquist told me everything about steel, but I still do not have the knowledge to work?
But the discussion got to legal or not legal fighting procedures for getting experience and being banned for that - overseeing the real PS-problem here
I like this game very much and I love playing it especially for the lot of roleplaying in here, but if I want to achieve something for my characters stability or effectiveness (meaning training and progressing in stats or skills) and thus getting a more useful guild member there is always only the one effective way: kill and loot.
With 2 hours online time I will reach around 100pp and around 3000-5000 trias in the arena - enough to train a deeply needed armor or weapon skill (needed to not have to die on every casual rogue-attack) AND mining AND 2or3 Stat Points
If I work 2 online hours on mining, I will have lots of money (only if mined gold), but hardly any pp
Working 2 online hours on rapairing will get me 3-5 weapons repaired and no experience
Working an Iron stocks 2 online hours just the same ...
In return fighting skills are very easy to screw up, but leveling up mining or repairing seems to cost lots more. (I am not sure of this, but it seems to me)
So this is really sad for I am forced to get OOC just in game meaning: If a miner should level up, he has to kill and loot, If a crafter wants to learn something .. even worse ... But a crafter will not likely go to an arena and kill and loot to learn more crafting, will he? - So in the arena hi is really OOC still in game ...
A fighter will learn his work very fast and easy. On just 1 PS day training, he will proceed in knowledge various levels and get wealthy as well (and its player will have a lot of fun with different moves, using magic and seeing a lot of different opponents).
A miner or crafter can work all day and will not learn anything and will not proceed in knowledge (and its player will get really annoyed just to always using the same shurtcut and wait again for the mining result moving 2 steps and so forth or by starting a crafting work and then being banned from interacting with the game (no trade) any more not even seeing a progression bar ...)
I really hope a lot that this will get more balanced soon - or no doubt the PS world will allways be full of fighting miners, fighting smithes, fighting traders a rare medieval world though those just occasionally do some homework
But again, I really enjoi the game! Good luck to all devs and programmers!
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As you said, it isn't very balanced right now. But to get things balanced is always one of the very last steps in production. Afterall, theres no point to perfectly balance a system where ther is only a handful of the total skills and jobs and other nifty features the game will have, especially since the ones already developed may change as the other skills and whatnot are worked on. It would just be a waste of eveloper time to do so. The devs are aware of the issues with the curent system and do work on it. PS requires quite a bit of patience though. Not to say you lack that, but, simply, things are getting worked on and new features added and others expanded all the time. Things will balance themselves out as the game progresses.
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As you said, it isn't very balanced right now. But to get things balanced is always one of the very last steps in production. Afterall, theres no point to perfectly balance a system where ther is only a handful of the total skills and jobs and other nifty features the game will have, especially since the ones already developed may change as the other skills and whatnot are worked on. It would just be a waste of eveloper time to do so. The devs are aware of the issues with the curent system and do work on it. PS requires quite a bit of patience though. Not to say you lack that, but, simply, things are getting worked on and new features added and others expanded all the time. Things will balance themselves out as the game progresses.
True, but it's also arguable to do invest time in balancing things, even if some mayor things are not implemented yet. Not only to keep the players happy, as I understand that is not so much a priority, but also because balancing a game is quite hard, and I'd say that the team might want to get some experience with balancing things right now. With a low amount of features around, it's easier to balance things and to develop the tools and the skills that will be needed later. If at a point, there are so many skills and things implemented it might be impossible to balance it all, when you didn't find out how to balance a game with fewer features first. Right now, we have fighting with normal weapons and with magic, we have crafting and mining. Seems like a good moment to start with trying to get it all in balance. It doesn't all has to be useless, the basic balancing between fighting and crafting in general and fighting with weapons and with magic can be seen as a framework which can be fine-tuned when more skills are implemented.
Besides that, new features will always be added. That would be a reason to postpone balancing for ever.
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I agree completely with the sentiments presented regarding balance. I created a character heavily weighted towards intelligence, with the hopes of learning the magical arts. However, I find myself concentrating on developing my strength and fighting skills in order to advance and survive. Tis simply the nature of the land and time we live in.
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I agree completely with the sentiments presented regarding balance. I created a character heavily weighted towards intelligence, with the hopes of learning the magical arts. However, I find myself concentrating on developing my strength and fighting skills in order to advance and survive. Tis simply the nature of the land and time we live in.
Aww crap. That's exactly what I did (29 strength, 35 endurance, 115 intelligence... *whimper*)
Ah well, it suits him anyway. It just wouldn't make sense if some crazy frail wizard had a medium to high strength...
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I agree completely with the sentiments presented regarding balance. I created a character heavily weighted towards intelligence, with the hopes of learning the magical arts. However, I find myself concentrating on developing my strength and fighting skills in order to advance and survive. Tis simply the nature of the land and time we live in.
Aww crap. That's exactly what I did (29 strength, 35 endurance, 115 intelligence... *whimper*)
Ah well, it suits him anyway. It just wouldn't make sense if some crazy frail wizard had a medium to high strength...
Emeraldfool, perhaps you misread the post, The balance referred to points awarded for magic and crafting, and not the initial distribution given with character development. I see no problem adjusting to this world as I find it.
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I am 100 percent in favor of stiffening penalties atm everyone should be well aware this is a cheat.
I wouldn't say this is a cheat.But, it is just a bug.So, all he is doing is bug abuseing.
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I am 100 percent in favor of stiffening penalties atm everyone should be well aware this is a cheat.
I wouldn't say this is a cheat.But, it is just a bug.So, all he is doing is bug abuseing.
Which by the way is cheating. This game has many bugs, new ones occur with almost every update. That is why it is a RULE of the game that exploiting any bug to gain an advantage is cheating.