A newbie's quick hello

[derula]

A word on thou/thee discussion. English is a Germanic language. As a German, thou/thee are very easy to understand for me. Have a look:

German	Pronounciation	Ancient English	Usage
Du	Doo	Thou	Subject of a sentence
Dir	Deer	Thee	Object, "for you"
Dein	Dine	Thy	Yours, your

The analogy isn't perfect, as the German language has more forms for the word "du" than those listed above, but it helps

Also: welcome to the game!

[Dralion1221]

The analogy isn't perfect, as the German language has more forms for the word "du" than those listed above, but it helps

Whhaaatt?? Awww....that means I have to learn more words for du >.<

But 'ello and welcome to the game! I look forward to meeting your character Just look out for a little Nolthir (who I haven't played on for a while...)

[Skil Gannon]

A word on thou/thee discussion. English is a Germanic language. As a German, thou/thee are very easy to understand for me. Have a look:

German	Pronounciation	Ancient English	Usage
Du	Doo	Thou	Subject of a sentence
Dir	Deer	Thee	Object, "for you"
Dein	Dine	Thy	Yours, your

The analogy isn't perfect, as the German language has more forms for the word "du" than those listed above, but it helps

Also: welcome to the game!

Well English has a lot to thank Germany for, but don't forget the mix of French, Latin and other languages. But you are right with the German side of things. I'm glad you have added evidence to this discussion with the added Thy.

Thankyou for the welcome Derula and Sarras, keep an eye out for a non-descript bearded Ylian on UK time, which pretty much means when you're asleep and in the late morning\early afternoon time for you. Saying that, i haven't been on today...

[Gavvie Strand]

Welcome Skil (or Porkus).

[jeanlerymc]

The Bible and the 10 commandments are a translation from translated texts that have been translated from other texts that have been translated from and translated.... well you get the picture.  You have to remember that until about 200-300 years ago there was no one dialect that was singularly spoken and officially used in England. When the Bible was first printed here it was into several local dialects used here over the years and then re-translated from them again and again until the more modern English language we started to adapt today. Thee and thou meant something different than it did in the 18th\19th century than it did between the 13th and 16th century. Anyway, this isn't a theology discussion or a discussion on ancient Anglo\Latin\Etc... and their translations. Otherwise i'd be here all day.

Thee and thou can mean either you or me really, but it depended on the scribe\printer, documents record both words being used in either context. It was established though that it was more commonly used how i stated it on my original post. You have to remember back when the bible was first being printed in medieval Britain, there were hundreds of local dialects throughout the island. Only a few minor dialects where ever recorded, but with no firm base of language established, with a mixed bag of conquerers over the centuries, language was dilluted, wiped out, expanded or warped depending on who was ruling the area at the time. Again, there is another time and place to discuss this.

Trust me when i say, the Bible isn't a good place to look upon ancient English language, if that's how you think people spoke 500 years ago or even at the time of writing then i will be seriously worried.

The Bible has only one message but it has actually been translated into many different languages. Ancient English Language is not my first impression whenever I heard it. I believe that you can't find the old language in the Bible because it is already translated into today's languages.

[Dracaeon]

And don't forget: When One is talking About the Bible, One Must always Add Caps to random Words.

[Sarras Volcae]

 

we didn't get english from germany. germany did not even exist when english came about. it was prussia. english and german share similar roots, though.

the bible does not have one message. it's been so skewed by translations and revisions over history, you probably don't even know what anything really means, and you just listen to your priest/minister/whatever. for example, "if someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other cheek to him". way back in ancient times, if you were slapped on the right cheek, it meant you were inferior to whomever slapped you. but if he slaps you on the left cheek, he's the inferior one, so you're insulting him by not allowing him to slap your right cheek. of course, the translators didn't know this, so they derived a different meaning from it.

[LigH]

Going from Dresden via Leipzig towards north-west, you pass: Sachsen (Saxony), Sachsen-Anhalt (Saxony-Anhalt), Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) -- and Angelsachsen (Anglo-Saxony).

And the whole "Plattdeutsch" (Low German) language is still a mixture of several languages located around the North Sea, because sailors shared their languages a lot.
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Apropos Bible: There is a rumour that a dirty translation into english made the Reed Sea to the Red Sea. Among many more rumours.

[Xoel]

The Bible has only one message but it is actually been translated into many different Languages. Ancient English Language is not my first impression whenever I heard it. I believe that you can't find the old Language in the Bible because it is already translated into today's Languages.

Old King James Version uses old English, one of the more popular varieties of Bible.

And don't forget: When One is talking About the Bible, One Must always Add Caps to random Words.

No, just adding caps to "him, his, he" when talking about a member of the "Holy Trinity".

And finally, Sarras, do shut up, Germanic civilisation has been around a hell of alot longer than English, even Prussian. Longer than the Holy Roman Empire. It was Germanic peoples who sacked Rome, and they spoke a dialect not too different to modern German. Learn your Dark Ages.

Also, just because a slap on the left cheek has one meaning in one ancient civilisation, does not mean it was relevant in Roman Israel.

[Sarras Volcae]

english is germanic you twat

pretty much everything you just said is irrelevant and/or completely wrong. i really hope you're trolling.

watch your mouth... fingers, actually.

[LigH]

Also learn how long it took to unite all the many little nations and tribes with own dialects into one "Germany". That happened very late.

And there were reasons to call it "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation"... It was a long development towards "Germany" as a wholesome country and state.