PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dannae on November 23, 2010, 07:37:30 pm
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Guessing I already know what the most popular answer will be, if most of you vote honestly, but, let's find out.
I'm interested in learning how much the channels and alliance and other ooc chat tabs effect RP. I have a suspicion more "players" are here to chat than RP, or seem to get more enjoyment from it than from the game itself. If that turns out to be true, then it's an indication that RP might be becoming less popular, even here on the RP server. If there were no ooc chat, other than RP related, would players actually spend more time playing than chatting, or would even more players leave the game because it's not fun enough to only RP?
Personally, I prefer to stay out of ooc chat tabs because I love RP to the extent that I attempt to fully immerse myself into the settings and my character's situations. When I do look, the silliness I normally see going on there takes away my concentration and immersion in the game, although, I do once in a while find it a welcome diversion while training skills.
Why am I here?
Exploring emotional situations and interpersonal relationships is what I enjoy most from RP as I'm sure many who know me already realize. As I've experienced with some other players, this kind of immersive RP can literally lead to bringing a tear to your eye or heartfelt laughter and many other emotions in probably much the same way a film scene can cause an emotional reaction or an actor might work up emotion to portray their role convincingly.
Well, that explains what I love about this game and why I'm here. Am I one of a few? Now, what about you?
I'm so curious!
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RP is the primary draw to me. There are games with much better mechanics, and if I want to while away time with chat, well, that's why I have AIM, Facebook, and a cellphone. There's something extremely intellectually and emotionally satisfying about good RP, and I'm willing to tolerate the (many!) things I don't like about PS because there are a lot of good RPers on my buddy list.
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I wont say I don't chat here, but I "chat" with friends at the club in RL aswell. I don't go to the club to chat as my first reason though.
Infact I often am really slow in guild or alliancechat becuase when I'm roleplaying that has priority.
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i voted for the last option.
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Interesting thread Dannae!
Personally, my reasons for being here are for multiple voting choices; and perhaps for other reasons not listed.
First with the voting reasons....
RP
The immersive nature PS RP was my first hook. Over time, this was lost to me somewhat; mostly due to the ooc chat tabs (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37853.0). The /away command worked to keep ooc tells (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37679.msg429774;topicseen#msg429774) away for the time leading up to joining a guild. Once in a guild; and one that supports very strongly RP; it was like swimming against the tide.
To be fair the ooc chat tabs (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37853.0) have many pluses to them. It is not my intention to suggest that they should be removed. My suggestion mostly concerned the ability of a user to be able to turn them totally off; and not left dripping like a leaking tap.
PL
My background is based heavily in rpg; so character development and role development are not seen to be in conflict. In my own head, at least, the PLing is done IC as much a possible and will be readily put on hold should RP happen my way.
Dueling/Fight RP
Hardware restrictions offer me a disadvantage to Duelling; however my rpg background was no doubt driven by my love of dice. Without rpg you would probably find me these days sipping on a drink while hanging on a craps table in Vegas.
Even with the hardware limitations, my character has been involved in three or four PvPs and a number of friendly duelling practises.
My preferred mode of RP combat is to use a simple 1d6 approach (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37719.0).
Work ins under way in the The Cooperative Plot Creation Project (http://trollkeep.com/PS) to offer a modified combat results (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=38325.msg438183#msg438183) which takes into account the armour, weapon, strength, ability and luck of the respective characters.
OOC Chat
Gritting my teeth, the OOC Chats have come to be seen as a wide funnel that brings many styles, preferences, conceptions. teachings and players to a meeting point in game under the best scenario. In my opinion a real OPT OUT is needed in the player's client configuration. That way the OOC Chats can bring all the positives that it does to the game without affecting those who seek total immersion.
To sit on someone's head
My rule of thumb has been to keep things PG13. :innocent:
I don't actually play the game anymore, but I do still troll the forums for it.
My play has slowed a bit due to hobby time also going towards working on The Cooperative Plot Creation Project (http://trollkeep.com/PS); yet it would still fall into a active category. This still leaves time to troll the forums; so they are not mutually exclusive. ;)
Obviously there is no way to express the thoughts of this posting to a simple one choice vote.
- Nova
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The most interesting players are those who won't take this poll... ;)
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i'm here for rp, but that doesn't mean i won't play the game. i have to level up to match my character. and i like the ooc chat, because it's opt-in, and it can be helpful when you need to find rp (or spoilers!), and it's entertaining when you're bored.
also, i think roleplaying is for nerds, so it's saying a lot that i keep playing this game! my favorite part of rp are the adventures and teh lols. :D
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i like the ooc chat, because it's opt-in, and it can be helpful when you need to find rp (or spoilers!) or entertaining when you're bored.
It is not totally opt-in, Sarras, and won't be until it stops filling up your logs.
- Nova
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darn, you quoted my grammatically incorrect sentence before i could fix it...
and, yeah, it is opt-in. by ooc chat i guess we mean gossip. noobs have to use /join 1.
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Many guilds allow OOC chat in guild and alliance channels.
- Nova
[ Edit spelling :) ]
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To RP of course. Why else would I even step a character foot in Planeshift?
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Hmmm, so far looks like my guess was completely wrong according to the poll results so far. :-[
I know most of us are here for many reasons..too many to include in a poll, I'd just hoped to find the most important one if you had to pick just one.
Also, I like reading about other's reasons for playing if they care to expand on a poll choice along with a reply.
@ Ruya, I couldn't agree more!
Finally, how did someone else add that last choice to my poll???
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Finally, how did someone else add that last choice to my poll???
that was me.
my question is how did a regular forum user get access to start polls? as, the only people that should have rights to do that are people like me. mysteries!
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Probably by clicking (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/Themes/PlaneShift/images/english/new_poll.gif) (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?action=post;board=13.0;poll) in General Discussion (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?board=13.0).
If this forum / user group has wrong permissions, blame the admin?!
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Come on, Ruya… you'll miss our OOC chats in Alliance now that Mish is in The Warriors! Recognize it!
Okay, my two circles… (/me is rich, hehe…)
I'm here to RP. Yeah, who could guess? I'm the one chatting OOCly whenever I can, because PLing my needed skills is way tooooo boring when you're alone. If I'm not chatting, I take a break and go find a good RP to distract my mind.
Kisoji taught me to RP according to my skills and stats, and so I did. I maxed my stats (RP stats are somehow lower), I'm training swords and medium armor, mastering Red Way and learning Crystal Way. Mishka is a weapon smith. I'm making her learn axe making, knife making, sword making, blacksmith and metallurgy, because I want her to be one of the best blacksmiths around here. It's all for RP.
Those who have RPed with me know my style: I never over-level (if I can use that word, lol) Mishka. At least, not anymore. For example: Ditem's RP. Ditem is a new character. Mishka could beat him in 0.1 seconds using magic and/or weapons (mechanics-wise). But he's, RPing, a master of Red, Dark, and Azure Way. That pisses me off A LOT. So, someone who didn't spent his time leveling comes and I have to make Mishka /die when he attacks her? I do it for the sake of RP and because now it's too big for me to drop it. But next time I find someone doing that, oh, boy, I'll beat your arse.
I'm not defending mechanics!! Just saying that you can't draw a houseplan if you don't learn first how to draw. Is this understandable? You spend your money studying, buying materials, etc… why can't PS be the same thing? I know, I know… it's a happy world where you have a good time. But I find the same pleasure going on an unplanned raid to hunt ulbernauts or tefusangs, using game mechanics, that I do when I enter the red Crystal Den, buy a liquor, and enjoy a good conversation.
And I picked sitting on someone's head ;D
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Hmm, I was fully expecting Esorono to pick that...
Anyway, I'm one of the many or so that picked RPing, because, that is literally all that I do now. OOC chats have reached a zero on my list, and I don't have tendencies to sit on peoples heads......
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Well I play for more reasons then one..
But RP is one of two things keeping me drawn to the game.
I love RP, be it fighting RP style, which, im new at honestly, people never actually wanted to do anything other then duel back in the old days. Or chatting in a bar, I enjoy it all. I'm always learning somthing new about Rp, and it keeps me drawn to PS, I guess you may have known that already, Dannae.
I also stick Around as I have a responsibility to my guild...
Btw, that vote, To sit on sombodies head. I think you got that from me sitting on lilura for scaring teshia >.>
Anyways, call me a nerd for loving RP, I dont care, just remember, IRL I could kick any of yall's ass :)
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Probably by clicking (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/Themes/PlaneShift/images/english/new_poll.gif) (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?action=post;board=13.0;poll) in General Discussion (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?board=13.0).
If this forum / user group has wrong permissions, blame the admin?!
Finally, how did someone else add that last choice to my poll???
that was me.
my question is how did a regular forum user get access to start polls? as, the only people that should have rights to do that are people like me. mysteries!
Meanwhile, in Neko's computer chair:
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af128/thephantomcamera/13Gha.png?t=1290643117)
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Seems like Sen was right (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=38483.msg438142#msg438142). Also, RP ftw.
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This is an encouraging thread! \\o//
I appreciate the description of the surprise of emotional commitment to the action of our characters. Certainly a reason I play, even when I really REALLY should be working or doing schoolwork, is the surprise of playing with others, the deepening back story from conversations AND 'dramatic' events, and the challenge of trying to stay in settings ~ (in my case usually to REMEMBER settings, 'cause I forget a lot of stuff... synapse overload) and apply settings to solving rp dilemmas, like, how to most appropriately heal injuries, how to react to characters in crisis, and (OOCly as a player) to simultaneously try to think of my characters actions as involving and needing the other players' characters who are there.
That's a run on sentence but you get it, eh? ;D
Let me add that as a suggestion for me to remember, and perhaps for you to use too, as many of you/us already do. When you act, ask the others around you to help if your character would do that! It doesn't have to be a big deal, but sometimes just the opening of the invitation is enough for newer or shyer rpers to dive in, and fear less for mistakes, and more for being committed to the reality of the scene happening.
Thanks for this poll! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Yers,
Roled
:woot:
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I voted RP. But anyone who knows me in game, knows I probably spend about as much time PLing, Chatting and Duelling as I do in complex roleplays. I joined the game with a friend, and honestly, spent a lot of time on my own at first, too shy to really talk to people much. Then I found a large group of people to interact with, and honestly, I cannot join the game without there being someone to RP with. It's totally awesome. This past week, almost once a day I've had to turn down groffels with RP invites because I was already involved in one or two others. When people come here or in gossip and ask "where's all the RP?" I have to wonder how they can't see it. I haven't had a chance to level anything in a while because of all the RP. \\o//
One thing about the OOC chatter... Some people are faster RPers than others. I'm sure we've all experienced role playing with someone who just seems to creeeeeeeep along with their lines, but if they have really good lines, it's worth it to wait. For me, I have a short attention span. If the lines take more than about a minute between replies, I can guarantee you, I'm poking about at something else on my computer, or rearranging my inventory, or doing something just to occupy the dead time. This is where gossip and guildchat and /tells come in for me. I LOVE having the gossip channel there for random, inane chatter when a RP is moving slowly. The only time it ever bothers me is when I get flooded with 4-5 different people in /tells during an indepth RP. I hate letting people feel like I am ignoring them... be it main or in /tells.
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There's no such thing as PLing when you RP. "PLing" is called training IG, if you RP it as a complement of your character. Just because some people are frustrated with their lack of patience to train their characters appropriately doesn't mean the rest must feel guilty for it.
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No, it isn't about patience, it is about actually having time in our life to sit in front of a computer all day trying to level. I would rather spend the little time I have roleplaying. But I agree, if you are still roleplaying as you train, then I wouldn't exactly call in PLing, I would call it RPPLing. BUT...the many people we see on the RP server who are arena and stock zombies that never even RP get on my nerves. They shouldn't be on the RP server. They should be on Ezpcusa. The problem is that there aren't enough GM's to monitor if a person RP's or not. Though now I'm spewing out a repeated problem that hasn't been fixed, so I'll stop here.
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I would have to say that I can't think of anyone on Zeroping who just levels and never RPs. I can think of a lot of people who spend a lot of time at the forge, or anvil or in the arena but I have also seen lots of time when those same people have been involved in RPs.
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Thank you Sarva. I'd say that I'm here to RP, but at the same time, I do train in swords and armour and magic, and I do setup my merchant shop(Which some people have said is PLing :p) I can not simply just vote for 1 of the things though. Sorry. If anything I'd vote for staying in the game for my guilds and my friends, so that should really be one of the choices.
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I'm playing because I have no one to talk to IRL while on the other hand I keep coming up with these stories about singing elves, lying merchants, stupid couriers and cooking cats. What option am I going to choose? I think I'll go with RP.
(also dead witches and smart children of said stupid couriers, but that's stories yet untold)
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I play to progress my character, and it's a lot more fun to do so in character. I only have my character do things my character would do, and I picked my skills carefully to fit the concept. I speak in character, but you won't find me devoting too much time to pure acting, like pretending to eat at a bar or something. I'll RP from quest to quest, RP any circumstantial fellow adventurer dialogue, and whatnot, but RP for the sake of RP isn't really for me. The G in RPG is still the most important of the three letters. I don't really go for PVP of either variety, but given the option of using the fruits of my hard work or just pretending, I'd choose the former. I'm not sure what I'd do if someone came up behind me and typed: "/me swings a sword at...". There's a very focused sort of RP that I'm into, letting the game do everything the game can do, and using the dialogue box to talk like my character would, but without a lot of the flowery garnishing.
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I'm not sure what I'd do if someone came up behind me and typed: "/me swings a sword at...".
Roleplaying fights is an interesting concept, probably already an advanced form: It is quite instructive, both avoiding godmodding and considering imperfection (eventually even surrender).
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I'm not sure what exactly to pick here, the reason for me to play has changed through time more than once. I started just looking for another game, i was frustrated by the amount of time other games required to level your character and how games lost their charm after a while. Never having been in a real RP game before, when i created Chessire i had realised i'd have to play out that character so i picked something i thought i'd be able to perform according to things i had in my head. I actually used to be insecure (maybe still am) of how i'd play out and especially combat. This was the true reason i made such a martial character, as well as the fact it was the most i expected form a game... isn't it true most MMOs are made to involve fighting all the time?
I did realise there were much better things to find of course :P
My RL behavior is nowhere near to the things Chessire does; i can safely say now PS changed me in RL by having me see things i could potentially be or do. The fact i'm able to play out something means i could BE that after all. And the fact anything can happen and be just a lie makes RPers feel safe. You may play afraid or play angry or hurt but as long as the person behind the char sees things clearly there is no danger because nothing is real. Here, you may even die.
And then i found out it is also possible to feel things for real through your character... you helped me too with that, Dannae. I admit it was hard for me to keep track of what's IC and what's OOC at that point.
I have now made another character that is also a female and i'm going to try have her involved much less with combat although she's not going to be an ordinary person, definitely... and we'll see. Its proving to be challenging :P Thus, i put RP as my reason.
PS: OOC chats? Let them burn in hell!!!
Well, maybe keep just one.
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@ Ruya, Tessra, Roled, Earowo, Novacadian, Sarras, Mishka, Dracaeon, Sangwa, Mekora, Garile, Everybody:
I've really enjoyed reading about all the reasons some of you who took the time to write have given for playing. I found some to be quite revealing or eye opening.
Thanks for allowing me and others get a glimpse to your thinking. \\o//
@ Chessire: i found out it is also possible to feel things for real through your character... you helped me too with that, Dannae.
What can I say Chess... that is without a doubt one of the best compliments I could ever imagine and really made my day! :love:
@ Derula: Too funny!! And I owe you much for making Dannae's in-game art possible.
Some others have talked about progression of their characters so thought I'd expand on mine as well. When I made Dannae 27 months ago, I had no idea what RP even was. After 3 months of almost nothing but questing and training, and after completing some goals I'd set for myself, I began losing interest. Then I discovered RP and was hooked. Perhaps by destiny, Dannae met the character Lhaa when she first was granted the Red Crystal Den as well as the character Siteya, guild leader of DOX at the time. These were some of the first very influential RP players whom I learned from and lead to Dannae's current place.
Of course, not understanding RP at the beginning has also lead to character flaws such as no back story other than the lame amnesia thing. I'm hoping to create one in an interesting way that will include others through clues to discovering her past. Some players have found and pointed out the first of these to her now and she needs to follow up. When I figure out what her past was, I intend to make many more clues to solving it that hopefully might be fun for other players who become involved.
I'm really glad this thread didn't turn into another discussion over what RP is or isn't as I only wanted to hopefully get an idea what others liked best about PS. I also hoped to find out what percentage of players liked things other than RP best. So far, not including those who no longer play, the poll shows:
30 votes for RP
16 votes for other
I have a request for those players who enjoy RP, but spend 30% or more of their time joking around ooc. I'd love to see more joking around from your character in an ic way where it makes sense and think it could lead to just as much fun. It's rare to find funny in-game characters. RP doesn't need to be serious stuff all the time.
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When I made Dannae 27 months ago, I had no idea what RP even was. After 3 months of almost nothing but questing and training, and after completing some goals I'd set for myself, I began losing interest. Then I discovered RP and was hooked
Right, That sounds like my old problem a bit...Old Gm's like Tazen and Pizik, know how it was..But back when i first started, Around march 2009 or 08 cant remember. I was pretty much all by myself, nobody to do anything with other then my dad, who doesnt play anymore..The first person I ever met was Seneyarau, he was just sombody to sell weapons too, but he became a good friend, i was known as an annoyance back then, as i basically 'fell into the wrong crowd' as the secnd person i ever met was asiliy, which looking back on it today, she was an ooc troll, i didnt think about it then, i didnt really learn about RP until i was put in charge of my guild, and its a big part of me now, i love talking to new people, Rp'ing with them, and even teaching people how to do it, within guidlines and such...
[edit: Quote is screwy >.>
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i'm as i call myself a half breed to ps, i rp + pl so i don't stick to either side fully but i get on, see if theres anything to do and then go from there.
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Dannae!
Great question...I am so new to RP, but thus far have really enjoyed it and find that it causes me to look at some of my own personal quirks in ways that I might otherwise be able to avoid.
For instance, I enjoy the world of PS and the freedom to roam and explore but sometimes I'm not in the mood to interact in RP but wish to wander, ask NPCs what I can and find books to read. I have worked on some PL too, but mostly so that I won't be a victim (if that's possible in PS) and so that I can heal. Otherwise I usually look forward to running into a player that I have "met" in PS or to meeting new characters. I usually ask a lot of questions of other characters, trying to get a handle on just who they are and how they think...
I find that friendships among characters can be simple most of the time, but as in RL, there are some who are just not interested in being friendly. That is fine too, and makes the experience more realistic.
I have only been here a short while, so I have not knowingly formed any alliances that may work against each other and therefore my character. But, that too is like real life and being "the new kid in town". In time I hope to remember other characters more readily (looking the same can make it hard at first!) and keep our history more intact!
All in all, I would say I am here for the RP and have been more than pleasantly surprised at just how civil and generous other RPers have been. This is an amazing medium through which to explore interpersonal relationships "virtuallly".
Thanks for the question Dannae, and the friendship ;)
Helewisa
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@ Derula: Too funny!! And I owe you much for making Dannae's in-game art possible.
Eh. I guess my post would be funny if it wasn't true ;)
You owe me nothing though, to see Dannae's art totally made up for the work I had with the script (which was fun anyway :P)
Of course, not understanding RP at the beginning has also lead to character flaws such as no back story other than the lame amnesia thing.
I actually did have a back story that didn't involve amnesia when I first created Jamona. However, it was slightly out of settings. But it worked well, actually, I just had to cut the bits where Jamona was supposed to have blue skin and was levitating instead of walking. xD
What's also interesting is that I managed to implement the Ring of the Past I got from MB->CB update into her back story.
/me wants Molecular Blue back ;)
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In time I hope to remember other characters more readily (looking the same can make it hard at first!) and keep our history more intact!
The Buddy's List can be helpful of keeping track of who you have and have not met before.
- Nova
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Please note I haven't read a thing in this Poll thread.
But here goes, It's obvious people will vote RP because they don't want to say the truth, I mean really if people were being honest they would vote PLing, because there are far more PLers in PS than RPers, in my own opinion.
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Please note I haven't read a thing in this Poll thread.
But here goes, It's obvious people will vote RP because they don't want to say the truth, I mean really if people were being honest they would vote PLing, because there are far more PLers in PS than RPers, in my own opinion.
From having followed this thread, it appeared to me that a majority of players professed to being both RP and PLers. It is my opinion that a distinction between RP and PL is more blurred to the newer PS generation of players; yet that may be just my own perspective.
- Nova
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Almost everyone in the RP servers is actually a RPer (i.e. If you engage their character they speak IC rather than OOC). PLing doesn't exclude RP altogether, it just means leveling a whole lot, which is actually necessary if you're playing some kinds of characters (Warriors. miners, etc.) It's people who make believe their characters is a great warrior without having leveled which aren't RPing properly.
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The sitting on people's head seems like it was directed at me for some reason. ;D
But the real reason I play is for roleplaying. Mechanics are not good at all I have to admit.
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From having followed this thread, it appeared to me that a majority of players professed to being both RP and PLers. It is my opinion that a distinction between RP and PL is more blurred to the newer PS generation of players; yet that may be just my own perspective.
Its pretty much always been like that. The roleplayers sneak away to do some leveling, but they have really good excuses for it. The powerlevelers roleplay here and there, so long as they are not observed by the other powerlevelers. This issue has always been a red herring in this community. Its silly.
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Please note I haven't read a thing in this Poll thread.
But here goes, It's obvious people will vote RP because they don't want to say the truth, I mean really if people were being honest they would vote PLing, because there are far more PLers in PS than RPers, in my own opinion.
vakachek dont base things on things you dont know, I'll bet most of the people who have commented here so far, you have no idea who they are IG or IRL.
Its not their fualt, that your in the wrong place at the wrong time, stop hanging around Oja and being banned, and you'll find more RP then you think you can.
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It also helps if you're not being a snob.
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I was an unhealthy mix of both once upon a time...
Now I'm just a forum stalker, and let me tell you; I c wut u did thar.
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/me heartily agrees with Sangwa.
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Please note I haven't read a thing in this Poll thread.
But here goes, It's obvious people will vote RP because they don't want to say the truth, I mean really if people were being honest they would vote PLing, because there are far more PLers in PS than RPers, in my own opinion.
vakachek dont base things on things you dont know, I'll bet most of the people who have commented here so far, you have no idea who they are IG or IRL.
Its not their fualt, that your in the wrong place at the wrong time, stop hanging around Oja and being banned, and you'll find more RP then you think you can.
Lol I hardly hang around Oja when IG. Just so you know I said "Please note I haven't read a thing in this poll thread." But I know the amount of RP in PlaneShift is crap that is why so many RPers are leaving, like Illysia.
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Meanwhile, in Neko's computer chair:
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af128/thephantomcamera/13Gha.png?t=1290643117)
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss203/Phoenix_sensei/tumblr_latbey9Dam1qcr66k.gif?t=1290650124)
This one looks better.
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Please note I haven't read a thing in this Poll thread.
But here goes, It's obvious people will vote RP because they don't want to say the truth, I mean really if people were being honest they would vote PLing, because there are far more PLers in PS than RPers, in my own opinion.
vakachek dont base things on things you dont know, I'll bet most of the people who have commented here so far, you have no idea who they are IG or IRL.
Its not their fualt, that your in the wrong place at the wrong time, stop hanging around Oja and being banned, and you'll find more RP then you think you can.
Lol I hardly hang around Oja when IG. Just so you know I said "Please note I haven't read a thing in this poll thread." But I know the amount of RP in PlaneShift is crap that is why so many RPers are leaving, like Illysia.
yet notice how she still hangs around the forum, i feel that all forum trolls, stick around simply to rejoin PS whenever they feel the need to strike again. And if you think the RP is crap, you really have not looked around enough, i find it everywhere, i often start it, since i say hi to everyone i see.... So again, dont say anything, if you dont know what your talking about
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I don't think the problem is a lack of roleplaying. It's just that everyone thinks roleplaying is something different. What is it? Is it just being in character? If that's the case, RP saturation is near 100%. Almost everyone at least answers questions in character. Very rare is the real-world reference in day to day conversation in game. Is roleplaying going to the tavern and pretending to be lovers in the bedroom? Is it hours of high school theater class in the town square? Is true RP something that removes the "G" entirely from the RPG experience? Where the ideal Planeshift experience is one that could be mirrored with no loss on an MSN messenger chat? I don't think "Roleplaying" is turning every character statement into a chapter of Lord of the Rings, with more exposition than a Stephen King novel. Sometimes, people just talk normally. This is just as in character as anything. I think the problem is an infinite spectrum of "what roleplaying is" and the people leaving might not be able to meet their own definition in game. Everyone they leave behind believes they're roleplaying though, and that can't be taken away.
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Amen
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... i often start it, since i say hi to everyone i see.... So again, dont say anything, if you dont know what your talking about
Lol I consider "Hi" OOC since we are a medieval game... The response to "Hi" back then would be like "Excuse me, what did you say?"
I'm not a troll I am just stating what I think, seriously who would say they are a PLer and be on the RP server, that's just stupid. So I am saying some people aren't being honest, when I know there are some people who really don't play to RP they play to get the next level in Axes.
... Is true RP something that removes the "G" entirely from the RPG experience? ...
You see back when RP was a very common thing in games, RP was a game, because people found RP fun and enjoyable, I reckon it's because there was so much of it, you look at Dannae someone who just about only RPs I bet she finds that RP is fun and so the game is about RP. What I am trying to say is that the game should be about RolePlaying, everything you do is to do with RP.
Before we get into to much detail about RP it is simple 'acting' and your set is 'Yliakum'. Whatever is in Yliakum is what you use in your 'act' for example: Yliakum is medieval so you must 'act' medieval, so you don't say "hi" you say "Greetings" and whatnot...
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It's more of the Renaissance age than medieval. And that doesn't mean we are on Earth either. And using that logic the speech would be too confusing for people since English has changed dramatically over the years.
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Good points on the "Hi" bits, but here's something to think about. Medieval people didn't typically give over the top greetings either. They were you and I, and they were just casual people trying to fit in. I imagine they, in their olde (insert language here) said the translation of "hello" in a slang that nobles probably wouldn't use. My next question isn't sarcasm or anything - just a real question: Can you think of the right way to say hi as an average Joe in the world? Because what seems horribly fake to you when you read "Hi" seems much more normal to me than, "Hail and greetings to you, stranger. I am Zuccabar Haliburton, a fine smith if ever you met one. And who might you be?" You see - nobody talks like that. Doesn't anyone just shake hands, say hi, and have a beer? I know a beer sounds damn good right now.
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Hate to break this to you Vaka but I have seen Dannae out there grinding on some mobs a pretty good number of times. She is getting up there in her sword, melee and heavy Armor skills.
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But her majority of playing is RP not PLing, and if she is grinding it would be for RP.
@Everybody (not everyone the account name ;) ) Well I would expect "Hello" or "Greetings", to me "Hi" is OOC because I believe that nobody back then would of known that word. But in any aspect of seeing someone say "Hi" would be maybe someone who has just finished work and is very tired and is kinda like "Hi" *Roll eyes, walk to bed* type thing, but I think that the word "Hi" wasn't around back then, along with words such as "wasn't", "weren't", "we've" etc (Sorry forgot the names of those type of words)
It's more of the Renaissance age than medieval. And that doesn't mean we are on Earth either. And using that logic the speech would be too confusing for people since English has changed dramatically over the years.
English hasn't changed so dramatically that we can't even try to say words that haven't been cut down to be shorter to say. Renaissance age and Medieval age is probably not that different.
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vakachehk, you want to speak old english? that's what was spoken in medieval times. here's an example:
http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/texts/a4.1.html
yeah, that's what i thought. ;D
and all your grinding should be for roleplay purposes, vakachehk. this is an actual roleplaying game. thus, just about everything you do is for the sake of roleplaying. i PL so i can realistically roleplay my character. so does dannae.
ignorance is bliss. ;)
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Hmmm, so far looks like my guess was completely wrong according to the poll results so far. :-[
I know most of us are here for many reasons..too many to include in a poll, I'd just hoped to find the most important one if you had to pick just one.
Also, I like reading about other's reasons for playing if they care to expand on a poll choice along with a reply.
@ Ruya, I couldn't agree more!
Finally, how did someone else add that last choice to my poll???
I guess it would be the RPing that keeps me going, or in my case the concept, and interactions that make it what it can be. I go way back to the old dungeons and dragons days ( hate to show my age) and found that I missed the fellowship and interactions that the games had created , when I found Planeshift a few years back I knew I found my home once again, and though I still struggle with RPing I know in time my er, ah? umm , my confidence? yea my confidence will grow to the point where I can interact without feeling like I'm constantly falling on my face
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i always feel like i'm falling on my face when i roleplay :-[ at least i'm not the only one X-/
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Vakchek, you need to stop taking things, so to the specifics, becuase thats not how people generally talk, most everyone i know generalizes things when they speak, when i say i said hi to everyone, it doesnt mean i say 'hi' to everyone, i say pretty much every form of the word hello, and as has been said PL'ing has nothing to do with OOC, PL'ing has every much to with RP as having a beer in the tavern does, as most people who RP as warriors, have to train to get to where they want to be, So IC'ly they have to train as well, so the basically, RP training, while training. thats using the set, going along with your acting thing, personally, i hardly train, whatsoever, you'll see me fighting things all the time, becuase that fits my character, i hunt monsters and criminals, but your more likely to find me camping, or in a tavern, becuase i enjoy talking, which goes back to me saying hello to everyone.
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and all your grinding should be for roleplay purposes, vakachehk. this is an actual roleplaying game. thus, just about everything you do is for the sake of roleplaying. i PL so i can realistically roleplay my character. so does dannae.
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But her majority of playing is RP not PLing, and if she is grinding it would be for RP.
Well people saying things like Thou, Thee etc is well IC but also OOC because that is classified as Old English which is technically a complete different language and the only language from the real world that is allowed in PlaneShift is English. But what I am saying is that using English and making it a little more Medievalised is what I find is more IC. But I don't pack a fuss when people do say "Thou" or "Thee" as that is still well known Old English, and is still semi English.
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ughghgh.... rather than point out every little fallacy in your logic, i'm just going to say this: the language spoken in yliakum is Common. it is modern english. that's just how it is. if you wish to speak in old english, go ahead, but 1) i doubt you can, 2) it's ooc, and 3) no one will understand you. i'm sure "thou" and related words are alright. however, i don't see why you can't just use the word "you". "thou" is an informal "you". if you're going to speak formal, say "ye".
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Is true RP something that removes the "G" entirely from the RPG experience?
Not at all. That is also part of Lolitra's lagacy. You are a good roleplayer when you try to entertain others as much as yourself and as good as you can. The intention counts.
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@Sarva: :o OK, OK, I admit it.... you outed me! lol, yes, I have been doing a lot of the grinding thing the last several months, way more than anywhere near what I did in the previous 2 years. It wasn't meant to be a secret. I do wonder however, how you know my stats. I suppose that's a gm thing. RPing does tire me out once in a while and I don't mind a respite of mindless training at those times.
Still, even though I much prefer to RP, I don't consider myself an RP snob. For those who prefer other parts of the game better, good for them. We're all here to have fun with what we like best. I've recently become interested in the mechanics of dueling, hence my training more often. I also attribute some of my grinding to the large drop of active players in DOX guild and the game in general.
@gnomebuddy: I totally understand!
TY for sticking up for me Sarras, Despaira and Vakachehk :thumbup:
And about this medieval language stuff, I think it's up to each player to use some imagination. If you want to speak old english, great, but don't expect that from everyone else. Personally, I appreciate some of those who are good at inflecting accents and different speech idiosyncrasies over the use of older dialects. I once saw someone, Stashka I think, be told he shouldn't flip the bird IC to another player because that gesture probably wasn't known in medieval times. But so what! I'm sure there most likely was a gesture with a similar meaning, and it would be silly to look it up and use it in game if no one understands it.
Just want to remind again, my purpose in starting this thread was to get an idea of others favorite thing about playing PS and read your reasons. Of course I never expected the poll results to show a true reading, but thought it would be fun just the same. Also, love reading about how your characters or players themselves have been affected or changed from experiences as a direct result of playing.
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Well I think Dannae just summed up what I was trying to say. Pretty much don't go full out Old English but don't go wondering around saying "Hi" or "Yoo Gee" etc ;)
Well I of course play to RP and play because I love Kore. I did first want to become a blacksmith but then changed to more Fighting and protecting the Enkidukai. I do though some days pick up the old smelting of ore.
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.....vakachehk, sometimes, i really want to gore you. no offence.
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To be honest I have to agree with Sarras on that one about the Old English :p
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I really agree with Sarras on a lot of things here. As she's already pointed out, what is being referred to as "Old English" is in fact not. It's more or less 17th century English, whereas the language known as Old English is closer to 7th century, and is so heavily Germanic and Norse influenced, its unreadable by most English speakers. I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people on this forum could read or speak it.
I think what is more important is that some people attempt to use an archaic speech form to deepen the immersive experience. That's fine. It's a great thing, and can make the roleplay a lot of fun. I admire people like Candy and Roled who can keep up such a dialect flawlessly. But not everyone is capable of doing that. There are many different language speakers who play this game, and it is not fair of us as players to be so discriminatory or picky, when some of them are lucky to be able to communicate atall in English, much less go beyond modern English into obsolete vocabulary they would have no chance of learning in their native environments.
And just to agree further with what Dannae and others have said, my main is a fighter. It wouldn't be very fitting for her to run around with "As intelligent as a stone and frail and feeble in physical combat" in her description, now would it? Course not. So she trains. AKA I level her.
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I think the vast majority of people who are currently playing ( in the mid to upper 90s I'd say) are what I would call tweeners. They are not pure RP'ers and they are not pure levelers. They are people who RP when the situation calls for it and they also level. I think as the game has changed over time the type of player has changed over time. Originally when there were fewer skills implemented and smaller maps there was more of the pure RP type player since there was less to do. As more and more skills have been implemented we are seeing more players who have the position that you should back up your RP with your skills. Like Tessra said if you want to play a good fighter then you should have some actual fighting skills. This means we are seeing fewer of the pure RP type players there use to be more of int he past but I don't think we are seeing very many pure PL'ers coming in either. We are just seeing a changing of the nature of the RP that most people seem to like doing.
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I believe roleplay should never be used to replace a game mechanic, only to augment and fill in the gaps. To me, pretending one is X when one hasn't done the work would be like pretending one beat Bowser in Super Mario Bros - not bothering to insert the cartridge, or maybe just playing 1-1, but cheering and high-fiving your buddies at how great you just did trouncing the last boss w/o a scratch. Anything one claims that has a mechanic behind it needs to be earned first. Now, things like background are great for making up your own details. Feel free to have an alcoholic uncle, or descend from aristocracy, or whatever. You're not bypassing actual effort there. This is actually the first videogame I've played where people actually do say, "Well, getting strong would take forever and might be kind of boring, so why don't we just pretend we already did it?"
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I think the vast majority of people who are currently playing ( in the mid to upper 90s I'd say) are what I would call tweeners.
i think the vast majority of players are aged around 20. i haven't met any "tweens" so far. they aren't patient enough for a game like this. lol
(i'm not sure if i even got what your post meant? sounds like you're talking about teenagers/preteens/whatever and then a cross between roleplayers and powerlevellers)
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I though it was clear I was using tweener as in between a RP'er and a PL'er and not talking about player ages at all.
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A person aged around 20 is a "twen" (short "e"). The "tweener" sounds like an abbreviation of "in-between-er" instead.
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I though it was clear I was using tweener as in between a RP'er and a PL'er and not talking about player ages at all.
That is my feeling of where the mindset of the active player base is heading as well.
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I believe roleplay should never be used to replace a game mechanic...
to me that is semi wrong, I believe that if a game is a 'Roleplay Game' or it's a 'Roleplay Server' then mechanics count as roleplay, so another words, your levels are for roleplay, I don't mind if someone makes some OOC levels for the use of helping new players or what have you...
Or for another perspective if someone locked a door then that door is locked IC and that person instead of saying "/me locks the door to X house" the mechanics do it for them.
.....vakachehk, sometimes, i really want to gore you. no offence.
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Love you too Sarras.
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Usually if I can, I both lock the door AND type out "/me locks the door". The only case where I might stop typing in order to show what's going on with just mechanics would probably be RPing up to the point where a fight starts and then duelling - and then going back to the RP at the end of the fight. It's a heck of a lot shorter than most strictly-RP fights too.
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Usually if I can, I both lock the door AND type out "/me locks the door". The only case where I might stop typing in order to show what's going on with just mechanics would probably be RPing up to the point where a fight starts and then duelling - and then going back to the RP at the end of the fight. It's a heck of a lot shorter than most strictly-RP fights too.
Well I suppose everyone has their different opinions but really mine are better \\o//
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Usually if I can, I both lock the door AND type out "/me locks the door". The only case where I might stop typing in order to show what's going on with just mechanics would probably be RPing up to the point where a fight starts and then duelling - and then going back to the RP at the end of the fight. It's a heck of a lot shorter than most strictly-RP fights too.
Well I suppose everyone has their different opinions but really mine are better \\o//
Be careful grasshopper, may your ego grow as large as travosh'
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He wishes. ;D
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He wishes. ;D
:lol: lol, at least you don't take it as serious as Earowo.