The fact is, that they have been tolerated by commercial games because money is more important for them, but in PS, the emphasis is on RP, not money.
Just as ego-shooters aren\'t meant for RP, MMORPGs aren\'t meant for powerlevelling, and the players of each have every right to demand that everyone either accepts that or leaves.

Summarising, \"we RPers\" don\'t hate powerlevellers or 1337ers, we just don\'t want them in PS, because it\'s not the right game for them, and they destroy it for everyone for whom it is the right game. They can go destroy commercial games, but not PS.

I truly understand about what you are saying. However this is not truly about RPing but really about how things are presented to the public. This was presented like any other mmorpg but it is not. There is no reference on the front page stating one must role play. There is no reference in the Players Guide stating one must role play. I see no reference that i must role play until i hit a topic such as this.  If that is the wish of the community then i would think the webmaster, the person writing up the Player\'s Guide, or even the game itself would have mentioned this. I believe that is a grave oversite on their part and not thinking of the wishes of the community which does not want 1337 n00bs, power levelers, or any other non role player. Don\'t you think so also? I hope they change this soon to avoid any other problems from non role players regardless if they are or are not 1337 n00bs or power levelers. Both of which i do not consider myself as a gamer.

If it is the wishes of the developers to have non-role players by not mentioning them on the front page or the Players Guide then you guys need to work with them, the non role players.

Any way you look at it the people writing the Player\'s Guide, the webpage, and possibly the code are not in sync with the community\'s wishes. I fear for this community if that continues. I also believe many more of this similar topic will be discuss in the future.

I do want to apologize for the brownshirt comment.  However i believe no one should be told how to act or play a game. That is why the people who are running the show (webmaster, coders, others) should make aware to other people what they are getting involved with when they download this game. That they must role play or be in jeapordy of being banned.

Originally posted by Bardialus
They are part of our society, even though the setting is RP the fact remains that there are different level of society.

Actually this game was touted as a mmoRPG. I also did not see anything in the Player\'s Guide or this website that explicitly state that i must RP while in the game. Although i did not specifically look for that.

You will see why i asked the differences between a RPer and RPGer. I believe that RPGers encompass all people and their playing style who play role playing games. My line of thinking is that RPers are just a part of all RPGers. I also believe that any game, Monopoly to Planeshift, can be role played. Some may disagree and get frustrated when a person doesn\'t do as they wish. Hence topics such as this one.

As i said in the Anti-d00d topic, I believe a game that has many different styles playing the game it will be better off than one that has only one or two. This game is no different.

Originally posted by Black_rose
but the people who talk in it in game are generally the ones who beg,

Ahh..now i have come across a few of them. I would just help them to a point or just ignore them.

Originally posted by Under the moon
Yes, but is that fun?  The only reason I (and you, admit it) play games is for entertainment.  If I have to spend hours typing dig or killing rats to get just enough money to roleplay a little, it can be discouraging.

I hope they don\'t have the spawn time set to the same amount of time as they have now. You would not be standing in the same spot like you do now for rats. It would take hours for that mine deposit to reappear.

Mining would be more of \"on the way to doing quest X i found some ore deposit on the side of the road and mined\" instead of sitting for hours at place Y and type \'/dig\' or click your mouse.

As for the money problem, maybe more drops or better drops from the enemies? More money from completing a quest? Increased price from ore? I did find it interesting that i got more trias from a rat than gold ore (6 = rat pelts + 1 = rat eye, 6 = gold ore). Money wise it makes no sense to mine gold ore. I am not sure how much trias you got for Platinum because i never found it.

Originally posted by Foresteer
also as government systems and better Admins/rules are working their way into MMORPG..

I do not believe that a game should have a rigid government system. why you ask? well.....

Originally posted by Foresteer
 just all that \"power\" sometimes taints..

couldn\'t have said it better myself.  After reading some post here i doubt if some of you can handle the power. Which in all fairness, power combined with rudeness is the real reason people hate \'d00ds\'. Rudeness is in every playing style. I know i could pull some rude remarks from this forum made by some hardcore RPers. Rudeness plus power is definately a bad combination. I am sure you will agree.

I am sure if the d00d from the first post would have partied up the group things would have turned out differently. Also someone would not have something to complain about. KeWl d00d would have killed the monster in two hits and the party would have shared the loot. What is bad about that? (eventhough i think it is more fun to have a longer battle)

I am sure if your government system is implimented you will have many people complaining. Whether it is from abuse of power or getting targeted because of their playing style. It will be compounded if most if not all the \'senators\' are friends. Who is going to go against a friend? Also who is going to stop these group of friends or senators from abusing thier power if the GM and senators are friends? That is why i think a fair, patient, and understanding GM is more valuable than a bunch of friends wielding power. That is where they step into the realm of d00dism (according to some who have posted here).

I am not writing this post to defend \'d00ds\' but to say that all playing styles belong in the game. I also believe people regardless of their playing style should be helpful to other players. If that means going OOC then so be it. I have to go OOC everytime i \'try\' to complete one of the quest on PS so going OOC to help someone is not out of the question.

I think this is to be expected. Yes some of my skills were decreased but i don\'t mind. People need to remember that this is still a work in progress. The developers did not do this on purpose and i am sure are trying to find what happened. The best i could say is not get too attached to your skills or you character during any game testing phase not just this game.

/signed

I figure the quests are broken in this release or i am not saying the right phrase after collecting some gold ore. Anyways, the developers should not rely on this one sentence \"key\" to unlock or finish the quest as you have pointed out Miya. A quest system like what most rpg\'s have would suffice. Even saying \'hi\' to the NPC which unlocks the dialog to quest, history, or other information is better than the current system. A quick check of the inventory would unlock a different set of dialog if this NPC was a quest-giver.

I believe the system that Miya proposed would allevate much frustation on both parts. One, the player getting the quest would not spend 1 to 2 hours trying to figure out the proper dialog. Two, the forumgoers here would not be frustrated by having to read post such as \'I cant finish , what do i do?!\' several times over.
 

As Miya said..that is only my opinion.