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Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Prolix on May 23, 2008, 11:28:13 pm
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I would like a spell that takes magic cast upon me by others and converts it to mana for my use. I find it quite annoying when someone comes up behind me while I am healing myself and practices their healing on me without asking. Such a spell would power my own healing spell and deny the rude healer their practice.
Alternatively, I would like to direct my anti-magic skill to prevent such "help." I hear anti-magic skill is now functional but have had no chance to find out for myself.
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Who would not want to get healed when wounded?
Possibly only "militant roleplayers" playing some "allergy against crystal spells"... ?! ;)
Well, of course, healers should first introduce and offer their service.
In current societies on earth, they would possibly first heal and then request a fee for their service... :D
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A militant power-leveler who resents having practice opportunity stolen from them?
A fiercely independent type who does not wish to be beholden to anyone? Say what you will about how a freely given benefit incurs no obligation of the part of the receiver, some people would never agree.
Besides someone who walks up and starts healing you with not a word is not role playing a benevolent bypasser, they are being an opportunistic xp hog. It smacks of godmodding as it does not give me the chance to demur. It is especially rude when you can be seen to be taking care of yourself in the first place.
I am sure it is not high on anyones list of priorities but you should be able to refuse unwanted help, or channel it as you see fit, with no more word than it is offered with.
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Prolix, i love your posts my friend, but if your complaining about people healing you, because you want to practice healing on yourself - then there is a little double standard in your posts my friend.
Also calling passng healers as XP hog,s in fact i find that discouraging for those who generally want to heal people, even in real life healers will heal first before asking if they see someone wounded, its part of there nature to have the desire to help save life.
Patients do however have the right to refuse healing but that does not mean the "Doctor" will listen.
I do see the benefit for an "Anti Spell" spell, but would akin it to more of an mana drain effect used in combat rather than a semi perm shield for the suggesstions you have made.
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A militant power-leveler who resents having practice opportunity stolen from them?
you can heal regardless of your hp been full so whats to cry about?
Besides someone who walks up and starts healing you with not a word is not role playing a benevolent bypasser, they are being an opportunistic xp hog.
if i see some one with low hp i heal them out of good will rather for xp..
and never have i been icly nor oocly complained at every person has always said thanks assuming they was not afk
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you should be able to refuse unwanted help,
I totally agree. I don't want every "passer by" touching me.
No, I don't want the help of "just anyone". And it's rather ridiculous to see some attempts which give about 0.1% :P ...if they don't know that way of magic well enough, who knows what they could be doing wrong. And apart from that, who knows that they're really going to heal you instead of "instilling some bad energy" or "stinging you with some poisoned needle" or such.
You don't go to someone IRL and touch them or put something onto their wound, whilst they are already helping themself, without even saying a word, or asking if you can help - do you?
Stay off, stranger - touch me not!
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So what doctor who, when seeing someone competently applying first aid to themselves, will step in an take over? More logically they might offer a suggestion or two but not strap the patient into a gurney and wheel him into an operating theatre.
If you want to heal me ASK!!! If you do not ask I have every right to assume that spell you have just started to cast is an attack regardless if I think I recognize from your style that it is, in fact a healing spell. To sneak up behind me and start casting is completely rude. Not everybody uses the OOC camera modes some of us run around in first person mode despite its OOC limitations -- no peripheral vision and incomplete sound cues.
I do not cast useless spells so I practice my healing when I take damage. As far as I am concerned casting magic to no effect should have no practice value and is an abuse of a bug.
How is/me heals A_Leper
different than /me kills A_Leper?
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You raise a valid point there, especially the part of a character not recognising a healing spell and assuming it is an attack - could have serious consequences.
Dont get me wrong proliz, i agree its just polite to ask
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Hmm, I hope my post didn't sound ironical. It's indeed my oppinion that I don't want to be touched by any stranger who comes along.
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Oh don't get paranoic y'all. Sometimes it happens that I heal somebody unasked and nobody has ever complained. Everyone was happy to get a free healing. So it's a little bit like acting you know? When I was a n00b I was often healed by somebody I haven't asked to do so, just because I did't want to bother nobody. So don't get it twisted.
I do not cast useless spells so I practice my healing when I take damage. As far as I am concerned casting magic to no effect should have no practice value and is an abuse of a bug.
In fact the major part of honing a skill is to use it. And how to use a heal spell? On rogues or tefus? :-\
To me it's obvious that it should be practiced on people who need medical assistance to gain some expierience to help others even better O--)
Besides it's an action adecuate to my character description. I'm a healer and can't stand seeing somebody hurts and do nothing about it. Even when he didn't asked. :innocent:
So if I heal you and you don't want to - tell me. But even then I won't let you to bleed out in the middle of the road. If you want to stay bleeding - stay off my sight , I promise I won't heal you then ;D
See you till next healing
HEALER :sorcerer:
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Well HEALER, open a free clinic if you are so altruistic. If I am healing myself however poorly you taking over with your grand skill is nothing less than an insult to my self-sufficiency.
As I said before when I damage myself I get to practice my healing. I mostly do not go around clicking on people to see if they have taken damage so I can practice on them. The event that prompted this thread happened in the DR when I fell off a ramp and I was ruefully healing myself already. If you really want to practice on other people I suggest you hire yourself out to someone who wants to fight above their weight class and needs constant healing in battle.
At this point I am willing to suggest that beneficial magic require an acceptance check from the recipient in order to not trigger any magic resistance skill he may have. As far as I can tell this skill is only useful in PVP or at extreme levels of combat proficiency. I have yet to have a mob attack me with magic but I have not fought all the new mobs yet. I think that skill is passive but there might be a way to use it directly. I just do not know.
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I haven't said that I
go around clicking on people to see if they have taken damage so I can practice on them.
But when I'm talking with somebody and see that this person is wounded, I'm doing some healing and never heard any complaint.
Besides there are lot of n00bs that can't judge their opponents wisely, so it's often neccessary to help them out during fight. And don't be so stuck on the experience side of this case, because it is possible to cast a healing on npc's as well, so when I'm healing someone I don't do it for expierience points but to help.
One exception should be made altough. When somebody is actually healing himself in the moment he SHOULD NOT be helped because there is no reason to do this as he can handle himself and that's true.
Otherwise I prefer to heal someone if I met someone hurting during my travels.
One more point. Personally I think that in DR healing shouldn't be allowed.
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I agree 100%, and probably more, with Prolix.
More than that, healers are abusing the system: even when told to back off, they keep doing it. ICly, they would be paid with a blade through their face. But one can cast spells on someone else without any risk of retaliation, so why bother?
In fact, it's not only valid for healers. Some guys chase you around trying to read your mind, or do some other stuff, and you can do nothing but log off to avoid it. Great! ... while we all know the simplest way to interrupt a spellcasting.
I've never been harassed by PLers. Only by mages, and mostly healers.
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/me agrees.
Feature request it in the bugtracker, Prolix. I suggest an option like PvP, Refuse helpful spells, Ask every time, Accept every time.
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done. http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=2332&project=2 (http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=2332&project=2)
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Is this somehow different than the Anti-Magic skill?
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I find it quite annoying when someone comes up behind me while I am healing myself and practices their healing on me without asking.
I agree with this sentence. If I wanted to troll the crap out of this game, I'd go to the tavern and repeatedly cast heal spells and unwanted buffs on those who are engaged in RP. This is called drive-by buffing and is considered an effective way to troll a role-playing intensive game.
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I can hear the rancor in your voice. Sounds like a separate wish for a spell-spam mute feature...
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Well yes, it is somewhat different with the anti-magic skill as I imagine it will be implemented. I think that skill will be primarily useful for non-magic users and will cause magic effects to be resisted. Such a spell as I initially proposed would be a source of additional magic power for mages who ought to have reduced magic resistance abilities. However as this thread developed the systemic ability to refuse to have your character affected by another came to the forefront. This aspect of the wish is little more than asking for an extension of the anti-pvp measures already in place. Should they be separate feature requests? quite possibly. The latter feature could likely be fairly quickly implemented wheareas the former feature is for the long term.
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I do like the original "first" request, where I could convert someone else's spell into mana. I don't know about the implication of the caster not getting anything for casting the spell if I can convert it... but the conversion itself I like.
If I understand the "second" request properly, it is another screw the power levelers feature. Translation: I don't want people to be able to cast spells on me (even those that might benefit me) without permission. Sure, fine, whatever. Just make it to where you have to "accept" a duel just to get healed if that floats your boat. You can't cast spells that will damage another player unless you "accept", why not go the extra mile and say you can't even talk to me without permission too?
I will admit to occasionally coming up and healing someone who was just actively in battle. Ususally "you notice that X is noticably weaker than you" and just got smacked around by a rat. I do not just "spam heal" people to "gain XP" or to try to level my crystal way. I usually engage the character in conversation after though too... and have never been told to go piss off or anything. I did not realize there was such annoyance with this practice in-game.
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Mythryndel, it is true that such a mechanism is double-edged, like the /challenge tool is. It protects RP in some ways, while it forbids other forms or RP.
I could happily play a case like the one you describe: being healed, then assault verbally the healer, then receive a lecture, or an apology, or a butt-kicking session, or whatever. But indeed you had a reason to heal IC and you did wait for the dialog to occur with that guy. You were in a case where the permission thingy would be more than bizarre.
Unfortunately, most healing happens with no reason, as when walking through Hydlaa plaza, in the Arena, which is the opposite of a hospital, by a merchant while browsing through his wares, or while you're chatting with the NPC best healer of the world. Not to mention that in many cases, you're not even physically injured: Dakkru curse just ended, or you equipped a magical blade raising your stats, or you're quietly sit trying to combine glyphs.... Anyway, all these examples have in common that:
- You are not in danger
- You are not asking for help, although you have all the time you'd need to do so
I'd be happy if players refrained themselves, or if they would just talk before acting, as in "are you injured?". Never mind the trollers (or whatever you call them); there are so many possible ways of annoying someone, this is not the worst one. But if game mechanics are to be added, let's think of a better, less RP intrusive way. Maybe a Resist Healing skill? Healing as a contact spell instead of ranged? Healing only possible inside a group? Healing zones?
I'll keep thinking about it. Meanwhile, I created a healer character, to study things from the other side. In particular, how does a healer fit in a world where people don't die?
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/me looks through his logs....
(00:27:43) Vannaka says: It looks like you're taking an awful beating from that trepor.
(00:28:18) Vannaka says: I'm afraid if that goes on much longer you'll end up in the death realm.
(00:28:49) Vannaka says: Do you mind if I heal you real quick? Or would you consider that to be an annoyance... i know how much some people hate to be touched.
[name omitted] has been killed by trepor.
(00:30:08) Vannaka says: That's quite alright, I respect your wishes to not be healed without permission. Not a problem. Have a nice day.
see, some people make sure not to heal without consent.
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I can see where this might annoy some players, but I (and my character) have always tried to be helpful to new players (characters). I take many things into account, default character description, current health, what creature they were just fighting, what armor/weapons they are using, etc. I will try to chat with them, not always before healing I will admit, but never for personal gain IC or OOC.
Basically, if you are new, I am nice and may take a few more liberties in helping you out. If you have been around for a while, I raise the bar and figure you can fend for yourself unless you specifically ask for help or accept an offer of help. To me, the secondary issue of accepting non-harmful spell-effects, is a low priority, even for a wish. I don't even understand why people would do what has been described (not hurt, but getting healed anyway), given that you can target yourself and heal all day long if all you are doing is training.
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That's pretty hilarious. Also why I tend to avoid playing this game. Everything seems to devolve into tedium. Heal them all, I say! And follow it with "lolz i h34l3d joo -- teh healerz roolz"!
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I do not cast useless spells so I practice my healing when I take damage. As far as I am concerned casting magic to no effect should have no practice value and is an abuse of a bug.
no bug.
your body sheds skin every day as it constantly heals it's self.
if anything we might get some graphics of excess body tissue melting/flaking/falling off the character/characters being over healed.
If i see someone near death in combat , i will heal without word. that is life preservation.
if im in communication or sitting in a cirlce an some1's curse wears off i just heal them
if you are in combat and someone comes up and heals you , it is in good faith.
if your researching spells and taxxing life essance from yourself and someone insists on healing you in a non violent enviroment. then you definatly have reason to think it's pointless.
and there is merit to denial. just spam research and drain your life away , they will give up.
but like others are saying , it's instinctive for a healer to want to heal.
but your argument for healing the healthy = a bug , is pretty flawed
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Well i think Healing spells should only be allowed given that the character trust's another character, it could be programmed where you could enable RP switches which indicates your character is trusting of only certain conditions... Race? Party? Clan?
There is any number of conditions that could be set such as changing your profile description depending on what race's (or players) are around.
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You know I just thought of an even better spell. Let me cast a spell that accepts your healing and takes the health away from you so you wind up killing yourself if you are not paying attention or give me an item that imbues me with that effect and I will never ever remove it! If I had something like that I would never again complain about someone undermining my self-sufficiency in that way again.
Really there should be a law or mages code or something. In a world where anyone can learn magic unsolicited spells cast upon you is just rude.
I mean you wouldn't go up to someone and drag their armor off them just so you can repair it, I can see it now there you are trying to fight the ulbernaut and I have your left foot in a vice like grip while I apply polish to your boot. Now you are trying to hammer an axe blade you are crafting and I hit it three times to your one. Oh wait, all those things are prevented by the game mechanics.
Oh and what I consider a bug ( a personal opinion, of course) is getting practice points for wasting mana. Unfortunately that is pretty much the only way to level some Ways. Please allow me to cast a couple hundred defensive winds in the plaza just to gain a level or two. That is like learning to drive by sitting in the drivers seat and going vrooom vroom! Beep beep Get out my way or I'll run you down.
Personally if I was the god Talad I would get extremely annoyed at all the losers cheapening my gift to the people.