Originally posted by Melbourne


Fhinias, could you give me an example of a fantasy game?  I\'m not completely sure I got your deffinition.

 a good example for a fantasy game would be \"vampire, the dark ages\" and i think 5 rings to, but those are board games, the thing is they show you the supernatural and \"fantastic\" aspects of some ancient time fo our own time line, based in mithology and they try to complete the story, but without explaning any scientific matter,the perfect example is the vampire...why is he inmortal (fantastic answer: because he revived without a soul and he is doom to live like a blood thirsty fiend of satan) thats an explanation that evades the question...because you still dont know why the vampire is inmortal,also you know he doent have a soul, but you are not really sure what a soul is, and also you know he is a fiend of satan, but who the hell is satan?!, do you know him? does he have a cellphone number?!..........( im not saying anything bad about the catholic religion, just using an example) well the thing is the fantasys evades questions by genering even more ^^, and thats how it  keeps as a  fantastic thing, because you still dont know what it is....^^ you see the first games that explain and give sense to their storys are japanese, because their way of thinking was diferent from us....we could be wandering forever without anwers to our questions about thinks we dont know(and thats because the catholic church, who ask the occidentals to believe in what they cant see)....

( to outting this more simple, wen you eat a hot dog for the first time, you think \"this thing tastes fantastic!!\", but wen you find out how was the whiner made, all the fantasy disapear, because you know the truth now...)

  now getting back to the subject... you dont need to harvest gas to make gas potions or bombs, an alquimist can make gas from brewing plants, or dissolving minerals, and a hervalist can make poison, so theres no need to add another job involving gas, because is not as simple as putting it in a bottle...lets make this example:  \" monghy, a dwarf... starts his first day as a miner, and he goes tho an iron mine, and he finds himsef with some iron, and he grabs the pick axe and takes the rock out, but a few meters away from there he hears a noise, and he goes to see wat is it.....and in the place where te noise was he stick his hear to the wall......and he says \" i found gas!! i found gas, then he grabs the pick axe, and makes a hole to let the gas out and put it in a bottle\", ..... theres 4 options from here :
1) he blows up in pieces along with moust of the iron mine....
2) he  gets scorched in 2 seconds, leaving his pick axe as a remminder he lived a nice life
3) he gets poisoned so severally than his internal organs start to blow up and then wen his eyes explode he realize how stupid he was...
4) he gets the gas, and pass out in the way out from the cave, and then he wakes ap with a pair of wings and an harp!!, and he doesnt even know how to play it

 dont under estimate the potencial of any gas in a cave, is lethal in various ways, and it expands fast, (now people is going to say, i didt mean to harvest gas with a pick axe, but any metal armor woud have the same effect than options 1 and 2, and in the case of the other types of gases, they are even more efective and unescapable, so no gas, is not that easy as you think.....

Originally posted by Cyberchu
Pterosaurs are expensive, crude ballons are not too difficult to make.
It would add a whole new level to smiths instead of just using ore they can use gas as well!

Pterosaurs are expensive indeed, but i bet the Megaras will be cheaper, and dont forget this is moustly an underground world, so to go with ballons in spiked stone places is not whise, also the amount of gas needed for a ballon(even if it is only for 1 person) is to much, and you cant carry to much gas in a bottle, even if is a really big bottle,also you need loots of good leather(i mean goood leather, not some chicken skin) so it woudnt be that cheap anyway......... and the gas has nothing to do with smiths, the closest job to collect gas would be the miners( and still, a miner cant mine in places with gas, unless he wants to turn himself into a happy pile of ashes) or the alquimist, who dont have the need of collecting gas, because they can create gas from the minerals they work with......so to create a ballon in an underground place is completly unessesary, also ballons do not require special gas, they just need to heat up normal air, i mean you are seriously thinking in getting on a giant floating bomb?!, so if you take that in consideration, gas harvesting doenst fit in this world, because it haves no practical use.....yet

Well, as the idea goes we need to make some sort of compilation about the backpacks and bags thing,(also taking in consideration the post made by fish, who mainly discuss the carrying system)...


- the bags, backpacks, wallets, etc..must be reepresented grafically(in the future ^^, because the devs must concentrate in the basic things now)

-they can have the current carrying systems:
      a) by slots (like diablo)
      b) by type of item (  for example separating potions from armors)
      c) use bouth systems..

- the amount of money you can carry must be limited by the abailable space in your wallet, backpak or bag.

- wallet and small bags limitations:
    a) money: around 50 to 100 coins depending int the size of the wallet.
    b) crystals: around 1/4 of the amount you can use for coins(because they are oviously bigger)
   c) gems and other small object: depending on the size, they must remain proportional to the amount of coins you can carry in that wallet)

- medium and big bags limitations:
    a) they can carry almoust every medium sized objects.
    b) cant carry pole arms,massive weapons, and very heavy armor...
    c) they cause more encumbrance because of the unconfortable way they are carried.
   d) a emty bag or a full bag can be inside a back pack, ( or as a more complex idea...attach to the outside part of the backpack)and that way the encumbrance problem could be reduced.

- backpak limitations:
     a) they cannot carry polearms, massive weapons, medium shieds, or extremely big and heavy armor.
    b) it can have several pockets, dependig of the type of backpack..
   
-you can also put money in the bags and backpacks, in case the wallets are full.

 - items of inmediate use must not be in the backpack, but some can be in bags.

- consearning the pocket issue:
    a) you should be able to carry items in your clothe pockets as well (only if that especific clothes have pockets), but each pocket should be considered as an extra wallet, so it can only take money, crystals and other small objects.

- pole arms, shields and massive weapons must be carried in the back, with a rope of some sort,m and they must be limited to the carrier strenght (you can carry 1 to 4 spears if you are strong enought, or 1 to 3 shields if you put one on top of the other, as massive weapons, they shold be limited to 1, and if you want another you must carry it in your hands)

- belts and quivers:
     a) you can carri weapons attach to your belt, and you can put your quivers in your back.
     b) there could be some special belts( for example apotion carrying belts, or a trowing dagger belt.
     c) the quivers must be in the back (oviously)

- hidden weapons:
     a)you should be able to hide some weapons in your boots and bracers, or even in the hat
     b) the type must be limited to the logical options(small dagers, trowing blades, etc)
 
 - the animals must do all the heavy carring in this game, so if you want  to sell armors you must use the animal to carry it...but theres some problems:
    a) this would make people choose animal training more often, making the people forget about rp and do wat everybody does..
 posible solution: animal training should give you bonuses for speed, carrying capabavility, and others, but if you dont have animal training you still can have a mount or a basic carrying animal.
     b) everybody will have these animals, and soon the towns may get congested with more animals than players -_-.....
   posible solutions: buying an animal should be very expensive...you must rent a space for your animal( you just can let him roam free in town or put him in your pocket).........or you could have a animal rental service, for those who dont have enought money, and even then it would be expensive, so you must cont on your guild to rent one ^^, (and of cource the it will not be a 30 min rent)

- magic bags and carpets than alow you to carry more than normal....( it must be very rare!!!!)

- a banking system(free or not), cause the back packs limit the amount of items you can carry, and to have a house should be expensive, so a nice bank would be nice ^^


 thats it...i think.. well if you have a good argument against any of these ideas just post away^^, (if i misundestud any of this ideas im really sorry)

sorry what do you mean by shape by shape??

and for the smoth shading, it only takes practice and a good pencil (HB will do the trick) but moustly practice...

also i apologize because i didnt make tutorials every day as i said, but there wasnt anyone interested untill now, so im going to make more tutorials wen you are done with the ones already there, cause you are the only one interested.^^)

Originally posted by smoak
. i like the way you combined bird talons with the cat paws.

actually, the owls claw is very similar to the cat paws, the only difference is the the owls claws are almoust completely cross shaped, the cat paws have 4 fingers in the front, and the owls have 1 in front, 1 in the R side, 1 in the L side, 1 in the back, and one in the talon ^^

by the way, thanks..^__^im glad you like the weird owl kinda looking wingless griffin ^^

thanks, ahh by the way, this boar back legs are bigger, so it looks like a weir kangoroo ^^, this goes perfect with the horn, cause he can take a bigger impulse to ram, even if he dont have space to run, he still can take a little jump and strike with his horn at very short distance ^^, and also...wen he makes a ram while running..he makes a much bigger impact, because all weith goes to the head, and he takes much more speed...but also..because of not having strong front legs, he cant defend himfelf very well (i mean ..he cant absorb impact with his horn)


and here is something you may not like, is just to weird ^^

heheh, interesting idea ^^, but as long the models show they bags and wallets they are carrying..im ok.
now the burry the items in the ground idea is good, but it should be a time limit for the items to remain buried^^

heres a little boar like........... thing, i hope u like it^^