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Kuiper7986

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Gas Harvesting
« on: June 29, 2004, 09:35:57 pm »
Okay so like you mine minerals and ores and stuff. But would it be a bad idea to collect or mine gas?

I wouldn\'t really know what to do with collected Gas in the game if there even such a thing but I just thought it\'d be an interesing idea.

To collect gas you would like find a gas leak on the ground near a volcano (if there are) or anywhere where gas pressure is high and suck the precious rare gas out of the ground with some type of Gas collector.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2004, 09:40:23 pm »
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To collect gas you would like find a gas leak on the ground near a volcano (if there are) or anywhere where gas pressure is high and suck the precious rare gas out of the ground with some type of Gas collector.


Hm, well, since the PS world is encased in a stalactite (sp?) there wouldn\'t be any magma to create volcanoes, and there also wouldn\'t be underground gas pockets since you dig down enoguh and find hard cold rock.. I guess there could be gas pockets but it seems unlikely considering the setting...

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2004, 09:52:31 pm »
Even if you did collect gas waht would you do with it? Perhaps you could use it in forges to give metaks special properties?
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2004, 10:35:28 pm »
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Even if you did collect gas what would you do with it? Perhaps you could use it in forges to give metals special properties?


Theres an idea... and a gas bauble could enhance \"fire\" type spells. Just no flamethrowers please! ;)

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2004, 10:38:51 pm »
y use a flametrower when you can make a magical fire stream?

and kuiper were you playing starcraft before you posted this?
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2004, 10:43:09 pm »
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and kuiper were you playing starcraft before you posted this?

Thats kinda what I was wondering too...

And, of course, long live magical fire stream thingies!

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2004, 11:19:54 pm »
actually no, but I kinda figure someone was gonna ask me that. But adding gas during the smithing properties can maybe force enhancements?
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2004, 10:19:19 pm »
There _must_ be gas. swamp gas, to be precise. This is because there is life in the water underneath the stalactite. This life will drop to the ground and decay there. This can, given the right circumstances, create plenty of swamp gas, unless the way the water leaves the cave is at the lowest level and all the debris is being swept away by the escaping water.

Swamp gas can be used to power forges, maybe, or to light streetlights just as gas lighting was used in pre-electricity times (but it\'s rather dangerous). A gas explosion would annihilate Hydlaa completely, however. Therefore, the swamp would better not create too much gas / let it out. ;) However, you\'d need gas pipelines for this, unless the gas is extremely powerful (or it must be compressed - a dangerous task for the miner). Also, gas could be used by adventurers for light and heat (cooking), as it\'s portable. However, the gas bottles would probably be somewhat too techy, but OTOH they could be magically sealed, so no difference there...
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2004, 12:48:30 am »
So we are turning this into Command and Conquer eh?
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2004, 01:07:44 am »
what does that have to do with C&C?  The portable gas idea might be cool it could be used for lanterns by peolpe without nightvision.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2004, 04:17:19 am »
smoak: What do you mean by first quote... is it some unspoken tradition that imbues the receiver with special powers? I always (well, usually, Exhibit A: this post) quote someone to clarify what part of their post I am referring to.

Back on topic:
It could also be used to power some basic machinery.. like a conveyor and crusher thingie that goes into a smelter from a mine. Of course, these will be uber efficient, but gas is a rarity, so every so often someone would have to gather gas (A Quest!) and magically refine it.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2004, 04:18:52 am »
I believe DepthBlade is referring to the \"harvesting\" technology, which is common to all RTS games of C&C / WC style.

No, I don\'t think this is going to become an RTS due to gas. :)

As can probably seen from my posts in \"science and magic\", I wouldn\'t mind a little more \"tech\", since it\'s IMO bound to be there. After all, if ppl. discover something combustible, they _will_ experiment with it, magic or not. And if it\'s cheaper / more convenient than magic (which is _not_ limitless, as cen be seen from the limited mana one has *g*), then it\'ll be used.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2004, 08:18:56 am »
ahh gas collecting nothing beats haveing to place a bottle near your *** and wait :D:D:D:D
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2004, 03:36:38 pm »
Soon planeshift won\'t be fantasy game anymore.
It will be scifimagick resource collecting game with some totally weird ideas.

Think about it. THIS IS A FANTASY GAME. Let\'s just stick to the fantasy setting PLEASE. >: |

Edit. Wait! Next thing would be Krans sniffing some gas to get mental powers and hallucinations. Think about some Kran thinking that you are a rideable mammal. Few happy hours...
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2004, 04:33:18 am »
I like it when people say it becomes less fantasy, but lets get a rough definition of fantasy.

Fantasy: Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements; a capricious or fantastic idea; a conceit

Science Fiction: A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.

Even though science fiction is based on speculative scientific discoveries, Planeshift does have its share of science. Planeshift is basically life on another planet so therefore Planeshift is Fantasy/Scifi. As for space travel, well there are portals, maybe they\'re wormholes so it could be traveling through space. Plus Yliakum itself is geological science, studying it, on the settings page.

So how would this game become less of a fantasy if gas harvesting were added? Newpie you believe that an MMORPG only has to have mining, well it doesn\'t. We\'ve all grown to accustomed to \"just\" mining, me included. But Planeshift is about like you said, fantasy. By not even giving this idea a thought and just saying it doesn\'t make it a fantasy game anymore is already breaking the definition of fantasy itself. Actually I\'m not saying it will happen but if this were implemented it\'d make it even more fantasy because of the raw definition of fantasy.

But then there\'s always some dude saying (not saying that its you Newpie) that there\'s a difference between the \"fantasy setting,\" and the \"definition of fantasy.\"
How the heck are they different? The fantasy setting is the samething as the definition of fantasy. Without the definition of fantasy, how would you know what a fantasy setting is?

Oh sure, 2 handed swords, armor, assassins, potions, I mean some dudes will complain that that\'s lame and boring. Every MMORPG, level up, fight, get money, every single time. But what Planeshift does is not follow that. That\'s what makes it unique.

Okay what if we took the world of Planeshift. And changed it to like:

- Yliakum is a world, not a underground cavern thing.
- Pteosaurs are horses
- All the money is now called gold
- Only thing jobs are mining, smithing, fishing, cooking
- There\'s only humans, elves, and dwarfs
- Only weapons are swords and arrows

I\'m might get flamed for this but I\'ll take a stand. But there are some people who want to morph Planeshift into that type of game. You can tell by the people who don\'t take into new ideas.

I mean what if Planeshift Head Dude Luca Pancallo and the other Devs didn\'t want Yliakum to be underground or the only monster\'s are orcs and goblins. Think how unoriginal the game would\'ve been.

Honestly, I didn\'t post this to offend anyone or make anyone made but I just wanted to say that sometimes we as people have to try to think out of the box a little more.

EDIT: Sorry I got off topic anyways.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2004, 04:34:12 am by Kuiper7986 »
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