What are you going to do about the people who refuse to pay the fees? Just ignore them?Yes, I am. They can do whatever they want.
Do you plan on interweaving your guild's "staff" with the NPCs already at the arena?(Don't remember the names, the but the shopkeepers and what-not)
How are you going to enforce your codes of behavior on the people who don't acknowledge your guild? I'm referring to "Those that do not accept the existance of this guild do not have any right to claim a NPC in face of the fighters in front of the Arena staff."
Doesn't the idea of having to go through an application process for every single little bit of combat you want to partake in seem a tad cumbersome?
I like this initiative a lot. It might not be accepted by all players but that's their loss. Consider my characters accepting the Hydlaa Arena staff rules.I agree with that idea. I'd be much more tempted to buy a membership for the Arcane Brotherhood than I would be to buy one for myself.
Now how about full guild membership or 'season tickets' to the Arena? Pay a single big sum of tria and enjoy prolonged admission. I think quite a few people would be interested in that .. and it'd cut down on your work hours needed for the collection of fees. ;)
And Phinehas, self-respect begins with respecting others.
2.1 FeesOne of the oldest RPs I know of that thug/thief/etc. type characters or guilds have used is the road block RP where a person is "shaken down" for a fee in exchange for passage... While not the intent, this honestly has the same highway robbery feel to me. This feel stems not from the fact that you're offering a service but, that you're charging people to use what I assume at least are public lands. Basically, if the Arena is some sort of public good, supplied by the Octarchy and managed with taxes... this small fee is actually extortion. ;)
The Arena will charge 20 tria entrance fee, except of those that can prove they are doing business with the Arena staff. Multiple entry passes may be purchased. Furthermore, fighters pay 50 tria in order to provide healing for gladiators, to keep the beast stock constant and to refurnish the gladiators with new equipment. During events, except the Beast Hunt, the participants pay 30 tria registration fee, being excluded from the entrance fee. Spectators pay the usual entrance fee.
Naturally, roleplayed money will be accepted.
2.3 Gladiators and ranking system:I hope you are talking about "real" characters and not just NPCs. Supplying actual professional fighter player characters for the purpose of training I could actually see as a justifiable means of charging "fees" and I think would encourage RP between people that otherwise may never interact. One other thing that rubs me a bit the wrong way is the "providing the staff deems the challenger equal or weaker then the gladiator" policy, it seems needlessly controlling and not in the nature of the Arena... If a person is dumb enough to get themselves killed I don't exactly see why it is your job to stop them.
The Hydlaa Arena hires skilled fighters and trains them in combat. These skilled fighters are ranked according to their strength. Any challenger can challenge a gladiator in a specific discipline, providing the staff deems the challenger equal or weaker then the gladiator.
2.3 Rules of conduct:This is just asking for trouble... I am really not looking forward to the day when some overzealous junior member of your guild decides they have the RP-given right to start evicting people from NPCs. Also, how is it decided who fights which NPC? First come first serve? Whoever pays the most for the best? For how long can a person stay there? And doesn't this just encourage the same OOC camping?
Every participant needs to apply for a gladiator or an animal. Violating this application process will mean possible exclusion from the Arena for a period of time. Those that do not accept the existance of this guild do not have any right to claim a NPC in face of the fighters in front of the Arena staff. If someone that accepts the guild fights against a gladiator and someone else that accepts the guild wants to fight the same one, it'll be handled by the Arena staff. If someone that does not accept the guild fights an NPC, those involved need to handle it by themselves.
3.1 Staff members:
Furthermore, the Arena needs several animal trainers that see to the wellbeing and supply of animals. Various clerks are required to keep the finances in order and to handle the assignment of fighters, to charge the fees and to enlist participants for events.
Staff members will receive free training, equipment and free repair ICly (As far as the income allows it).
3.2 Jobs&Quests:
The Hydlaa Arena offers several jobs and quests to non staff members, like provision of food and drink to spectators, the repair of damaged equipment or the crafting of latter. Furthermore, various small quests that can be assigned by staff members will be included.
2.1: Are we paying taxes already? Not by my knowledge so how can paying for using facilities be seen as extortion? Honestly, not having to pay for those things was unrealistic. Which gladiator risks their lives for nothing? I have to say that I find your opinion to be based on OOC knowlegde, mainly the knowledge that this is a player initiative and not settings endorsed. To my characters it makes perfect sense that I have to pay for entertainment and use of governement facilities. Our reward is that we can keep the defeated gladiator's goods .. theirs is their pay.
We'll only assign NPCs "unoccupied" by persons.
If someone that does not accept the guild fights an NPC, those involved need to handle it by themselves.
However, if anyone has problems with this guild being Gregori's staff, I invite them to join the guild.Wait, what? If you don't like it, join?
A taskmaster that does nothing in the Arena and has other ones doing the job for him? No, that'd make Gregori unimportant.
However I would comprehend the frustration of someone else that planned to make a similar guild and be met with less sympathy. I am guessing that in this circumstance players would lean over choosing Donari's Guild because it assumes an official status. That would be a very unfair situation.
Janner, again, you proved to me that you are someone that lacks understanding of roleplay. What my char does and says is totally different from what I do and say.
1. A lie. At least I and Nadesa never did so, I do not know about the newbie we recruited.QuoteVencarias wrinkles his fat eyebrows "Well, master Stevald owns it"2. People wanted an explanation of the guild, and I gave it to them. Now, there is almost 0 OOC chat.
In order to understand why Janner is wrong, I need to explain what happened. My char, Vencarias, talked to Janner ICly. No indication was made Janner wanted me to stop OOCly, thus I assumed he wanted Vencarias to convince Janner. I received a tell in a few metres distance, and I assumed it was a whisper. After a while it struck me as a realization that I might not have a roleplayer in front of me, but someone that might be confused about roleplay and how to seperate OOC and IC. So I replied, asking him OOCly wether he wanted me to stop. I did not receive an answer until I asked again. In his reply, Janner's tone was most inappropriate, he accused me of forcing roleplay onto him. However, I never received anything from him stating he would like to cease the roleplay with me prior to this point. I expressed my thoughts about him on IRC.Quote(13:31:18) Janner says: That is why this place was built so go away and stop bothering me.Quote(13:33:37) Janner says: Again I say go away.Side not here Janner|RennajI will prove no more here as Both a Head of Devs and GM Leader has seen all the logs.
Point 4 is a lie. The characters in the guild don't even have any glyphs or magic skills up to now.
If anyone else would like to do another guild that works for Gregori, feel free to do so. Up to now the only thing we claim is to be under Gregori's leadership, we do not claim to be the only ones udner his leadership.
:thumbdown: After my encounter with this hastily put together guild.First it's important to note that you can't make something work well without experience. Not unless you're extremely lucky. I'll try to give my opinions based on Janner's account of things.
1. No real background knowledge seamed to have be researched, as they were claiming Gregori owned it when they first entered the game.
2. They clam to be enhancing roleplay, yet for 1 hour until they were told to stop, 75% of say was [ooc]
3. I have seen it claimed no one will be told to leave. quote from a member of this guild. "If you want to leave, feel free to do so"
4. I was also Harassed in tells, also they Harassed me by luring monster away with magic, to stop me fighting it.
5. But the biggest sin of all was on #planeshift, I was accused of being rude in tells.
SO to sum up, if you want this, do not force it on others. Also do not harass anyone in away.
A good point. Specially if Donari doesn't complain about having other people sharing that "official" status. I'm still not seeing her happy if someone takes up that task for itself and starts acting like a complete corrupt/clown while assuming to be Gregori's staff.However I would comprehend the frustration of someone else that planned to make a similar guild and be met with less sympathy. I am guessing that in this circumstance players would lean over choosing Donari's Guild because it assumes an official status. That would be a very unfair situation.
I don't think so .. someone else planning a similar guild will be met with less sympathy because they're not the first to do so and can be accused of simply copying Donari's recipy (regardless of whether they did or not). Obviously they can assume an equally official status and also say they work with Gregori, applying his rules to the Arena. That means they'll be practically the same as this guild though.
I would chose Donari's guild because it is original and the first of it's kind .. unless the new guild has a better concept of course. :P
What Donari intends by claiming they work under Gregori is exactly the same as what I intended by claiming Dakkru's Will works under Oriven, Rulayne and Londris. It means these guilds will abide by the material settings already gave us, create extra content beyond it to a degree but each time that new settings material comes up they'll re-evaluate the way they work. Saying Gregori is in charge is in many ways the same as saying Settings is in charge. Settings brought out a book, under Gregori's name of how the Arena should work. This guild is simply meant to turn said book into practice.
And should a guild with the same job pop up .. well, UtM already said it, just like when you have two different people bartending the same tavern .. both will have to decide whether they'll work together or fight eachother for customers.
First of all, I'd like to make people think about the Arena as an actual place of meeting, not just some place to kill mobs and loot stuff.
Next, I'd like to provide another area of roleplay, as I noticed a lack of it recently, especially in the training aspect. I hope that this guild will help those that were too much involved with the game mechanics to learn to enjoy roleplay. Not only to those the guild will be an addition for the game, but also for those that prefer to roleplay, as the guild will open new possibilities for roleplay.
The Hydlaa Arena guild focusses on the maintenance of the Arena and it's handling. Furthermore, it organizes several events that see to the entertainment of the Arena's visitors and those that challenge the gladiators.
First off, PS is an RPG, so roleplayers should have priority.
The way you worded it already proves it to be an ooc'ish place, yet.
First off, PS is an RPG, so roleplayers should have priority(...)
But I wouldn't be worried about having next week's tea sipping session of the guild of extraordinary gentlemen in the arena.
You-know-who
First off, PS is an RPG, so roleplayers should have priority(...)
Careful there. All players have the same right to enjoy the game the way they like best as long as they do not ruin it for others and respect the game rules. No priorities when it comes to whose fun comes first.
Yeah, I know... but still the "we can do what we want and if you don't like it, ignore it" is a dangerous path to go down...Phinehas is completely right. This is what I consider to be the worst disadvantage in "complementing the settings" and the reason why I believe the "Official Vibe" should be dispersed. Everything you do in PlaneShift should be capable of being roleplayed by everyone. And that is why we have settings.
In closing, there isn't much we can do about the fact that we annoy some PLers, but since I'm an RP fanatic and Planeshift is meant to be an RP game, I have little sympathy. As for the RPers, please continue giving your input, and please don't take anything that our characters say IC personally, because I know Vencarias can be a bit hard sometimes, but thats his character.The trick is trying to please as many people as possible. In the Arena people are supposed to be attacking monsters at all time, so you need to take that into account instead of ignoring fighters and vice-versa. Another advantage for you would be trying to speak as little as possible about your relation to Gregori, and when doing so you should make it look like you're around helping and doing your own job, rather than sounding like you are responsible for the Arena itself.
First off, PS is an RPG, so roleplayers should have priority(...)
Careful there. All players have the same right to enjoy the game the way they like best as long as they do not ruin it for others and respect the game rules. No priorities when it comes to whose fun comes first.
I'll use a very simple example: I want to play Magic the Gathering with someone. I find a partner, his name is Garror, but he tells me he doesn't want to use a Magic the Gathering deck, he wants to use a Pokemon deck. I tell him "No, can't do that. That's not playing Magic the Gathering!" to which he responds "Hey, let me play the game my way!" People who choose not to roleplay in a roleplay game are exactly like Garror; idiots.