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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shaman on June 13, 2008, 09:16:30 pm
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I'm creating a new character, and one of the last names I tried is banned. What's the benefit of banning a character's last name? Wouldn't the first name be all that's needed?
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For obvious reasons... no. This one of those Doh! moments.
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I don't really see what the Doh! is in that. Their first name would be banned, so when they go to login with said first name, they couldn't get in. That's how it would work, no? Since that person's never to be seen again, I don't see why others can't reap away that last name for themselves. Maybe when the person is banned, they could have their name changed to only one name instead of a first and last, so they'd be easier to ban?
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Banning a name is not the same as banning a player. When a player name is deemed inappropriate, it is changed. Then the name is banned so that i can't be used again. This does not prevent said player from logging in again. Last names are banned at the discretion of the GM. Yes, sometimes it is enough just to ban the first name. But there are times when it is necessary to ban the last name as well, such as if we suspect it can be used in an inappropriate manner with another first name.
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If a gm /banname's a name it is banned from being a first or last name no matter what the name is.
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I don't really see what the Doh! is in that. Their first name would be banned, so when they go to login with said first name, they couldn't get in. That's how it would work, no? Since that person's never to be seen again, I don't see why others can't reap away that last name for themselves. Maybe when the person is banned, they could have their name changed to only one name instead of a first and last, so they'd be easier to ban?
That Doh! refers to a very simple fact. If a name is inappropriate, it can be either the First Name, or the Last Name or even both. As we just heard from the GM's when the name is banned it automatically bans both. But think of it this way - if a person chooses an inappropriate name, and I mean that in the bad way of inappropriate, then he can do the same with both First Name and Last Name, right? It seems very natural that the GM's need the ability to ban both from that perpective.
Maybe a "better" way would be to have the ability to do so individually to each part of the name, and not automatically both, but that is another deal.
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Yeah, despite PS is supposed to be a drak fantasy, my original name (Tormentor) was changed by GM :)
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Shaman was just confused by the message he got. He assumed a player was banned instead of the use of a name. Players are banned based on their email-address and IP though, this has nothing to do with this message. Apparently the name chosen was not appropriate, because it sounds like an OOC thing, or a profanity, or any other rule from the naming policy.
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Tormentor is not a name, it's a function. ;) Unlike most games out there PS has a strict naming policy that includes your name being an actual name, like real life.
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You mean I can't play N00b Tormentor Z? :o
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Nope... but I can make you a t-shirt with that name ::)
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Maybe a "better" way would be to have the ability to do so individually to each part of the name, and not automatically both, but that is another deal.
Actually, this is how it works. We ban each part of the name seperately. But generally if a name can be used in combination with another name to violate the policy, there are other possible combinations, so in most cases it is prudent to ban both the first and the last name. It is a bit of a judgement call, though.
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Hm, so the last name Tomahawk is inappropriate?
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It has meaning IRL and clearly outside of PS settings so it can be disruptive for other players. That's a name we'd probably change, yes.
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Hm, but a tomahawk is a weapon. Axes and swords mean something in real life too, would Grimal Bloodaxe's name be up for change too, then?
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Gah, I think its pretty much up to people individually - one takes things disruptive others dont.. "Plank"
has meaning IRL
as well, and I am not sure if calling my next char "Table" would be as fine.
Tomahawks are referring to real life cultures pretty much off setting, I agree here, I wouldnt allow that either - but again I see it like with calling yourself "Queen". Both I consider equally unacceptable, but obviously its only about povs of people in charge. If you can call yourself Queen, and arent even trying to make it look like you mean it in a whole new definition (because "Queen" does mean to Yliakums people as much as "Zradiddlratafl"), why not using Tomahawk, but DO give it a meaning all new?
I am aware of GMs dont have an easy task there, hence I am explicitly not trying to oppose, but to encourage people to just try to claim names of their taste!
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Tomahawk is somewhat of a tribal weapon, original to American Indians if I'm not mistaken. Axes exist in Planeshift and they are very much used, so Grimal's name makes sense.
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Maybe a "better" way would be to have the ability to do so individually to each part of the name, and not automatically both, but that is another deal.
Actually, this is how it works. We ban each part of the name seperately. But generally if a name can be used in combination with another name to violate the policy, there are other possible combinations, so in most cases it is prudent to ban both the first and the last name. It is a bit of a judgement call, though.
there is only one /banname command it bans a name from being used for first or last name Rayken. You can pick to ban a first or a last name of a player but then it cant be used for either a first or last name in the future. It also cant be used as a pets name.
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That is what i was trying to say ^_^ Thanks Caarrie.
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Gah, I think its pretty much up to people individually - one takes things disruptive others dont.. "Plank"
has meaning IRL
as well, and I am not sure if calling my next char "Table" would be as fine.
Tomahawks are referring to real life cultures pretty much off setting, I agree here, I wouldnt allow that either - but again I see it like with calling yourself "Queen". Both I consider equally unacceptable, but obviously its only about povs of people in charge. If you can call yourself Queen, and arent even trying to make it look like you mean it in a whole new definition (because "Queen" does mean to Yliakums people as much as "Zradiddlratafl"), why not using Tomahawk, but DO give it a meaning all new?
I am aware of GMs dont have an easy task there, hence I am explicitly not trying to oppose, but to encourage people to just try to claim names of their taste!
As far as names with meaning in other languages than English go, we only police those that are profane or easily recognized by English speakers. Others we only discuss if they are petitioned against and in some cases we allow them and others we change them. If you google any word, you're likely to find meaning to it so that's why we cannot be so draconian about it. The most important factor is whether or not the name chosen is disruptive and to what degree, whatever the language or form.
Remember that name changes are final and the decisions reached by the GM team cannot be appealed. Likewise, each case is different so using another player's name to argue one's worth is not likely to make any difference. If you have any questions about your name being changed, feel free to ask a GM about it, but know that you only get one chance to choose another name if your name has been changed. Asking another GM to revert the change is against the rules.
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Maybe a "better" way would be to have the ability to do so individually to each part of the name, and not automatically both, but that is another deal.
It would be more work for the gms but if you want to see this ingame make a feature request out of it on the tracker.
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If it ain't broken, don't fix it I say. :)
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Btw, can i name my pet after an existing player? :)/me asks with innocent intentions :)
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when pet naming first came out, you could name your pet the same name as another char's name, but I don't think you're able to do that anymore. You'd have to have a slight variation on the spelling now.
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Btw, can i name my pet after an existing player? :)/me asks with innocent intentions :)
It is not possible to have anymore more then 1 character/pet with the same name it makes some gm commands not work if there is such a situation. all names for pets and characters have to be different.
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Yeah, despite PS is supposed to be a drak fantasy, my original name (Tormentor) was changed by GM :)
Leaving difference between "is supposed to be" and "is" alone behind, names such as Tormentor have absolutely nothing to do with dark fantasy. Dark fantasy doesn't just present an evil-ridden setting, but instead focuses on misery of a human's life, for example done through realistic presentation of medieval times (WFRP), or torment experienced through supernatural horror (Vampire).
Dark themes are native to both dark and heroic fantasy.
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Btw, can i name my pet after an existing player? :)/me asks with innocent intentions :)
It is not possible to have anymore more then 1 character/pet with the same name it makes some gm commands not work if there is such a situation. all names for pets and characters have to be different.
...Of course if the person whose name you are emulating doesn't like this, they can request that you change your pet's name. Not doing so could constitute an act of harassment. The same goes for naming your pet after RL people, forum user names, or PS staff. Check the game policy section for details.
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My second character name is Wanto, Wanto Ziber and its name hasn't still been banned by now, ;D
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My first alt, Furnacespirit Monsterthing, had his name changed. I sat him inside of furnaces and demanded not to be smelted upon. He's Vobika now.
Sktn, that might be because that can either be interpretted as Want-to, Want-oh, or even want-ah. And Ziber's not exactly obvious. :P But I doubt he'll be Wanto much longer.
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Just a curious question. Is it a culture thing to have a last name in Yliakum? Like in RL? Or is it normal to run into those who don't carry last names?
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Last name is mandatory starting from 4.01 as far as I heard.
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Last name is mandatory starting from 4.01 as far as I heard.
that is for parents not for characters, last names for characters has been mandatory for over a year.
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My second character name is Wanto, Wanto Ziber and its name hasn't still been banned by now, ;D
Added to our to-do list.
And for your to-don'ts: Intentionally ignoring the naming policy or any of the Game Rules just because it's so darn fun to "get away with it" will earn you a ban.
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Last name is mandatory starting from 4.01 as far as I heard.
that is for parents not for characters, last names for characters has been mandatory for over a year.
Ok? Well I don't have a last name, when I made my character I didn't give her one. Does this mean I will need one?
But the question still remains ...... is it strange to run into a character without a last name to the peoples of Yliakum (In character)? Or is it apart of the Yailkum culture? We have different cultures residing in Ylaikum, so I want to know if last names are known to all the cultures or just one ... or none?
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Ok? Well I don't have a last name, when I made my character I didn't give her one. Does this mean I will need one?
if you remake your character you will need to add a last name otherwise you are fine.