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Prolix

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Spell eating spell
« on: May 23, 2008, 11:28:13 pm »
I would like a spell that takes magic cast upon me by others and converts it to mana for my use. I find it quite annoying when someone comes up behind me while I am healing myself and practices their healing on me without asking. Such a spell would power my own healing spell and deny the rude healer their practice.

 Alternatively, I would like to direct my anti-magic skill to prevent such "help." I hear anti-magic skill is now functional but have had no chance to find out for myself.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2008, 08:28:22 am »
Who would not want to get healed when wounded?

Possibly only "militant roleplayers" playing some "allergy against crystal spells"... ?! ;)

Well, of course, healers should first introduce and offer their service.

In current societies on earth, they would possibly first heal and then request a fee for their service... :D

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2008, 03:01:45 pm »
A militant power-leveler who resents having practice opportunity stolen from them?
A fiercely independent type who does not wish to be beholden to anyone? Say what you will about how a freely given benefit incurs no obligation of the part of the receiver, some people would never agree.

Besides someone who walks up and starts healing you with not a word is not role playing a benevolent bypasser, they are being an opportunistic xp hog. It smacks of godmodding as it does not give me the chance to demur. It is especially rude when you can be seen to be taking care of yourself in the first place.

I am sure it is not high on anyones list of priorities but you should be able to refuse unwanted help, or channel it as you see fit, with no more word than it is offered with.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 03:22:20 pm »
Prolix, i love your posts my friend, but if your complaining about people healing you, because you want to practice healing on yourself - then there is a little double standard in your posts my friend.

Also calling passng healers as XP hog,s in fact i find that discouraging for those who generally want to heal people, even in real life healers will heal first before asking if they see someone wounded, its part of there nature to have the desire to help save life.

Patients do however have the right to refuse healing but that does not mean the "Doctor" will listen.

I do see the benefit for an "Anti Spell" spell, but would akin it to more of an mana drain effect used in combat rather than a semi perm shield for the suggesstions you have made.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 03:25:19 pm »
A militant power-leveler who resents having practice opportunity stolen from them?
you can heal regardless of your hp been full so whats to cry about?

Besides someone who walks up and starts healing you with not a word is not role playing a benevolent bypasser, they are being an opportunistic xp hog.

if i see some one with low hp i heal them out of good will rather for xp..
and never have i been icly nor oocly complained at every person has always said thanks assuming they was not afk

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 03:36:51 pm »
you should be able to refuse unwanted help,

I totally agree. I don't want every "passer by" touching me.

No, I don't want the help of "just anyone". And it's rather ridiculous to see some attempts which give about 0.1% :P ...if they don't know that way of magic well enough, who knows what they could be doing wrong. And apart from that, who knows that they're really going to heal you instead of "instilling some bad energy" or "stinging you with some poisoned needle" or such.
You don't go to someone IRL and touch them or put something onto their wound, whilst they are already helping themself, without even saying a word, or asking if you can help - do you?

Stay off, stranger - touch me not!

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 03:47:20 pm »
So what doctor who, when seeing someone competently applying first aid to themselves, will step in an take over? More logically they might offer a suggestion or two but not strap the patient into a gurney and wheel him into an operating theatre.

If you want to heal me ASK!!! If you do not ask I have every right to assume that spell you have just started to cast is an attack regardless if I think I recognize from your style that it is, in fact a healing spell. To sneak up behind me and start casting is completely rude. Not everybody uses the OOC camera modes some of us run around in first person mode despite its OOC limitations -- no peripheral vision and incomplete sound cues.

I do not cast useless spells so I practice my healing when I take damage. As far as I am concerned casting magic to no effect should have no practice value and is an abuse of a bug.

How is
* Prolix heals A_Leper
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* Prolix kills A_Leper?

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 04:34:11 pm »
You raise a valid point there, especially the part of a character not recognising a healing spell and assuming it is an attack - could have serious consequences.

Dont get me wrong proliz, i agree its just polite to ask
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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 05:36:52 pm »
Hmm, I hope my post didn't sound ironical. It's indeed my oppinion that I don't want to be touched by any stranger who comes along.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 02:13:53 am »
Oh don't get paranoic y'all. Sometimes it happens that I heal somebody unasked and nobody has ever complained. Everyone was happy to get a free healing. So it's a little bit like acting you know? When I was a n00b I was often healed by somebody I haven't asked to do so, just because I did't want to bother nobody. So don't get it twisted.
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I do not cast useless spells so I practice my healing when I take damage. As far as I am concerned casting magic to no effect should have no practice value and is an abuse of a bug.
In fact the major part of honing a skill is to use it. And how to use a heal spell? On rogues or tefus?  :-\
To me it's obvious that it should be practiced on people who need medical assistance to gain some expierience to help others even better  O--)
Besides it's an action adecuate to my character description. I'm a healer and can't stand seeing somebody hurts and do nothing about it. Even when he didn't asked.  :innocent:
So if I heal you and you don't want to - tell me. But even then I won't let you to bleed out in the middle of the road. If you want to stay bleeding - stay off my sight , I promise I won't heal you then  ;D

See you till next healing

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 02:35:27 am »
Well HEALER, open a free clinic if you are so altruistic. If I am healing myself however poorly you taking over with your grand skill is nothing less than an insult to my self-sufficiency.

As I said before when I damage myself I get to practice my healing. I mostly do not go around clicking on people to see if they have taken damage so I can practice on them. The event that prompted this thread happened in the DR when I fell off a ramp and I was ruefully healing myself already. If you really want to practice on other people I suggest you hire yourself out to someone who wants to fight above their weight class and needs constant healing in battle.

At this point I am willing to suggest that beneficial magic require an acceptance check from the recipient in order to not trigger any magic resistance skill he may have. As far as I can tell this skill is only useful in PVP or at extreme levels of combat proficiency. I have yet to have a mob attack me with magic but I have not fought all the new mobs yet. I think that skill is passive but there might be a way to use it directly. I just do not know.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 01:35:29 pm »
I haven't said that I
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go around clicking on people to see if they have taken damage so I can practice on them.
But when I'm talking with somebody and see that this person is wounded, I'm doing some healing and never heard any complaint.
 Besides there are lot of n00bs that can't judge their opponents wisely, so it's often neccessary to help them out during fight. And don't be so stuck on the experience side of this case, because it is possible to cast a healing on npc's as well, so when I'm healing someone I don't do it for expierience points but to help.
One exception should be made altough. When somebody is actually healing himself in the moment he SHOULD NOT be helped because there is no reason to do this as he can handle himself and that's true.
Otherwise I prefer to heal someone if I met someone hurting during my travels.
One more point. Personally I think that in DR healing shouldn't be allowed.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2008, 07:07:07 pm »
I agree 100%, and probably more, with Prolix.

More than that, healers are abusing the system: even when told to back off, they keep doing it. ICly, they would be paid with a blade through their face. But one can cast spells on someone else without any risk of retaliation, so why bother?

In fact, it's not only valid for healers. Some guys chase you around trying to read your mind, or do some other stuff, and you can do nothing but log off to avoid it. Great! ... while we all know the simplest way to interrupt a spellcasting.

I've never been harassed by PLers. Only by mages, and mostly healers.

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Re: Spell eating spell
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2008, 04:42:02 am »
* Under the moon agrees.

Feature request it in the bugtracker, Prolix. I suggest an option like PvP, Refuse helpful spells, Ask every time, Accept every time.

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