Could it be a switch?(instead of a permanent setting).. not every session I go into RPing..

Hello all..

 Sometimes I encounter things that I may consider as a bug. As Xillix pointed: "if there is clearly no reason for something to be as it is it is a bug".. -This is still vague definition for me, yet I cannot think of a better one.

 I've been kinda discouraged to use/report to bugtracker for seeing the recurrent "it's a known issue" phrase in IRC once a user brings up some old bug or problem. By no means I'm asking to change something on that. It's just that I cannot tell if it's a known issue or not. And the fact that the bug data has deleted or closed threads, makes it more dificult for me.

 I dunno about the correct procedure but as I am also checking into IRC constantly, next time I find some weird thing, I'll bring it up to IRC as it works IMO as a good filter for "known issues". Then, I'll see how to take it to the tracker.

 If you guys have suggestions for doing it better, lemme know.

Either my PSing hours are de-synchronized or I'm totally blind to evil.. or maybe I'm too busy diggin' whenever I'm online...

I have not encountered one single evil character (that I had no prior knowledge of) in ages!

I'm also waiting for a definition by the thread's poster.

Even tho, I'd like to applaud any attempt to develop a truly evil char by any player.. I've tried and it is so hard, that only thing I can do is dig and train hoping the day will come. And that may not even happen.

It's not a matter of good or evil ...
...It makes little sense since the only way to progress in-game is by beating up things.

Btw, I totally agree, Zan.. as unagreable as an evil char may be.. ;-)

What were people permitted to do to each other before that they are not allowed to do now?

-Guarded items.. back then, what you drop was exposed to thievery. Now it's used to 'enhance' carrying capability.. Players get inventory full but still manage to overload temporarily by 'putting things aside' while they dig for example. Some use it to place a Point Of Sale stand in public (very useful) but I dunno if this was part of the intention. I understand that there were many issues with the furnaces/crashes.. chars lost many items when that happened.
-Death rule/challenge/suicide.. People were abusing death realm for it's ability to respawn w/no penalty and therefore move faster between maps. Now no one wants to die to avoid penalty. I believe once a challenge is accepted, death must be considered as is. Once players were given a second chance, challenge became a game within the game.

Maybe these are just a couple examples.. more things used to happen but those were bug issues (which in no way mean less fun). Still, the effect of those bugs could be considered as 'actions', like the inventory auto-drop when full.. I know it must have been a nightmare for Devs and GM's but sure the effect was pure fun.

I don't mean these issues should return to their prior status. Maybe some other things when implemented may replace those actions (pickpocket/lockpicking)..

On another side, I've seen sporadic attacks on mining areas performed by GM's.. Everyone enjoys those, even if they die.. but these actions are limited to the GM's. Players can't do that.. People take things according to their source.. if it was a GM, cool, fun, yeah, hooray.. I can't imagine the negative comments if a player's character ever attempts something like that. Still, I believe there should be some actions doable w/o agreement, comment, blah..blah.. Every single time such things happened, the following was pure RP joy!

Now, you may say I enjoyed those for I could have been mostly a perpetrator.. well, no!.. those rules applied for us all.

I have never understood those who compare PS w/ RL head to head.
Platinum, gold, coal, iron, tin, etc.. for this time, I'll consider all the same to make it practical. If they are abundant or not in RL, if they have or should have this or that use is irrelevant for this thread. So, that aside, I'll continue..

'Balancing economy'... WTH? who came up with that?.. I will understand the need for balance when I see a real economic system.. the way it works inPS is not comparable with RL. There exists an economic flow but not a system.. therefore, it's not possible to 'balance' it. The tria just flows, changes hands but on the ends of the chain, there is an infinite supply and a huge toilet or whatever you call what swallows it all.

Now, if what many call 'balance' means  similar economic benefits or comparable enhancements of assets regardless of the goods type, availability and the individual's strategy for acquiring them, well..  here is a wake up call: "No. The fact that you don't care about it does not convert PS in a comunist system" even if you desire it to.

I voted for 'increase...' and was astonished for it having 2 votes atm. I repeat: It has nothing to do with platinum.. whatever it is, the basic or most representative item of the economic flow must be increased or the expenses should be decreased. From any point of view, for any reason.. one needs tria for everything IG but RP. If RP was 'buyable' or if the other day's idea becomes real and one starts 'getting paid for RP', then the time spent on increasing wealth would be diminished and then, most would engage in those other things that you love about the game.

This is a contradiction which only reveals the true nature of many around: (word ommited for obvious reasons).
I want all to think about the word that most describes your feelings when considering embarking on the quest of the power leveler, the mage or the warrior.

Why instead of making it harder for this kind of characters won't you embrace him and let him have his round so he can come back to you with at least some conversation?
Some say that it's because then they will end up fully grown and get bored and leave the game. So?.. what do you think you're encouraging on the first place?

The list of virtually doable things IG is HUGE. I was hoping that cooks would be able to make a living (careful with this expression!) but then, the revenue is for the lack of a better word, hilarious. But then again, it's not only how much they pay you, it's also the spends of your way of living.

Maybe we could get some criteria revealed.. like for example, how much is it desired for a character to achieve during  a specific period of time.. mining, cooking, crafting.. doesn't matter. How much characters deserve for the time 'invested' is the number that really counts. We could learn from the reasons for such number and see if the decision is wisely oriented with the goal of increasing the IG experience, or if it's a simple biased choice for not allowing the other kind to be as easy and quickly happy as the best RolePlayer Master around.

Quote from: Waoknie on May 10, 2008, 06:23:27 pm

It feels weird because you know I'm shooting myself on this one cuz I love to fight, challenge, etc.. check out my post about an alternative of punishment for the power abuser.. I know it's raw but I still have no feedback on that one..
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=32394.msg372964;topicseen#msg372964

I don't like the idea of stats degraded for power abusers. You would train all day to get stronger, then you would be punished if someone challenges you who has put no effort in their training.
But maybe your evil faction could be incremented if you do such a thing?

Well, I haven't figured out an idea for the opposite: I think that when U have a trained char and it gets defeated by a weakling, then other aspects of the data may come into account.. for example, Who challenged who?.. If the weaknling challenges the +pow, then his/her braveness should be awarded (factions are too complicated.. they may end up segregating.. yet, it's a good idea). And if the +pow is defeated, only a portion of it's levels is decreased (don't forget about the chances of this to happen non-permanent).

On another side of this trilema, there is the possibility of being defeated for unexpected reasons, like some system problem..  this is an obstacle.. I'm sure we may find a way around but.. well, I wonder how many things are waiting on line that can't be implemented because of system bugs we are unaware of.. but hey.., that's another part.


I'm glad we're building something here.. at least hypothetically. I think these are good ideas..

You guys know much better about the PS world than I do. The chances of a city-scale conflict are slim atm.. One thing we need to have very clear.. There are not many reasons to engage in a conflict like this.. (non that I'm aware of atm) and there are many things that cannot become reason for it either.. i.e. race.

The poll about conflict has me a bit confused for it's a complicated question based on my limited knowledge of the world's power equilibrium..

To make it simpler: Give me some (or at least one) good reasons for having such up-scaled conflict.

So, I see this more like a huge event than like  a chance of changing the overall rules.. It's ok for me.. I will help you because I believe that something must happen either way. And that's another topic anyway.

Bad thing is.. you may have noticed my part on forums have increased.. well It's cuz I can't play these days (my puter's psu blew) so, I'll be pulling the strings from here.

I agree with death.. and I have just posted about it on the wish list's child board.

I have an idea..

The system is aware of the power of the fighters before the fight itself starts.. That data can be used:

Player A engages into fight against Player B..

If powA is similar to powB, then fatality goes without punishment. (one dies and goes to 'hell')
If powA is far superior (50%+ maybe) than powB, then fatality ends in punishment by degrading the Apow to the levels of Bpow.. for a standard period of time (I speculate 1 day) but also, there should be some reward for Bpow.. like bestow of the greater power of A for maybe the same period or less.

Still, I think that these things should come back to normal but then It may be also abused.. so perhaps considering it to become permanent or extending the punishment period would be a wise decision if the objective is for the players to be aware of the survival instinct of individuals.

I have not seen such arrangement in other games.. If you guys know of it, lemmeno.. I think this would make a huge difference between PS and the rest (I did not say it's necesary.. PS is class apart enough for me)

But if there is a guild war, then these settings would not apply. Just plain death.

If my explaination is uncomprehensible, I could extend.