PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Talad on June 23, 2010, 05:13:05 pm
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I was waiting to see a post on the ads we added, but since it's not coming, then I will make one :)
We are testing google ads on the main web site and forums. We tried to make them as small as possible, and less invasive as possible, so those will not disturb your PS experience. We have no idea at the moment if those are going to generate any good money, but I think we will give those a try. The money (if any) will be used to advertize more PS, to buy hardware and bandwidth when needed.
The program works in such a way that it rewards money on clicks, but they are very smart, so they really look for unique visitors each day. Also we cannot ask in any way people to click on those, or click those ourselves.
We will test those for few weeks and see if they are worth the trouble or not.
What you think of the ads? Are those bad visually? Do you think those detract from your PS experience?
Thanks.
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The ad on the page so far is small and fairly unnoticeable until you realize that Lord of the Rings MMO has nothing to do with PS. ;) Although I can understand the need to fund PS advertisement, I just hope this won't become the PS project taking one step closer to becoming a generic MMO.
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You may get a dime to a buck and a half per click.
I for one deliberately do not click on ads, but many folks do.
You may benefit more from a per-per-view type of ad arrangement given the volume of traffic you have on your site. in this case your getting paid just to show a banner.
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I say go ahead, I have adblockplus ;D
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I don't have any problem with ads on the forum pages. Ads are a necessary evil in this world.
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I want a cut of the profit.
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I didn't notice the ads until I read your post...
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I hardly noticed it in the corner until I read this. ;D
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I did actually notice the ads and at first I was going to report a bug that maybe someone possibly google has hacked our forums and placed an ad there lol.
Well anyways this can drive many issues if you advertise PS more, that means more players that means bandwidth is needed, more servers, and then PS becoming a non-fully free game no more as it will need more ads to support the players. It gets rather complicated and if you put ads up people will be wanting PS finished a lot more faster that it is at this rate, but then you could get some more devs out of the advertising, so yeah very complicated.
I don't mind ads so long as they don't go any bigger than they are, and I do not see them IG thanks.
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someone possibly google has hacked our forums and placed an ad there
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lol.
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I hardly noticed it in the corner until I read this. ;D
Same here. Certainly they are not invasive if people aren't even noticing them. ;)
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Ad very tasteful yet you may want to put it on the left side of the screen so that blind as bats, like myself. who blow up the screen size do not loose it off the right edge of the screen. That's where it was until reading this thread.
Interesting choice of ads it offered me. Nothing about gaming yet stuff that was of interest to me; so it makes me wonder if they are ip specific as opposed to the site content. It offered me a link to MySQL's home site which was immediately clicked because it was of interest not because it felt the right thing to do. ;)
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Go ahead; it will help rake in money for you guys. That means one step closer to the Hammerwielder models!!
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Ok, so I clicked on the ad, reloaded the page and click again .. like 10 times.
That should get you folks started. You should have about 5 to 10 dollars now.
Hell, if everyone went nuts and clicked them ads you might have enough cash to eat out once in a while.
Well, thats my donation to planeshift. Dont spend all in one place now.
Everyone else should do the same.
[PLEASE CHECK TALAD ANSWER IN THIS THREAD]
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Ok, so I clicked on the ad, reloaded the page and click again .. like 10 times.
That should get you folks started. You should have about 5 to 10 dollars now.
Hell, if everyone went nuts and clicked them ads you might have enough cash to eat out once in a while.
Well, thats my donation to planeshift. Dont spend all in one place now.
Everyone else should do the same.
Rigwyn has the idea, when I'm bored, I'm going to spam click ads over and over \\o//
[PLEASE CHECK TALAD ANSWER IN THIS THREAD]
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Clicking the ads multiple times in a day by the same person will cause PS to be banned by google ads program. They check for "fake" clicks, to ensure the program is useful to the companies that pay for advertizing. Thanks anyway for your support. I appreciate the fact you wanted to act in favor of PS, that's much appreciated. In addition, as part of the program, PS team is not allowed in any way to incentive ads clicking, and so we will not.
So please DO NOT click repeatedly the ads.
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So please DO NOT click repeatedly the ads.
:oops: good thing you warned me. I'll just have a system...like every time I make a post, I click an ad.
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Go ahead; it will help rake in money for you guys. That means one step closer to the Hammerwielder models!!
Where did you hear that money would have any effect on content added? I didn't think Plane Shift had hired anyone to work for them...
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So please DO NOT click repeatedly the ads.
:oops: good thing you warned me. I'll just have a system...like every time I make a post, I click an ad.
You're thick, they'll pick it up.
Go ahead; it will help rake in money for you guys. That means one step closer to the Hammerwielder models!!
Where did you hear that money would have any effect on content added? I didn't think Plane Shift had hired anyone to work for them...
It won't have an effect on content unless it's thousands of dollars for assets. What it may affect is server bandwidth, forum bandwith, and hardware on these things.
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Clicking the ads multiple times in a day by the same person will cause PS to be banned by google ads program. They check for "fake" clicks, to ensure the program is useful to the companies that pay for advertizing. Thanks anyway for your support. I appreciate the fact you wanted to act in favor of PS, that's much appreciated. In addition, as part of the program, PS team is not allowed in any way to incentive ads clicking, and so we will not.
So please DO NOT click repeatedly the ads.
Crap :@#\
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So please DO NOT click repeatedly the ads.
:oops: good thing you warned me. I'll just have a system...like every time I make a post, I click an ad.
You're thick, they'll pick it up.
I'm not exactly thick, and I stopped clicking on the link because it was that same boring "seasons trends" thing. Though, how could I not admire your blatant insult? :D
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Clicking the ads multiple times in a day by the same person will cause PS to be banned by google ads program. They check for "fake" clicks, to ensure the program is useful to the companies that pay for advertizing. Thanks anyway for your support. I appreciate the fact you wanted to act in favor of PS, that's much appreciated. In addition, as part of the program, PS team is not allowed in any way to incentive ads clicking, and so we will not.
So please DO NOT click repeatedly the ads.
Crap :@#\
Just FYI:
AdSense uses quite a lot of mechanisms to track clicks and to prevent click fraud. The obvious two are Cookies and IP addresses (I wouldn't be surprised, if they used browser fingerprinting as well). If you think now that clearing your cookies and cutting your internet connection between each click would do the trick, think again. The third big mechanism (that cannot be betrayed) to prevent click fraud is a web bug on the advertizers "thank you for your purchase page". That is, if AdSense sees a large number of banner clicks, out of which none ever makes it through a purchase, they can pretty much suspect that click fraud is going on and given the fact that there is no shortage in aspiring publishers, they can pretty much afford to kick/ban on the basis of a suspicion alone (yes, the contract, you sign as a publisher explicitly gives them the right to terminate it on whatever reason).
I would also like to note that banners are not mobs that need to be clicked to death and looted afterwards. Advertisers don't pay publishers for getting people to click on their ads (that would be completely pointless!). They pay for the referral. The goal of every banner is to produce some kind of sale out of which the click is payed.
In other words: if you want to PS to earn an honest buck, you'd have to buy something after clicking a banner. But then again, in that case you could also directly make a donation via paypal or whatever and give the PS team the full sum instead of the breadcrumbs, an advertiser would pay for a lead.
Having said all that. Good luck with AdSense on the forums, Talad. I doubt though, that it will turn into a viable source of income. The PlaneShift community has taken every attempt of inbreeding in the last couple of years ("if you don't wanna roleplay, go play somewhere else"). This is especially true for the forum which only has a couple of frequent posters/readers. You can only make money from AdSense when you have literally thousands of page impressions coming from thousands of different people (remember: each click ideally leads to a purchase. How much stuff can the few hundred PS Players possibly want to buy?).
Well, maybe that will finally lead to the insight that the "PS is only for elite roleplayers" point of view is futile ... Then again ... who am I kidding?
PS: Maybe you want to look into "project wonderful" instead of AdSense for the beginning. Their payout is crap, but unlike AdSense/Adwords you can use your earnings directly for advertizing yourself on other websites without fear of click fraud, as banners do not earn money per click but per time. Webcomics seem to make heavy use of it to shift around their readers, so I guess, while you don't make a lot of money out of it, it can at least be good for community building.
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Go ahead; it will help rake in money for you guys. That means one step closer to the Hammerwielder models!!
Where did you hear that money would have any effect on content added? I didn't think Plane Shift had hired anyone to work for them...
More money = more supplies, advanced computers, etc. Also means that PS gets money. What do you think they use it for? :P Keeping the game up, and new content.
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The PlaneShift community has taken every attempt of inbreeding in the last couple of years ("if you don't wanna roleplay, go play somewhere else").
True. PS definitely needs more grinding and duelers so that it can become a true RP game.
How nice of you to not only completely miss the point but also prove it in the most ironic way imaginable. The point was not whether or not PS needs more grinding and dueling but that the PS community has condensed itself to an elitist crowd that is outspoken, if not hostile towards anyone who does not subscribe to the "Roleplay is holy" mantra.
It is this dimwitted point of view, which you demonstrate so admirably that keeps the community small. Unfortunately, when you try to finance something through advertisement, you have to seek strength in numbers. Limiting yourself to just one acceptable play style already means doing something wrong. Those people that you turn away because they are not good enough in your opinion are also those people who will never click an ad (think about it, it really is no rocket science).
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i dont use google so it doesnt matter to me >.>
put this on bing and we might get somwhere.
MORE PEOPLE SHOULD USE BING, ITS GOT PRETTY PICTURES :3
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Project wonderful looks like a better idea, since it has the option to trade advertisement space, allowing Plane Shift to be advertised on other sites while it advertises them.
More money = more supplies, advanced computers, etc. Also means that PS gets money. What do you think they use it for? :P Keeping the game up, and new content.
:[ No, there's just a correlation; the only game-improvement causation is when they get around $800+ for another testing computer, which might take care of some bugs for some people. If your talking about content, that would require hiring or supporting someone to do it; buying the time of programmers and artists. These ads will probably make under $100 dollars. Or nothing at all, considering the minimal traffic the site gets.
So although it doesn't do anything to improve the game, it does make it less likely we will lose server space or bandwidth.
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The PlaneShift community has taken every attempt of inbreeding in the last couple of years ("if you don't wanna roleplay, go play somewhere else").
True. PS definitely needs more grinding and duelers so that it can become a true RP game.
How nice of you to not only completely miss the point but also prove it in the most ironic way imaginable. The point was not whether or not PS needs more grinding and dueling but that the PS community has condensed itself to an elitist crowd that is outspoken, if not hostile towards anyone who does not subscribe to the "Roleplay is holy" mantra.
It is this dimwitted point of view, which you demonstrate so admirably that keeps the community small. Unfortunately, when you try to finance something through advertisement, you have to seek strength in numbers. Limiting yourself to just one acceptable play style already means doing something wrong. Those people that you turn away because they are not good enough in your opinion are also those people who will never click an ad (think about it, it really is no rocket science).
I think what's overly hilarious is that the mentality that you think is here and voiced by "Mind's Eye Collective" has sort of moved away over the past few months in reaction to moves by the PS development team to "mainstream" gameplay and playstyle (not necessarily a good thing).
To be honest, I'd rather the RolePlay server be a fair amount stricter. We have a non-roleplay server, let those that don't want to abide by some fairly common-sense rules go there. Also, there is nothing wrong with creating a game to suit only a particular niche. Especially when it is non-commercial. Too many games these days are overly generic to make money from Mr. Average, it's nice that a game like PlaneShift retains at least some form of particular individuality.
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Your conversation is a sad one, and you should probably feel sad for having it. You aught to keep this in the complaints thread made for it.
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I think what's overly hilarious is that the mentality that you think is here and voiced by "Mind's Eye Collective" has sort of moved away over the past few months in reaction to moves by the PS development team to "mainstream" gameplay and playstyle (not necessarily a good thing).
To be honest, I'd rather the RolePlay server be a fair amount stricter. We have a non-roleplay server, let those that don't want to abide by some fairly common-sense rules go there. Also, there is nothing wrong with creating a game to suit only a particular niche. Especially when it is non-commercial. Too many games these days are overly generic to make money from Mr. Average, it's nice that a game like PlaneShift retains at least some form of particular individuality.
Just out of curiosity: Which part of "elitism creates small communities, but advertisement requires large audiences" was too hard for you to understand?
It may be that the devs finally saw reason and stopped catering to the whims of the RP purists. It may also be that the community has become a bit more open minded in the last few months the mentality slowly started to shifted a bit. But then again, there are posters like you, who are too thick to get it, aren't they?
Your second paragraph speaks volumes, concerning your mindset. Your disregard for those "lesser" players that may go elsewhere is exactly the attitude that harms and has been harming this game for years. The outlook of running into discussions with bullheads like you, who do not have the faintest clue of what they are discussing at all, but nevertheless feel a strong urge to argue their point, is exactly what makes people not want to go to the forums in the first place.
Congratulations! You honestly earned yourself the title "Liability"!
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Regarding the stupid comment about elitism shrinking the player pool:
Why have any rules at all. Why not get rid of all the rules. Rules are oppressive.
With no rules for rp, it would be very easy. No matter what you say, it would be legitimate - so everyone could be included. Wouldn't that be great ?
the community would flourish and everyone would want to rp on planeshift - or just be themselves.. or just grine or whatever..
It would be legitimate to use leet speak, Spanish, German, and Dutch in main.
It would be cool to talk about your favorite bands, what you did last night, or to just jabber about what you're doing at the moment.
Regarding the comments about elitism, there are rules for a reason, and certain level of competence needs to be enforced in order for the game to be fun.
Back on topic.
Regarding clicking on ads, I was being ... *SARCASTIC* when I suggested on abusing the system by clicking on the ads.
Jeez .. learn to detect sarcasm..
The ads are there to be clicked on by US, the viewers. They are not there to decorate the page ... DUH!
The owner of the site is not allowed to promote clicking on the ads per his agreement with google ads. If Google sees that people are clicking ads just to milk the system, then yes, they can kick ps from the program.
This is one more reason to go with a pay-per-show type of arrangement.
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Well isn't this just the way of the forums right now... Derailing on topics that are not only irrelevant in the thread but also in the game. Just as a note for anyone that hasn't played the game yet but it getting bad vibes from the thread, the elitist RPers abandoned this game long ago like history buffs that got sent back in time to the titanic. ;D :offtopic:
Now to get on topic.
Talad, although I can see the benefit of raising money for advertising, I think that plenty of people are actually coming in contact with the game as it is. There are always new names in game and on the forums and to be honest, most new players start out playing only one character regularly. Although numbers are low, I don't think it's because of a lack of enough players but because of a tainted atmosphere. Partially displayed in this thread... I think getting the in game community more used to interacting and getting the forum community to be nicer within itself would do way more good as fewer people would get scared off. Attracting new people only to have them get run off is not very helpful. ;)
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By now Talad should have a mild idea of how much money it makes, and can decide to switch to a different kind of ad deal or remove them completely. I still think the advertising trade off would be more valuable right now than the money maker.
Remember not to consider the forum community and the game community different. There are only a handful that inhabit just one... You aught to be back on topic for the entire time after your bolded words.
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It is on topic. It's exactly what I think of the ads. I think ads for advertising are a bit of wasted effort as people are coming into the game. We are even getting RPers as new players. :o
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You broke the link to "advertising" in the second sentence of your second paragraph. Since you hate getting and staying off topic, why do you do it so much?
What do you mean by "wasted effort" when it only requires they be imbedded into the page? Why do you infer that the ads are going to get people into the game?
(It's like an extension.)
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We are testing google ads on the main web site and forums.
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The money (if any) will be used to advertize more PS, to buy hardware and bandwidth when needed.
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No Nivm, you apparently missed part of the initial post. I went back and got the relevant parts. Everything I said is tied to this. And on the off topic thing, I explained to you already all of that. I ignore off topic all the time. What I stop are the potentially topic derailing comments that can lead to getting a thread locked.
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Illysia, I think this is Nivm's way of saying he likes you. ;D
bow chika wow wow
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I still don't see how it links up, especially because you already made a reply to that. I'll check again after a few days.
I can't like anyone the way you're thinking, Blooded. But to my way, yes. We had one of those PM conversations that could be called flaming (but would better be described as a duel of patience and coherency), and that was kinda fun. She has a typing impairment injury, so it's paused right now.
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Yes, nearly giving myself a bad case of carpal tunnel from arguing on the forums is not cool, so I won't be going into any long explanation.
*several people breath a sigh of relief*
But it links up as a cause and effect. Cause: Low player count/ low number count of people on the team, Effect: Something needs to be done to reverse that state. That would imply the next cause and effect chain, Cause: Ads introduced to generate money for ads and bandwidth expansion, effect: more people would know to come along and infrastructure can be put in to support them. And that leads to some other chains. However, I don't think more advertising is needed. I think the problem is keeping players in the game after they come.
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Hrm not sure what to think......If it helps fund PS thats good. Not so fond of ads though.
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My first thought, upon seeing the ads, was: "Google AdSense is not the most clever way to monetize your website."
However, despite cheapening the look of a page, I really don't care if there are ads. You want a few extra cents in your PayPal, good for you.
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My friend and I had ads on a website, and we made a sitecrawler that clicked a link on each page and used proxies to make them seem like a unique visitor.
Our account was closed and we were banned from Google Adsense for ad fraud. We should've had about 400 dollars for each week we had the ads up.
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My approach is to check them each day and if there is something that genuinely gets my attention to visit the site and give it a moment by checking out a few pages or starting a download of the demo they may have. After doing that a bit you will likely notice that more relevant ads will begin to appear which meet your tastes and the whole experience can be a good one for all involved and not simply a chore or mini-fraud to the advertiser. The ads seem weighted more on the user's preferences than the hosting site's content.
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