(12:32:11) >Server Admin: SERVER WILL REMAIN DOWN FOR ALL TODAY
(12:32:22) >Server Admin: WE NEED AT LEAST 1 DAY FOR THE UPGRADE
(12:32:33) >Server Admin: PLEASE DISCONNECT TO SAVE YOUR POSITION
i found the following, posted by Quantus, in the german forums, 09.07.2007:Yes this is the "in-game warning/s" i mentioned in the first post. You allso find it in this forum, if you read all post's from the the last 24 hours.Quote(12:32:11) >Server Admin: SERVER WILL REMAIN DOWN FOR ALL TODAY
(12:32:22) >Server Admin: WE NEED AT LEAST 1 DAY FOR THE UPGRADE
(12:32:33) >Server Admin: PLEASE DISCONNECT TO SAVE YOUR POSITION
if you want better service than you better make a donation and show your appreciation for the hours the game developers are putting in for your pleasure.Thats not the point. The point is, that the developers did not informe the users. Without us there is no Planeshift and we have the right to be informed. The developer can put 2 banner on the side and earn enough money...
we have the right to be informed.
Thats not the point. The point is, that the developers did not informe the users. Without us there is no Planeshift and we have the right to be informed. The developer can put 2 banner on the side and earn enough money...
but what about the guys having heard of a decent rpg, eager to go for it and in the end.. leave again because they only see a shutdown server for two days?
Alright all you children throwing a temper tantrum, this is the Lady's opinion. There is a place on the main screen that states "Donation" which means that the developers and maintainers of this game are doing Planeshift as a very time-consuming hobby. They generously let us play it without charging a monthly fee......... at this time.I agree and disagree.
In the real world of us adults that have to work to keep the wheels of commerce going so the opportunists can get a free ride as often as possible at our expense, if you want better service than you better make a donation and show your appreciation for the hours the game developers are putting in for your pleasure.
Lady Ananath
You obviously have great believes in the banner ting. ...banners don't generate much money, believe me!if you want better service than you better make a donation and show your appreciation for the hours the game developers are putting in for your pleasure.Thats not the point. The point is, that the developers did not informe the users. Without us there is no Planeshift and we have the right to be informed. The developer can put 2 banner on the side and earn enough money...
He's right, we don't have rights. We are the lab-rats. ;)we have the right to be informed.
Haha, that's funny...
And who told you this? They (Devs) do not have to tell us anything if they don't want to. They let us "test" this game for nothing. They have all the rights... not us.
Rabalder reads: "That's where you are mistaken. you are not a .. bla, bla, bla... ..far to busy.." What?! Far to busy??!! Are you kidding me?!Thats not the point. The point is, that the developers did not informe the users. Without us there is no Planeshift and we have the right to be informed. The developer can put 2 banner on the side and earn enough money...
That's where you are mistaken. You are not a user. You are a tester. And the devs are far, far too busy to post a message in Server Status saying "Updating to 3.019 system. Expect downtime for 1 to 5 days." Testers are not worthy of this courtesy.
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you judge people you never have seen roleplaying at all? how can you say, the ones not even have tasted the ingame-flavor are "players who would not like PS in its current state anyway" ?This is a general assumption, but if they do not have the time to wait a day or two for an update, then they probably wouldn't be here long anyway.
is this some sort of elite-club here? oOmaybe ;D
Than i dont see, why there is a news side or a topic "server-status". I takes one minute to update the news. It has to do with respect. Letting the "tester" wait has nothing to do with respet. The tester are the people who support the developers.Who said this was about respect? They are probably working hard to get the release out as soon as possible, when they have something more to tell us, they will tell us.
If this would become a comerical game, i would buy it. So the tester will become the user. Its only one minute to update the news... Remember, they are 400000 tester waiting...[/qoute]
This will NEVER become a commercial game, it will always remain free for the public to use. They tried once to make it commercial back before it became 3d but it didn't get enough support. There are 400,000 characters, yes. People, no. At most in-game at a time, you will see is 150-200. I'd guess around 5-10,000 actually active people.
Who said this was about respect? They are probably working hard to get the release out as soon as possible, when they have something more to tell us, they will tell us.
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I said it has to do with respect. And yes, i think they have to tell us something more, because the server is offline and nobody knows how long it will take. The main point is: its not kind ot the team letting us without informations. Its only a question of kindness.
...".. yet this thread is about that it would be kind, if devs would inform the players, in meanings of necessary testers. ..." - That was precisely the main idea behind this thread.
i agree, we dont have the rights to demand getting crucial information like that.
i do as well agree in we are testers.. ok, users.. depends on point if view and/or definition.
yet this thread is about that it would be kind, if devs would inform the players, in meanings of necessary testers.
me myself i dont have a problem if they dont, as i am informed well enough about some update to come - as many of you also are.
but what about the guys having heard of a decent rpg, eager to go for it and in the end.. leave again because they only see a shutdown server for two days?
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It's usually no problem for people to wait, as long as they at least know they are waiting! :@#\you judge people you never have seen roleplaying at all? how can you say, the ones not even have tasted the ingame-flavor are "players who would not like PS in its current state anyway" ?This is a general assumption, but if they do not have the time to wait a day or two for an update, then they probably wouldn't be here long anyway.
I've seen this "testers first..." blablabla used too many times as a pretext to justify the lack of a better polished information delivery to the community(and strangely this is usually by some community members instead of devs)You may ask why this is... because they are busy.
/me sighs "I really don't see the problem here, if the server is down it's down, when it's up it's up. and when an new update is ready you'll be able to download it when the team thinks it's time"
/me smiles "See, you don't need any support for this matter then just wait and think of what's to come"
So you can remove news from tv, i can see how my country develops...:offtopic:
I've seen this "testers first..." blablabla used too many times as a pretext to justify the lack of a better polished information delivery to the community(and strangely this is usually by some community members instead of devs)You may ask why this is... because they are busy.
If you don't like how the information gets delivered, join the team and help them out.. sitting here complaining about it will do no good.
The communitive projects, like Wikipedia and Open-Source ones are slowly drifting from excellent socializing tools to become exclusive clubs, not only closed to criticisms but actively attempting to "destroy" everything and everyone who describes their works in less than ufanist ways.
It's not allowed anymore to say you dislike something, as they created an strategy of rejecting criticisms that would be comic, if not tragic...
From all who took the work of replying against me, most used the typical pretexts used to justify the bad quality of many projects:
If you think the content is faulty, don't complain, go there and fix
Perfect, now in all FIAT service shops instead of mechanics I'll find clerks with toolboxe and when the user complains, he will be silenced and receive the toolbox. It is not this way things work, to improve something I need knowledge, experience and time. Some people want only information, and not to belong to a big project as well
Didn't like it? Do something better then or stay quiet!
It's a common attitude as well, but not accompanied by the other side, which would be: “Liked it? So stay quiet too”. Thus it basically means “we want to hear only praises”.
This attitude impedes the activity of a critic, judge and anybody who have to give a negative opinion about something.
As the Geek #1, Wil Wheathon said, when the wisdom of the crowd becomes the tyranny of the mob, this reflects badly in everybody.
Not Off Topic. Thats the topic, whats going on with the server. And the team tells us nothing.
Aaahhh, i just want to know whats goining on and how long it will take. This is really no problem to tell it the comunity. One minute work, not more. Is this to much for the developers? One minute work? And why you defend this? Its only one minute....
Aaahhh, i just want to know whats goining on and how long it will take. This is really no problem to tell it the comunity. One minute work, not more. Is this to much for the developers? One minute work? And why you defend this? Its only one minute....
Aaahhh, i just want to know whats goining on and how long it will take. This is really no problem to tell it the comunity. One minute work, not more. Is this to much for the developers? One minute work? And why you defend this? Its only one minute....
Yeah, and when the only person with access to update the website is sitting on a plane somewhere it's a little difficult for us to spend that one minute :P
Aaahhh, i just want to know whats goining on and how long it will take. This is really no problem to tell it the comunity. One minute work, not more. Is this to much for the developers? One minute work? And why you defend this? Its only one minute....
Yeah, and when the only person with access to update the website is sitting on a plane somewhere it's a little difficult for us to spend that one minute :P
Again, when the right person who has access to do this gets back from whatever they are doing, they will do this most likely, until then you just have to rely on the forums and wait patiently.You mean the persons who are updating the server now are now able to update the news? The 4 persons who do this at the moment have not the option to update the news? And they are doing this since yesterday, so please tell not such bull. They have the time to do this... And the right person is every person of the team, who has acccess to this forum...
The server is down at the moment due to an update. A new client, version 0.3.019, will be available very soon - you will need this version to connect to the server once it returns.
They wont give us false information.
They wont give us false information.
An information: "we are doing an upload" would be enough. They give us no information!!!!
Xordan: You gave us the message someone is on plane, so maybe give us some info about how far the update is done?
/me rolls his eyes "Why do we go over this again and again with every update, or even with an server crash of long duration?"
We're waiting for Talad to get back and doing some more testing until then. There is no 'how far' right now.Thank you, this is a word! :thumbup:
Well what about these people: http://laanx.fragnetics.com/index.php?page=stats
There are account registrations, 30/hour. That makes to me 1020 potential developers/testers/whatever within 34 hours (are it 34h downtime?) that failed to get into the game due to lack of information.
It's okay for all people reading this thread, indeed. But don't forget these 1000+ people (until now) that surely didn't have a look into the forums.