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Karyuu

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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2005, 03:29:54 am »
I would just like to mention that I am completely against any sort of \"You may only get this amount of such-and-such per time limit of so-and-so.\" Roleplaying does not mean sitting around the tavern and talking about your days of the past. It can mean actively gathering something with friends, or battling something with team-mates, watch this, all day long. That\'s right. A single player may even want to do that by him- or herself, all day long, because let\'s face it, characters can often have intense training sessions in the RP world too. How are you going to judge who is a powerleveler and who isn\'t? Is it just the l337 speech aspect of it that needs to be removed? Or perhaps everyone needs a \"deeper\" excuse for every action they take, or every rat they kill, or every bar of ore they collect?

Somehow I feel that this is all going to be blown out of proportion one day.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2005, 03:34:37 am »
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I would just like to mention that I am completely against any sort of \"You may only get this amount of such-and-such per time limit of so-and-so.\" Roleplaying does not mean sitting around the tavern and talking about your days of the past. It can mean actively gathering something with friends, or battling something with team-mates, watch this, all day long. That\'s right. A single player may even want to do that by him- or herself, all day long, because let\'s face it, characters can often have intense training sessions in the RP world too. How are you going to judge who is a powerleveler and who isn\'t? Is it just the l337 speech aspect of it that needs to be removed? Or perhaps everyone needs a \"deeper\" excuse for every action they take, or every rat they kill, or every bar of ore they collect?

Somehow I feel that this is all going to be blown out of proportion one day.


already has... already has :(

only thing i dont like is the 1337 speak, if they dont bother anyone and do their own stuff, their fine, its just the speech ruins the setting for me... powerlevelers arent really ok, but as long as they dont cause any real problems, such as \"n00b\" killing and such, then I guess they can be left alone...

just leave them alone, i dont see anyone staying here for a period a time without friends, this game will really revolve around your friends and who you know... so if they want to be alone, let them do that
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2005, 03:40:26 am »
*looks up at the discussion to date.*

however, at this point in time. i think the joke\'s on the power levelers. there is a reset pending. and only the rpers will come through intact.
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2005, 03:50:52 am »
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only thing i dont like is the 1337 speak, if they dont bother anyone and do their own stuff, their fine, its just the speech ruins the setting for me...


And this can be easily taken care of if your character just stares in befuddlement at the 1337-er and asks why he or she is speaking in numbers. Or just ignore them. Or tell a GM. There is no way to set up an automatic regulatory system, us players have to solve this by ourselves.

This was expected - how can you add combat to a game and not expect the 1337 subculture to sneak in? It\'s not a big deal, CB has been released just a short time ago, there will be a character wipe soon (and perhaps more in the future), and I am sure that we are more than capable of fixing the non-RP situation. So instead of ranting on the forums, let\'s do something in-game.
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2005, 04:33:32 am »
I apologise in advance for my upcoming long-windedness:

Now, I\'m new at all this but I do know what I want to see in this game. And this ain\'t it. I think a healthy gaming experience requires balanced doses of roleplay and adventuring (but the \"grind\" really sucks).

So let me make some suggestions that may help alleviate SOME of the \"problems\" that some of you see here.

-I don\'t like seeing \"PLZ HELP ME I NEED LEWT 2 GET A NEW SORD I NOT 1337 ENUF TO PWNZ RATZ THX\" any more than anyone else. Here\'s how much of it could be eliminated:

Leetspeak seems to heavily favor numbers and special characters. In Say, Shout, and /me (action) modes, the only acceptable characters should be letters,  !, ?, ,(comma), .(period), -, \', and \". When you\'re really speaking, \"numerals\" have no real meaning anyway. Furthermore, ! , ,, and ? must follow a letter and be followed by a space. You should, however, be able to form an elipsis (...).

If a message breaks any of these guidelines, the server will replace it with \" mumbles unintelligibly.\" Certain recognized \"words\" (plz, thx, lewt, hlp, etc.) would produce the same response. This would be server-side. And it should be fairly easy to parse, since it\'s only looking for individual characters and simple two-character patterns.

However, /tell and /help stuff must accept any characters, otherwise people who aren\'t aware of this rule won\'t be able to find out how to fix it. Also, if such a feature is implemented, the communication system must be discussed AT LENGH and in excruciating detail, with emphasis on this \"rule.\" On the FIRST PAGE of the Players\' Guide. What we have now in the Players\' Guide about communication is simply not adequate.

-Other things to consider doing:
Invititations into groups or guilds, or challenges can only be sent to characters who are in a line-of sight of the sender and within Say distance. I got asked to join a guild whien I was all by me lonesome in the depths of the sewers. Not really cool, in my opinion! Also, each player must Say at list one message while in LOS of each other before Invites can be sent.

In summary: Characters may only speak in words. Characters may only invite or challenge a preson WITH (not just to) whom they are speaking.  I believe measures like this would help alleviate some of the issues that are arising from the typical manner of communication, which is my chief annoyance with the game.

So all you leetspeakers, it will be to your advantage to learn how to \"speak\" in a more understandable manner. I\'ve been researching several online RP communities and in nearly all of them acting OOC is a bannable offense. I certainly hope it doesn\'t go that far here.

But to the fanatical RP\'ers, I have this rant:

You\'re contemplating just going around and killing people just because they don\'t conform to your narrow view of how people should behave? What would that accomplish? How could they POSSIBLY learn anything from such an encounter? It would never even cross most of their minds that their behavior is what prompted that response. As far as 95% of them are concerned, they just got PK\'d. For no apparent reason. The communities I mentioned earlier have something to say about this as well. It\'s called griefing, and it ALSO is a bannable offense. If you don\'t have an IN-CHARACTER reason to kill another player, your action is OOC.

It will also turn off a lot of people who only encounter people all over the place killing each other in hate. Sure, we\'ll drive off a lot of losers that way. But we\'ll also lose a whole lot of new talent in the process.

Also, though I mentioned how much I hate \"the grind\" in general, it also has its place in a pure RP world. I would like my character Eijog Sharphide of the Stonebreaker clan to be a master armorsmith. Right now I cannot \"legally\" roleplay that character, in my opinion.

Why?

Because right now Eijog is a complete wuss.  I can talk about \"me legendary smithing\" abilities till my face turns blue, but anyone who looks at my stat sheet will know that it\'s complete BS because my Armor Repair skill is A BIG FAT ZERO. I will need to train that up (when I can), and that means leveling, and that means adventuring, and that means a little bit of the grind. Not all grinding is out of character! In real life most of you \"grind\" eight hours or more a day -- to get your paycheck! And that is ABSOLUTELY in character for you!

If you\'re gonna roleplay somebody, your stats have to match your descriptions. If they\'re not, you\'re full of &%$@. These aforementioned other communities have words about that too: It\'s called cheesing, and it\'s considered being just as OOC as talking OOC constantly. And it\'s a bannable offense.

And you think the upcoming wipe is actually gonna CHANGE anything? Wake up and smell the coffee! They\'re here, and in general, they\'re not going away.

So, until the time that ALL the skills that I need to have in order to roleplay the character I want to roleplay in the manner I wish to have him to be roleplayed are implemented, my character will continue to be a simple-minded rat hunter who occasionally will hang around in the tavern shooting the &%@$ with all the friends he\'s met in his adventures.

ALL of them. And always in character.

Thank you for your patience with me. But seriously consider making changes to the chat system similar to those I suggested. I think it could help A LOT.

*EDIT* I\'m not sure I wanted this in this thread or the \"moral speech\" thread. Oh well. \'Guess it\'s the same either way. Have a nice evening, and have fun playing! I\'ll try to be there for the pilgrimage!
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2005, 05:04:19 am »
That was entirely worth the read, and articulated far better than I could have at the moment. Really raised all the points I wanted to share but didn\'t have the energy for. Thank you!
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2005, 05:04:31 am »
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The fact is, that they have been tolerated by commercial games because money is more important for them, but in PS, the emphasis is on RP, not money.
Just as ego-shooters aren\'t meant for RP, MMORPGs aren\'t meant for powerlevelling, and the players of each have every right to demand that everyone either accepts that or leaves.

Summarising, \"we RPers\" don\'t hate powerlevellers or 1337ers, we just don\'t want them in PS, because it\'s not the right game for them, and they destroy it for everyone for whom it is the right game. They can go destroy commercial games, but not PS.


I truly understand about what you are saying. However this is not truly about RPing but really about how things are presented to the public. This was presented like any other mmorpg but it is not. There is no reference on the front page stating one must role play. There is no reference in the Players Guide stating one must role play. I see no reference that i must role play until i hit a topic such as this.  If that is the wish of the community then i would think the webmaster, the person writing up the Player\'s Guide, or even the game itself would have mentioned this. I believe that is a grave oversite on their part and not thinking of the wishes of the community which does not want 1337 n00bs, power levelers, or any other non role player. Don\'t you think so also? I hope they change this soon to avoid any other problems from non role players regardless if they are or are not 1337 n00bs or power levelers. Both of which i do not consider myself as a gamer.

If it is the wishes of the developers to have non-role players by not mentioning them on the front page or the Players Guide then you guys need to work with them, the non role players.

Any way you look at it the people writing the Player\'s Guide, the webpage, and possibly the code are not in sync with the community\'s wishes. I fear for this community if that continues. I also believe many more of this similar topic will be discuss in the future.

I do want to apologize for the brownshirt comment.  However i believe no one should be told how to act or play a game. That is why the people who are running the show (webmaster, coders, others) should make aware to other people what they are getting involved with when they download this game. That they must role play or be in jeapordy of being banned.

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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2005, 05:46:27 am »
If you want to RP then you need to have a character.  Your character at the begining of the game sucks. Unless you want to roleplay the bum on the street you have to \"level up\" your character.  My point is that, while some people play for levels and others play to role play, if they dont bother each other then who cares? Or it could be that while you say that  powerleveling is wrong for RP games, you have to do it to be able to RP effectivly. (unless I am misunderstanding what you mean by powerleveling)

Also, if this game is to be played only with RP then I personly think it will not live up to the potential it has. While I do enjoy RPing, that is not the only thing I look for in a game. I like to feel that I have accomplished something, gaining levels. Otherwise I am just \"wasting\" my time reading a book. I\'m not saying that reading books is a waste of time, just that I can do that elsewhere. Part of having a successful game is to do something better than other games and if I can do something elsewhere, possibly better, that there is no point in playing this game.

What happens if you want to just talk to your friends? Right now that is very tedious so every one just talks outloud \"ruining\" the atmosphere of the game. That might just be the unfinished state of the game though.

On that point, this is not a finished game, far from it. While I got the impression that RP was the intent of this game, others might not. At the moment , in my opinion, there should be more time spent on getting stuff into the game, not trying to solve how to make RP a part of the game.

Actually, (I\'m thinking while I type) that should be near the top of the list of things to do, now that I put it that way.

Wow, I feel like im writing an essay! Either that or I am ranting, which I would have done on Runescape, if i had been a member and could use the forums. Now that is going off topic so I think I will stop typing now.

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2005, 05:49:10 am »
The point isnt to kep people from being strong -_-
I plan on being as strong as, wait, no one will be as strong as me :D
We ar trying to preveent people who do not RP at all and just fight. Not people who can get strong fast.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2005, 06:09:03 am »
Well if they are only fighting then they arent runining the atmosphere, unless they are killing all the monsters so no one else can kill them.  

Man I have to work hard at my spelling and not using abreviations that arent really abreviations! Damn you MSN... oh wait I never used MSN. Damn you Runescape!

I think the point of this thread is to keep people from being ignorant and not apreciating that other people have wants too. That they happen to be a RP environment is pretty big for a game that is open to the public. While I enjoy RPing, other people don\'t so if I respect that others wishes we will all live happily every after, untill the evil witch comes... DUN DUN DUN!

I think that having a server for RPing and then another server for everything is a good idea, being able to use characters on both servers depending on your preference. If that can\'t happen then have the option to ignore or censor \"leet\" speech as you people call it.

Another long post! Starting to sound like my english class,
         \"And I want you to write a 500 word paper on power levelers on PlaneShift by tomorrow\"

Sorry if I seem a little random, as that seems to be the case.

Good day to you sir.
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P.S. Lol (sorry \'bout that, couldn\'t contain myself!) It seems to me that you cant say other MMORPG names on the forums so the-game-that-shall-not-be-named (reminds me of Harry Potter) in this post is RS. If you don\'t know what that is then, well... you need to get out from under that rock!

I don\'t mean to offend any one by my post(s), so if you take offense, I appologize in advance.
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2005, 07:32:40 am »
maybe the devs could set aside a small server for the PL\'s to play on. personaly after DB wipe I am hopefull that the PL\'s will just get so pissed that they lost all there \"hard earned\" crap that they will just leave. but I say if they wont then just give them a little server with complete PK and let em have at it.

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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2005, 07:44:44 am »
How about this. If we see players playing the guy to gms. The watch the guyfor a while and if it prooves to be true, we have a \"database wipe\" on him :)
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2005, 07:47:08 am »
that works to :D

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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2005, 07:47:58 am »
Guys, it has already been stated several times (in this very thread, for fire\'s sake) that there will not be separate \"worlds\" for RPers and PLers. Let\'s deal with this and move onto other suggestions.

Preventing the use of numbers in the chat is a good idea, in my opinion. Applying 1337 sensors will also help in the beginning. However, the best method to deal with this problem by far is to just try to roleplay with these people, bring them into that \"roleplay environment,\" or report them to a GM if they get too aggressive.
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2005, 07:53:47 am »
:( Karyuu makes to much sense......so sad i now have no choice but to live with them. feals like an ex girl i had
allways just wanting to fight someone. had to live with her to dang 12 month leases