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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xillix Queen of Fools on February 12, 2008, 04:10:43 pm
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Several people are stuck in strange ways in quests. Do you the players believe it is time to start fresh?
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Before I vote I'd like to make something clear. You are proposing to delete quest history (what quests people have done / are doing) and not the actual quests, right?
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I approve o/
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Will quest rewards (items, faction points, tec.) you already have also be deleted?
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Waylander I meant only quest history, not the quests themselves.
Things already in a character's possession will remain, this is only the history.
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What about factions, Xillix?
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Factions would remain unless we chose to start those over, but that is another matter.
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:thumbup: Would be nice to be able to redo all quest's. as some have different ways to complete them.
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What about winch access? Would that be lost too?
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We could discuss doing a partial wipe leaving winch access, but that does not help us as much as a full wipe. Settings needs new bug reports.
Mind you, major fixes have been made to all winch quests so . . . it should not be as hard as the first time.
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I think it's unanimous that people want a quest wipe :P
Resetting everything having to do with quests would be nice - it would help more anyway wouldn't it?
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Good good, I voted yes. Bug reports are yay
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As I understand, a quest wipe will mean the following:
- you can no longer count how many quests you did
- quests that you partly did, you will have to do all over again (you could try to use items you still have, but that may not always work).
But on the positive side:
- many quest conflicts are gone. I would say that it is good to only wipe after a next release, to avoid quests getting messed up again.
- you can do one time quests again (although a slight exploit possibly)
- some quests are broken, and in order to fix them, a quest reset is needed. I would suggest to fix as many of such quests before a wipe, so no single quest resets have to be done
Clearly I lean heavily to the 'yes' side, if after/at next release and hopefully fixing more quests.
Addition (there were 3 replies now):
factions, winch access (I think) and inventory are not stored in the quest history, so would not be reset. Unless winch access checks a quest pre-requisite everytime you try to enter, in which case you will have to redo the quests.
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Perhaps factions would. It might help us to see the patterns a bit more. We need balance in the faction system also. However this thread is just to get a feel for player reaction, there is actually some work that needs to be done on our side to prepare, part of that work is seeing how the players feel.
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Indeed, I know of several people who would benefit from this, I don't see how anyone would be hurt by it either.
I approve! :D
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If factions aren't wiped, they'll stack and it'll get a little crazy. If winch access isn't wiped, people won't have any reason to complete the quest again, and as for quest items...do we need more black beads dropped around Yliakum?
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If factions aren't wiped, they'll stack and it'll get a little crazy. If winch access isn't wiped, people won't have any reason to complete the quest again, and as for quest items...do we need more black beads dropped around Yliakum?
:offtopic: : we need a way to get rid of quest items - like.... I dunno.. get creative
Just figured I'd say that now since suno brought it up.
I don't think the point would be for people to redo the quests suno, I thought it was to fix the bind people got into?
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I'm all for a quest wipe but if it doesn't include winch access it doesn't help me personally much. The only quests I would like to redo are the winch access quests since I got stuck doing the evil side with one of my lawful characters. The other side was bugged and couldn't be completed. I wouldn't care much aside from the fact that which side you use to get into the winch has a huge impact on which quests you can do inside the winch. I believe factions also play a role in quest availability so ideally this should be wiped as well.
So in short, yes on the quest wipe and make it a full wipe to solve all problems! Winch access and factions included if they play a role in the problems, which they most likely do.
Earl, we need to teach people not to loot what they don't need .. and last I checked there are NPCs that buy quest items.
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Earl, we need to teach people not to loot what they don't need .. and last I checked there are NPCs that buy quest items.
....Oh... I didn't know that... err uhm, sorreh. X-/
And on a side note, I thought factions didn't play a role in what quests you could get yet?
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I am willing to wipe them all, most of you who are in will get right back in the winch.
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All for it, Xillix.
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I would love a quest wipe. There are a few NPC's who didn't give me my quest prizes. Or wouldn't take the items I was told to get for them. Some of them won't even talk to me anymore about the quests I ask for. :'(
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I'm all for a quest-wipe - though i voted 'no' by accident :-[
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I gave up on questing due to conflicts which I found too frustrating to try and continue, so I'm all for it. \\o//
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I am against any partial wipe. Wipe everything or don't bother.
That said I was bitten by buggy quests more than once and would benefit from a reset.
I voted no.
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I would be for a quest wipe in the event that a full-wipe is deemed unnecessary at this time. A clean slate for testers would be a good thing, especially of many of the quests have been fixed and/or changed.
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I do not know what I am talking about BUT:
My thinking about this is that you cannot be certain what effect a partial wipe will have. It may well be that the compilers for the different operating systems choose different code optimizing paths which will cause different linkages between routines. I suppose this is not entirely relevant to the production server as it is only compiled for the laanx machine's OS but it is relevant to the clients that connect to it and to the test servers set up elsewhere. It would seem difficult to determine whether there is some overlooked bad data left in the database or if problems are caused by odd linkages in the various clients.
My concern can be visualized by taking the analogy of cancer surgery. If you do not cut it all out it could continue to grow. It may even be that excising the cancer leaves the system in a weakened state conducive to its return.
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Yes please! I'm stuck in about six quests right now and I lost the Letter to the Winch Vigesimi :P
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What? My char spent months doing all those quests and now I have to do them all over again?! No! Absolutely not! >:(
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I'm all for a quest-wipe - though i voted 'no' by accident :-[
fixed, forum users can now change their vote. (but still only get 1 vote)
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No...I'm just half through with the winch quests (I think...) Don't want to start over...at least not until I'm finished with them :P
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Several people are stuck in strange ways in quests. Do you the players believe it is time to start fresh?
personaly, Yes. got 10 quests stucks so far. :surrender: and im not the only one ;)
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We got almost all the quests logged in our forums, so they will be completed quickly again anyway, so I have many great items twice and more times, so I can sell them and make a huge lot of money, so I can.. uhm.. can.. er.. I WILL BE RICH!
Huh.. whatever, as long as the questsystem is fixed fundamentally and on base of such an improved system future quests will be expected to be most bugfree, why not?
To not wipe faction-points of course would be nonsense.
Leaving Winch-access untouched I would welcome greatly! People not doing all the quests again because they say they already have Winch access would do better to think twice, since many quests (also the ones to come) require others to be completed previously, as well as certain Winch-quests give fancy rewards. But for people having current plots played out in that region wont have to pause it until access regained.
Although I could sort all issues and stucks of my quests.. for the ones who could not: Yes.
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Quest wipe? Sure..
I think the factions should go too..
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Leaving Winch-access untouched I would welcome greatly!
I wouldn't. Many quests have pre-requisites, including the way you got into the Winch. It would probably create as many problems as it solves to leave it untouched.
Besides, maybe this time around someone will discover the mysterious Third Way into the winch :)
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YES
I've between 10 and 30 quests bugged. And since one year, i still can't get into the winch by any ways.
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Huh.. whatever, as long as the questsystem is fixed fundamentally and on base of such an improved system future quests will be expected to be most bugfree, why not?
This is unrealistic, many many are fixed, but bugs happen. We cannot tell what is not working anymore because many of the current problems were caused in earlier releases. We should see better results here.
The only thing that will need to finish it off in a superior way is more people reporting through the bug tracker the things that npcs should recognize that they do not atm.
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What? My char spent months doing all those quests and now I have to do them all over again?! No! Absolutely not! >:(
;) it's better then a full char wipe :sorcerer:
:flowers: :lol:
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I concur. Easy way to test the quests and make sure they work is to do them over again without creating another alt.
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Jeraphon, possible technical complications of course were way more important than inconveniences I mentioned.
Xillix, let me explain what I mean, since I am aware of perfection is unrealistic:
If the system itself would be as buggy as it was the days when quests involving same NPC, blocked other quests with the same NPC, doing a wipe would be plain stupid. If nowadays the system has improved significantly I would agree with it.
Reading now about players having bugged quests, is it sure it's due to old data and same trouble can be (@Xillix: almost) excluded? (Yes, it's a rethorical question)
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Wipe!!!
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OK, a quest wipe good! \\o// I am stuck in a quest about the emporium, and I lost 2 times the quest item :oops: because of the wrong sentence.... :o :-\
:offtopic: A bit wishlist, but could be nice if we say a wrong sentence, NPC could return the quest item, since it's really frustrating to need an alt ::)
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JXillix, let me explain what I mean, since I am aware of perfection is unrealistic:
If the system itself would be as buggy as it was the days when quests involving same NPC, blocked other quests with the same NPC, doing a wipe would be plain stupid. If nowadays the system has improved significantly I would agree with it.
Reading now about players having bugged quests, is it sure it's due to old data and same trouble can be (@Xillix: almost) excluded? (Yes, it's a rethorical question)
I would assume a wipe would not be done until after the next release, which will include my changes to how npc responses are stored and how npcs would still speak to you in one quest even if you are doing one for them already (which they do not now). This will avoid most (I can not guaranty all :)) of the cases that caused conflicting quests. It will not solve the conflicts that already exist though. For that you will have to restart the quests, which you cannot always do (for one-time only quests). GMs could discard your quests one by one. I bet all GMs vote for a quest wipe though :)
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Me ponders redoing a certain .... quest, from a certain dwarven woman at the Bronze Door ramp..... :detective:
Maybe..... hmmm.....
i suppose so...
And :offtopic: about the 3rd way in the Winch: i know what it is, i just haven't found how to get it. A friend got it - she doesn't know how ;D .
Anyways, i suppose that would be ~one~ way to get the letter for the Winch boss, again..... I lost it on my new char. No, not my dog, the Vigisimi ate it.
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I voted "yes", no surprise there. If it's going to make bug testing and development easier, I think it's a no brainer. It would be nice if winch access could be left untouched (One can always have hope), but if it is better to wipe that too, then so be it.
Me ponders redoing a certain .... quest, from a certain dwarven woman at the Bronze Door ramp..... :detective:
Yeah, I was thinking of that one too. Knowing what I know now, I wonder how many of the run for three day quests, I wouldn't do again.
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If it's going to make bug testing and development easier, I think it's a no brainer.
It'll do much more than that. Remember the mantra of the settings department: "Quest fixes aren't retroactive." You get an instance of a quest as soon as you start it, and it stays even if the quest is changed. So when some players get stuck for whatever reason, and we create a way to fix it, it's fixed for anyone who takes it afterward.
With a quest wipe, you'll have full access to all the updated versions. And boy howdy are there a lot. We're creeping up on the big 2-0-0 for quests completable by any given PC. (For all you guilds out there with quest spoiler lists: you'll see just how outdated your lists are.) :detective:
So yes, it's a lot easier to test a bug in a quest when it's the quest everyone has, not the one you took last year.
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As a new character on a recent account I see no need for a quest wipe. I voted no.
For the record my old account also voted no for a different reason.
Discount my vote if you like but I suspect I am not the only one to vote with different accounts.
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Even if that means to reach the Winch again... starting over may be the only solution for several chars already.
But: Until today I haven't met any char who made the 3rd (merchants) way... You are still sure it exists?
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But: Until today I haven't met any char who made the 3rd (merchants) way... You are still sure it exists?
Positive. I've had it tested. There are even hints in game as to who gives the quest. :detective:
But why have only a rare few made the third way? Simple. It was the third one to be created. By that time, most people had completed the first way, and a handful caught on to the second way. They had also created a culture of telling new players exactly how to get into the winch using what was known. Hopefully now, with things such as factions in the mix, people can start playing to their character. Which group of people do I want to help to get in the winch? (As opposed to: I'll just do this way cause it's quicker, or I'll just do this way cause I know exactly what's involved.)
That'll happen sooner or later anyway. After all, if there's a full wipe that would imply a quest wipe. We might quest wipe first, though. I am glad to see many players are in favour of at least quest wiping.
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Yeah, I'm all for a quest wipe. Provided all known quest bugs are fixed and those conflict issues are resolved, this seems to be a good time to do it. Recently with an alt I did 8 bronze door quests at once and didn't have a problem.. \\o// Doing those one at a time is crazy.
I don't think wiping quest items is necessary. I certainly wouldn't want to lose some of those glyphs. It will also give us an opportunity to get other glyphs in cases where we were offered a choice, and they're not available anywhere else. :devil:
As for quest items being dropped, that is simple...just enable NPC's to buy them for a few tria. If it's not worth the trip, some newbie can profit off of picking them up. As for those in between items (ones to be given to another NPC to continue the quest) but because something happened and we are stuck with those items, it'll be nice to have them as a backup in case they are lost the second time around. After that just give them to a gm to be destroyed.
As for factions, yes, I think those should be wiped too. Are they even being used for anything yet? And here's the big question (hopefully this can be disclosed) do factions currently determine whether one can get certain quests? ??? If not, how close are we to that and would a quest wipe actually help with that? If it's reasonably close, I'd say wait for that to be in place.
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I approve. :thumbup:
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I want a quest wipe too :D
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I'm pro questwipe
because some of the quests had bugs and must be closed unfinished :(..
That's the reason why i say YES to the questwipe :-X
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I'm pro questwipe
because some of the quests had bugs and must be closed unfinished :(..
That's the reason why i say YES to the questwipe :-X
i think so, too.
Yes for a quest wipe. thanks for the poll.
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And i think so too,
Yes for the (quest)wipe
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It seems this thread is proving what people think about the quests. Those people in favor of a quest wipe but not a full wipe appear to consider quests as no more than trifles with no impact on their character's history. Let's do have a lobotomy and we can blissfully redo the quests with no sense of deja vu.
Doing the quests ought to be more than playing the game it should also be part of playing your character. I applaud those people who refuse to do quests because it would be out of character. I would also urge them to develop a different character who would do these favors. Consistency is good but variety is the spice of life.
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Yes, a questwipe would be a good thought. Having several that appear unfinishable at this time, and also not beeing able to throw them out is... unpleasant
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Talk about split personality, My player side says No, I don't want to do all those quests again. :thumbdown:
My testing side says Yes, wipe it so we can clear some old bugs off and concentrate on finding and sorting new bugs :thumbup:
Um,Err, Um, Err... Testing wins, go for the wipe. Maybe I'll actually beat someone to reporting a bug for a change.
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It seems this thread is proving what people think about the quests. Those people in favor of a quest wipe but not a full wipe appear to consider quests as no more than trifles with no impact on their character's history. Let's do have a lobotomy and we can blissfully redo the quests with no sense of deja vu.
Talk about split personality, My player side says No, I don't want to do all those quests again. :thumbdown:
These quotes seem to suggest that many people do not understand what a quest wipe means (the first person quoted seems to do though): your quest history will be gone, but in general there is no need to do ALL quests over again. There may be some (to get into the winch, prerequisites for later quests your character did not do yet, some to get factions, if those are reset), but most quests you have finished before you do not have to do at all. Your character already did them and got rewards for them. The only thing is that you-the-player, does not see them listed as completed quests. Unless you want to exploit the situation and get high rewards from one time quests again, just do as the first quote says, and let your character decide what quests to do next.
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wiping the uncompleted: YES
wiping the completed: NO
/me can't vote :lol:
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If people would not run around and collect quest in bunches, instead of completing them as they get them - one for one, then they would not be stuck with broken quests. I have completed all quests! The ones that I couldn't (two in fact) had a glitch.
I voted for NO wipe!
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If people would not run around and collect quest in bunches, instead of completing them as they get them - one for one, then they would not be stuck with broken quests. I have completed all quests! The ones that I couldn't (two in fact) had a glitch.
First of all, this is nonsense because it is clearly stated that there were bugs in some quests.
Second, some people might have done a mistake in one quest and can't repeat it, some even in important quests which give access the the Whinch.
Third, some might find it interesting to redo quests they had trouble with and (this time) don't get mad about silly/non-reacting NPCs but appreciate more what is really involved like the (now corrected?) reaction of the NPCs.
Fourth, if it is needed to properly test the quests and/or look for still existing bugs, I say, do it, as it is for a development of the game as a whole.
And last but not least: I don't know about you, but I just don't want to walk around for years just to complete quests. I simply see no sense in doing just one quest after the other simply because I had to walk long paths between the cities over and over and over again with no end and which gets oh-so-boring after a very short while.
So, I voted ***yes*** for a complete quest wipe, removing everything, factions, items and access to the Whinch.
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If people would not run around and collect quest in bunches, instead of completing them as they get them - one for one, then they would not be stuck with broken quests. I have completed all quests! The ones that I couldn't (two in fact) had a glitch.
Since quests are being added all the time (Jeraphon somewhere mentioned there are almost 200 now), you can only know that you did all quests when you have a list of them, which is only available to the devs. For a dev, it is easy to do the quests without conflicts, so your vote does not count :). EIther that or you are talking nonsens. FOr all other normal players, here are some eamples/reasons you can get conflicts, without it being your fault:
- you talked to a menki about work and got a quest without asking for it (at least that used to happen). This quest was also bugged later on
- you talked to a guard, said 'yes' to some question, but went off searching for what he needed without waiting a minute for his answer, so that quest step did not register.
- in the middle of a conversation with an NPC that did not understand anything you said, you logged of. Next time, he appears to have forgotten about you.
- you have quests stuck due similar things as those, do not want to stop questing and do more.
- you start a quest that requires items that are difficult for you to get. Instead of powerleveling for a few months so you can get them, you decided to do some other quests. Which might have gotten stuck because an NPC refused to talk to you about any quests other than the one you had with them.
Hopefully all of the examples I mentioned are gone, so you can just mix up quests as you like.
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Voted yes
-One of the few people that have been locked out, also no luck on the merchant way :'(
Have been trying to get in there over the past year, but had to many quests that got bugged.
But also I don't have a real need for it, as the Winch has been opened for a little while and
I have been able to do the things I should have done.
Al-thru I would love to do the quests out there, but then again I regularly pickup a new quest
in other places which keeps me busy.
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All for a questwipe. Don't do them that much but have a few who conflicted before and many wquests you simply can't redo so throwing them out of my questlogs is a bit iffy sometmes aswell.
Anyhow seeing many quests I hear are tweaked since I did them and believe me some were ages back. It would be fun to redo them without having to make a new character.
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First of all, this is nonsense because it is clearly stated that there were bugs in some quests.
Second, some people might have done a mistake in one quest and can't repeat it, some even in important quests which give access the the Whinch.
And last but not least: I don't know about you, but I just don't want to walk around for years just to complete quests. I simply see no sense in doing just one quest after the other simply because I had to walk long paths between the cities over and over and over again with no end and which gets oh-so-boring after a very short while.
You see - that is the problem for most players - they (and also you) are to lazy to do the walking! Rather "Powerquest" get all quests in one area, like BD - and then get glitches and bugs because they interfere with each other.
Surely there are bugs in the quests - but I solved some with alts, when there was a bug in a conversations or when I even lost an item because of some or other reason.
And may I just add - this is a poll - everyone is free to mention their believes and thoughts - so nothing is "nonsense" - its all part of development. :) :beta:
I have completed all quests! The ones that I couldn't (two in fact) had a glitch.
Let me re-phrase then - I did loads of quests 165 all in all - and some even twice or three times with alts to check some of the mentioned bugs - and most of them I didn't have troubles with! :innocent:
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Let me re-phrase then - I did loads of quests 165 all in all - and some even twice or three times with alts to check some of the mentioned bugs - and most of them I didn't have troubles with! :innocent:
Thx for clarifying. Ok, those are a lot of quests. Now let me rephrase my 'your NO does not count' then :). In the form of a question which is the argumentation for your NO. Some possible answers:
- I could do it, and all others with conflicted quests or running around the world should do too
- I do not mind at all, but will answer NO for all others anyway :)
Sorry, but that is how your NO comes across. This is not the place for discussion though. Your NO can count as well as all the YESses.
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I get the general sense that most are ok with a quest wipe.
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I get the general sense that most are ok with a quest wipe.
So then let us know when you set a date to do it :P :whistling:
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Absolutely! Go for it! I can't wait to retry all the ones that were buggy and see how they are supposed to go. I had given up on quests entirely due to frustration at the bugs. In fact, I'd given up on the whole game for a while as well. If the quests are fixed and the conflicts are all gone this will really make the game interesting again.
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If the quests are fixed and the conflicts are all gone this will really make the game interesting again.
The code isn't on the server until next release rolls out, so it would make most sense to only wipe it sometime after the next release is rolled out. When is that next release you ask? Oh, what is that I'm supposed to say again... oh yes, "I'm sorry, that's classified need to know top secret hush hush information."
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When is that next release you ask? Oh, what is that I'm supposed to say again... oh yes, "I'm sorry, that's classified need to know top secret hush hush information."
:)
NOOOOOOOooooo...... you're supposed to say "Soon™" 8)
;D
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nahh, I don't own the trademark to be able to say that. ;)
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It will take settings more time to organize than we thought. Out of respect for your wishes we will make the fixes first and decide where to go from there. Thank you all for participating.
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eh... yeah...
do you want to do the quest wipe now or later to another time?
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I think Xillix means this:
The quest code has been fixed pretty good, but some quest scripts still have issues. All quests will be fixed to a satisfactory level first, after that the wipe will come. So perhaps 0.4.001 ;)