Gas Harvesting

[Cyberchu]

Gas would be harvested and might used to power machines or give exta options for smths to improve and customise their weapons. Anyway gas would be more like ore then crystals/tria.

[Fhinias]

taking this thread way back..newpie was wrong(ps is not a fantasy game, is more like a sci-fi game, and fantasy games are dead [already for 10 years] because they had poor argumentation, and still people call the medieval games as fantasy, and that is a common mistake, to call it fantasy is more like a tradition), and i admire kuiper for telling the true about some part of ps players(also i admire him for always expocing himself to be flamed ^^).........\" that truth is: \"you cant take new ideas, and you want the game to go as you personally want\", as kuiper said, some off you are compleatly sticked to D&D, or a completly medieval setting( obsessing yourself with time lines and inventions of our world) and thats because you dont really undestand how things works, by actions an concecuences...things are the way they are because we made them like this,or because the people in genereal adapts according to circumstances, adn the ps world doesnt have the same circumstances, and did thing in a completly different way, and adapt themselfs to a completly diferent habitat (for example in our medieval times, science wass almoust completly censured by the church, and thats why there wasnt any investigatiosn or experiments in that age, unless you were powerfull enought to protect yourself, or experiment in a place he woudnt get caught, how do you think the\"evil wizard and his castle\" kinda theme was born?!.....in the ps worl sciense is a open thing and the moust respected people plactice it, also magic is not really magic, they know exacly how it works, that alows this world to have completly different tecnology) so stop comparing this world with the ps world, and accept new ideas the ones who dont (fortunatly theres more people who wants something new in here ^^)...........but  from this part is were i disagree with kuiper, the gas is a bad idea, not because is unreal(it can be real in this word with a good argument), is because this people have magic as a tecnology already, they dont have the nessesity to make new power sources(they have crystals), also they have pterosaurs, so they dont have the nessesity for gas ballons, and for lams, i think instead of colecting gas, is a much better idea to make some combustible liquid or oils by alquemy(if not, then the good old torch will do the trick^^), or some poison gas bombs by aquemy+hervalism, so to add gas harvesting in this game, is to add more of the same thing, and also this game already haves a lot of jobs, think in the potencial of all those jobs before you think in another one, also think in what the people of this world really needs, the way i see it, they have more than enought, just keep working in what we have so far, and youll realize you can increase the potencial of each one of them to make something completly new....

[Cyberchu]

Pterosaurs are expensive, crude ballons are not too difficult to make.
It would add a whole new level to smiths instead of just using ore they can use gas as well!

[Fhinias]

Originally posted by Cyberchu
Pterosaurs are expensive, crude ballons are not too difficult to make.
It would add a whole new level to smiths instead of just using ore they can use gas as well!

Pterosaurs are expensive indeed, but i bet the Megaras will be cheaper, and dont forget this is moustly an underground world, so to go with ballons in spiked stone places is not whise, also the amount of gas needed for a ballon(even if it is only for 1 person) is to much, and you cant carry to much gas in a bottle, even if is a really big bottle,also you need loots of good leather(i mean goood leather, not some chicken skin) so it woudnt be that cheap anyway......... and the gas has nothing to do with smiths, the closest job to collect gas would be the miners( and still, a miner cant mine in places with gas, unless he wants to turn himself into a happy pile of ashes) or the alquimist, who dont have the need of collecting gas, because they can create gas from the minerals they work with......so to create a ballon in an underground place is completly unessesary, also ballons do not require special gas, they just need to heat up normal air, i mean you are seriously thinking in getting on a giant floating bomb?!, so if you take that in consideration, gas harvesting doenst fit in this world, because it haves no practical use.....yet

[dfryer]

Fhinias, why do you say that PS is more sci-fi than fantasy?  Am I just reading your post wrong?

Personally I think the idea of \"harvesting\" gas is too technologically difficult;  it might be possible to make certain vapours by magical or alchemical means...

[sashok]

poison gas would be used to create poison potions

laughing gas would be used to create confusion potions,
where you would throw the substance at the monster
and the monster will be disoriented for a while

flamable gas would be used to create flamable potions

yeah, potions is the only thing I see for gas lol
I think it\'s ok idea, but really just extra

[Fhinias]

Originally posted by dfryer
Fhinias, why do you say that PS is more sci-fi than fantasy?  Am I just reading your post wrong?

yes im saying that, because people haves twisted definitions about that two concepts, fantasy is based in  supernatural elements of mithology, and misterous crafts and arts such as sorcery...., and sci-fi is a supocition of how the world will advance some day, making speculations abut the tecnology and style of life, if you think about it, PS or WOW or FFXI, are neither of this definitions, because the fantasy genre slowly change into a mix of bouth fantasy and sci-fi....
    it change in to  speculation of another world with another history and living beings who were based in our mithology and fantasy settings, so as soon as it changes to be another world, with another races, and animals, etc, it transforms into a sci-fi, but in a different time line....


to put this in simple words:
 fantasy: what it might happened
sci-fi: what it will happen (may be)

PS, WOW, FFXI worlds: what has never happened, because is a completly different world, in with their present line age is based in our dark ages, so it no longer tries to guess what might happened, from that point its stop being a fantasy for definition, and it looks like unfuturistic sci fi, (witch for definition is also incorrect,because the definition of sci-fi is that is futuristic) by adding races with their own characteristics and habitad, and monsters and plants in a natural cycle, and the fact that magic is their science(wich by the way in not magic anymore, because they know how it works and it has become a natural aspect of their lives) so every thing is explained, and this world genearates mysteris of his own, making the fantasy have fantasy, so i repeat, is not fantasy, and is not sci-fi..... it is a new clasification, and is still called fantasy only for tradition..

[Melbourne]

I can call a monkey a kinsinchink, but everyone else would call it a monkey simply by tradition.  If most the people call it a monkey odds are its a monkey.  The line between sci-fi and  fantasy is very thin.  Fantasy is generally held as magic and supernatural but no really big scientific aspect in it.  Once it gains some advanced scientific aspect, it becomes sci-fi.  While all sci-fi is fantasy, not all fantasy can be considered sci-fi.

Fhinias, could you give me an example of a fantasy game?  I\'m not completely sure I got your deffinition.

[Fhinias]

Originally posted by Melbourne


Fhinias, could you give me an example of a fantasy game?  I\'m not completely sure I got your deffinition.

 a good example for a fantasy game would be \"vampire, the dark ages\" and i think 5 rings to, but those are board games, the thing is they show you the supernatural and \"fantastic\" aspects of some ancient time fo our own time line, based in mithology and they try to complete the story, but without explaning any scientific matter,the perfect example is the vampire...why is he inmortal (fantastic answer: because he revived without a soul and he is doom to live like a blood thirsty fiend of satan) thats an explanation that evades the question...because you still dont know why the vampire is inmortal,also you know he doent have a soul, but you are not really sure what a soul is, and also you know he is a fiend of satan, but who the hell is satan?!, do you know him? does he have a cellphone number?!..........( im not saying anything bad about the catholic religion, just using an example) well the thing is the fantasys evades questions by genering even more ^^, and thats how it  keeps as a  fantastic thing, because you still dont know what it is....^^ you see the first games that explain and give sense to their storys are japanese, because their way of thinking was diferent from us....we could be wandering forever without anwers to our questions about thinks we dont know(and thats because the catholic church, who ask the occidentals to believe in what they cant see)....

( to outting this more simple, wen you eat a hot dog for the first time, you think \"this thing tastes fantastic!!\", but wen you find out how was the whiner made, all the fantasy disapear, because you know the truth now...)

  now getting back to the subject... you dont need to harvest gas to make gas potions or bombs, an alquimist can make gas from brewing plants, or dissolving minerals, and a hervalist can make poison, so theres no need to add another job involving gas, because is not as simple as putting it in a bottle...lets make this example:  \" monghy, a dwarf... starts his first day as a miner, and he goes tho an iron mine, and he finds himsef with some iron, and he grabs the pick axe and takes the rock out, but a few meters away from there he hears a noise, and he goes to see wat is it.....and in the place where te noise was he stick his hear to the wall......and he says \" i found gas!! i found gas, then he grabs the pick axe, and makes a hole to let the gas out and put it in a bottle\", ..... theres 4 options from here :
1) he blows up in pieces along with moust of the iron mine....
2) he  gets scorched in 2 seconds, leaving his pick axe as a remminder he lived a nice life
3) he gets poisoned so severally than his internal organs start to blow up and then wen his eyes explode he realize how stupid he was...
4) he gets the gas, and pass out in the way out from the cave, and then he wakes ap with a pair of wings and an harp!!, and he doesnt even know how to play it

 dont under estimate the potencial of any gas in a cave, is lethal in various ways, and it expands fast, (now people is going to say, i didt mean to harvest gas with a pick axe, but any metal armor woud have the same effect than options 1 and 2, and in the case of the other types of gases, they are even more efective and unescapable, so no gas, is not that easy as you think.....

[FESFES]

Ok I think if we add gas it should be an optional thing that you can use to make into a potion or somthing

[Melbourne]

I would have to disagree with you Fhinias, but for now this thread should remain on topic.

Originally posted by sashok20
poison gas would be used to create poison potions

laughing gas would be used to create confusion potions,
where you would throw the substance at the monster
and the monster will be disoriented for a while :)

flamable gas would be used to create flamable potions

yeah, potions is the only thing I see for gas lol
I think it\'s ok idea, but really just extra

This would be the alchemy part thus making gas pointless.

[Cyberchu]

Alchmysts should make gas by combining two different sunstances in a reaction. Natural gas springs could be used if you make some pipes to re-direct it. For example you vould build your guild hall above a flammable gas spring and have pipes in the walls to distribut the gas in case of an attack.

[Kazorn]

Originally posted by Fhinias
who the hell is satan?!, do you know him? does he have a cellphone number?!..........

Bill gates is satan, and i don\'t know bout the cellphone.

and minerals and gas? blizzard sue this project to death - look what it did to freecraft.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Kazorn

Originally posted by Fhinias
who the hell is satan?!, do you know him? does he have a cellphone number?!..........

Bill gates is satan, and i don\'t know bout the cellphone.

I\'m sure he has one, and he\'ll also have an email address.

Originally posted by Kazorn
and minerals and gas? blizzard sue this project to death - look what it did to freecraft.

If blizzard would be able to sue just because PS was using gas, this would show that the whole IP system is even more braindead and evil than I currently think it is.
I don\'t know freecraft, but it sounds like they were redoing warcraft almost entirely so that could be counted as plagiarism. PS states something similar in it\'s license (where they disallow usage of the rules and other content for any purpose that is not running of or connecting to an official PS server) so we can\'t blame Blizzard if we accept PS to do the same thing, can we?

[Melbourne]

Originally posted by Kazorn
and minerals and gas? blizzard sue this project to death - look what it did to freecraft.

Thats right, I forgot Blizzard copyrighted the word gas.  Maybe Planeshift should move away from the futuristic frontier where humans are battling for their existence against a completely organic species and a super advanced alien force.  Or maybe they won\'t sue if we just change the name of Protoss to Elf and Zerg to Dwarf.

Didn\'t we already have this conversation?!?