PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Skil Gannon on January 30, 2010, 10:16:32 am
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Hello,
Firstly i must say i'm impressed with the level and amount of work that has gone into the game so far, it seems like there is a ton of work planned and needed but on the scale the game has been developed so far it's astounding.
I only registered three days ago and i'm still getting my bearings. I would like to add that i've encountered two members of staff (My name at the time was Porkus Pantus but i'll get to that in a minute), so the first member of staff who i can't remember his name unfortunately, i encountered two days in the tutorial section. I must say was helpful and patient with my problem and happily waited a few minutes while i realised i was typing in the wrong chat window :-[ . I just wish i could remember his name.
The only other staff member i've encountered was regarding my name, which i didn't realise had a double meaning. The GM who spoke to me goes by the name Marathal, i must commend her also for her patience, her attitude and her helpfulness. She was always quick and verbose with any questions i asked and had a great attitude towards helping out a n00b like me who is still getting used to the World.
I hope aswell that i may help here and there with the development of the project, this is the first MMORPG i've played but i've been playing RPG's since my old Atari ST in the late 80's. I can't code for toffee and i've got design and graphics skills of a blind badger. But i'm full of ideas, have an interest in medieval history, have a great grasp of the English language.
I'm still only a couple of days old so i have yet to establish a name, so for now i'll report any bugs and spot any spelling mistakes.
Before i forget, had this discussion yesterday:
Thee = You
Thou = Me
:P
See you in PlaneShift,
Skil
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Welcome Skil :)
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Thankyou Rigwyn :D
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Give any thought to your character yet ?
( Alignment, personality, etc.. )
Always looking for a few evil characters to conspire with..
Or a .. Er .. Eh .. Agood guy to bury a sword in. XD
*Rigwyn turns and glares at Garosan Ringe with a how's-your-head-feeling kinda smirk on his face.
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I think so, just my usual stance with RPG's. The nice guy with the big sword mainly. I've never been one to turn onto the dark side, i couldn't keep it up. Plus doing tasks for people may be a little tedious but it's good for XP and for finding people and places, not to mention the gold.
I think i'll be in it for fame, fortune and wanderlust. A well spoken gentleylian with a pure heart, may not be the most quick minded, but quick witted and always on the side for good. I think i will have a dark horse side that creeps out now and again.
I'll have to think about this some more, usually with RPG's i don't put much thought into a character and just choose what i would do. This is going to require a lot of pondering.
Regarding the evil side, i think my character will tolerate it to an extent aslong as it's not murder or assault, for anything minor, aslong as i don't witness it i see no reason to act upon presumptions.
Something else i'll have to ponder :P
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Nice to see good guys in game .. The kind that fight that is.
There's a thread off the in-game roleplaying events section where you can meet other role players or post your own description if you like.
Good luck and enjoy :)
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ahh good ol marathal always changin everyones name..
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lol Go easy on her, it's part of her job description and someone has to do it :flowers:
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Thee and Thou are both referring to 'you'
Thou shalt not steal. = You shall not steal.
Read a Bible, you'll find understanding old English much easier.
For another example: Thou art magnificient, O God....
He's not talking himself up, is he? No, he's saying "You're great, God..."
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The Bible and the 10 commandments are a translation from translated texts that have been translated from other texts that have been translated from and translated.... well you get the picture. You have to remember that until about 200-300 years ago there was no one dialect that was singularly spoken and officially used in England. When the Bible was first printed here it was into several local dialects used here over the years and then re-translated from them again and again until the more modern English language we started to adapt today. Thee and thou meant something different than it did in the 18th\19th century than it did between the 13th and 16th century. Anyway, this isn't a theology discussion or a discussion on ancient Anglo\Latin\Etc... and their translations. Otherwise i'd be here all day.
Thee and thou can mean either you or me really, but it depended on the scribe\printer, documents record both words being used in either context. It was established though that it was more commonly used how i stated it on my original post. You have to remember back when the bible was first being printed in medieval Britain, there were hundreds of local dialects throughout the island. Only a few minor dialects where ever recorded, but with no firm base of language established, with a mixed bag of conquerers over the centuries, language was dilluted, wiped out, expanded or warped depending on who was ruling the area at the time. Again, there is another time and place to discuss this.
Trust me when i say, the Bible isn't a good place to look upon ancient English language, if that's how you think people spoke 500 years ago or even at the time of writing then i will be seriously worried.
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To add: Between 0-1600 years we have had Welsh, Italian, Scottish, Scananavian, French and German rulers and their dialects mixed in with the already local dialects at the time :P
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i dont beleive in the bible, therefor it does not exist
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LOL i'm pretty sure it exists in context as it has been printed over a billion times
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sshhh
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thou means you. thee is a different form of you depending on its place in a sentence. neither mean me.
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A word on thou/thee discussion. English is a Germanic language. As a German, thou/thee are very easy to understand for me. Have a look:
| German | Pronounciation | Ancient English | Usage |
| Du | Doo | Thou | Subject of a sentence |
| Dir | Deer | Thee | Object, "for you" |
| Dein | Dine | Thy | Yours, your |
The analogy isn't perfect, as the German language has more forms for the word "du" than those listed above, but it helps :)
Also: welcome to the game!
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The analogy isn't perfect, as the German language has more forms for the word "du" than those listed above, but it helps :)
Whhaaatt?? Awww....that means I have to learn more words for du >.<
But 'ello and welcome to the game! I look forward to meeting your character :) Just look out for a little Nolthir (who I haven't played on for a while...)
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A word on thou/thee discussion. English is a Germanic language. As a German, thou/thee are very easy to understand for me. Have a look:
| German | Pronounciation | Ancient English | Usage |
| Du | Doo | Thou | Subject of a sentence |
| Dir | Deer | Thee | Object, "for you" |
| Dein | Dine | Thy | Yours, your |
The analogy isn't perfect, as the German language has more forms for the word "du" than those listed above, but it helps :)
Also: welcome to the game!
Well English has a lot to thank Germany for, but don't forget the mix of French, Latin and other languages. But you are right with the German side of things. I'm glad you have added evidence to this discussion with the added Thy.
Thankyou for the welcome Derula and Sarras, keep an eye out for a non-descript bearded Ylian on UK time, which pretty much means when you're asleep and in the late morning\early afternoon time for you. Saying that, i haven't been on today...
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Welcome Skil (or Porkus). :)
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The Bible and the 10 commandments are a translation from translated texts that have been translated from other texts that have been translated from and translated.... well you get the picture. You have to remember that until about 200-300 years ago there was no one dialect that was singularly spoken and officially used in England. When the Bible was first printed here it was into several local dialects used here over the years and then re-translated from them again and again until the more modern English language we started to adapt today. Thee and thou meant something different than it did in the 18th\19th century than it did between the 13th and 16th century. Anyway, this isn't a theology discussion or a discussion on ancient Anglo\Latin\Etc... and their translations. Otherwise i'd be here all day.
Thee and thou can mean either you or me really, but it depended on the scribe\printer, documents record both words being used in either context. It was established though that it was more commonly used how i stated it on my original post. You have to remember back when the bible was first being printed in medieval Britain, there were hundreds of local dialects throughout the island. Only a few minor dialects where ever recorded, but with no firm base of language established, with a mixed bag of conquerers over the centuries, language was dilluted, wiped out, expanded or warped depending on who was ruling the area at the time. Again, there is another time and place to discuss this.
Trust me when i say, the Bible isn't a good place to look upon ancient English language, if that's how you think people spoke 500 years ago or even at the time of writing then i will be seriously worried.
The Bible has only one message but it has actually been translated into many different languages. Ancient English Language is not my first impression whenever I heard it. I believe that you can't find the old language in the Bible because it is already translated into today's languages.
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And don't forget: When One is talking About the Bible, One Must always Add Caps to random Words.
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we didn't get english from germany. germany did not even exist when english came about. it was prussia. english and german share similar roots, though.
the bible does not have one message. it's been so skewed by translations and revisions over history, you probably don't even know what anything really means, and you just listen to your priest/minister/whatever. for example, "if someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other cheek to him". way back in ancient times, if you were slapped on the right cheek, it meant you were inferior to whomever slapped you. but if he slaps you on the left cheek, he's the inferior one, so you're insulting him by not allowing him to slap your right cheek. of course, the translators didn't know this, so they derived a different meaning from it.
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Going from Dresden via Leipzig towards north-west, you pass: Sachsen (Saxony), Sachsen-Anhalt (Saxony-Anhalt), Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) -- and Angelsachsen (Anglo-Saxony). ;)
And the whole "Plattdeutsch" (Low German) language is still a mixture of several languages located around the North Sea, because sailors shared their languages a lot.
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Apropos Bible: There is a rumour that a dirty translation into english made the Reed Sea to the Red Sea. Among many more rumours.
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The Bible has only one message but it is actually been translated into many different Languages. Ancient English Language is not my first impression whenever I heard it. I believe that you can't find the old Language in the Bible because it is already translated into today's Languages.
Old King James Version uses old English, one of the more popular varieties of Bible.
And don't forget: When One is talking About the Bible, One Must always Add Caps to random Words.
No, just adding caps to "him, his, he" when talking about a member of the "Holy Trinity".
And finally, Sarras, do shut up, Germanic civilisation has been around a hell of alot longer than English, even Prussian. Longer than the Holy Roman Empire. It was Germanic peoples who sacked Rome, and they spoke a dialect not too different to modern German. Learn your Dark Ages.
Also, just because a slap on the left cheek has one meaning in one ancient civilisation, does not mean it was relevant in Roman Israel.
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english is germanic you twat
pretty much everything you just said is irrelevant and/or completely wrong. i really hope you're trolling.
watch your mouth... fingers, actually.
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Also learn how long it took to unite all the many little nations and tribes with own dialects into one "Germany". That happened very late.
And there were reasons to call it "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation"... It was a long development towards "Germany" as a wholesome country and state.