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Forum and Website Discussions /
« on: August 05, 2005, 01:42:30 pm »
I find it highly amusing  (but unfortunately quite commonplace) the way people react to newbs nowadays.  Sure it\'s annoying to have to put up with so many lazy newbs on a regular basis, but think about it for just a bit:

1a) Lazy newb has problem, so he goes to forum and presses post button to post new thread without ever looking for existing thread.

1b) finds he can\'t since there is a \"post requirement to post new threads\" So what does he do?

1c) Lazy newb posts his original post in the 1st open thread in the current forum regardless of the subject.

Congrats, now all this does is make even more of a mess of the current organization of info.  Locking door #1 isn\'t going to make newb suddenly gain a brain and learn to use the search feature.

Which is what the real problem is.  I see newbs as a challenge to the forum moderators and administrators to organize the information in as accessible a way as possible.  You\'ll never stop all the newb posts, but if you\'re getting swamped with them, then it\'s a good indicator you could do something to better organize the data being sought after.

Just my 2 trias.

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Newbie Help (Start Here) /
« on: August 02, 2005, 12:05:22 am »
Click on the \"profile\" button at the top of the page, then click \"edit options\" and towards the bottom, make sure you have \"Use BBCode quick buttons and smilies?\" set to YES.  Now when you go to post there will be a toolbar where you can use the IMG tag conveniently to insert pictures. You can use the http:// button also to insert links to the larger pictures.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: August 01, 2005, 05:01:03 pm »
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Originally posted by Sangwa
And Dandamis, argueing with the prideful hardly gets you anywhere. Yes, even if you use good facts and arguments, pride is a sort of blindless and deafness. It\'s hard to penetrate.


Of course, you are absolutely right.  I never respond to a troll for the purpose of trying to affect any kind of behavioral change from them (I don\'t expect to \"penetrate their blindness\" as you put it).  Rather, I post my responses in order to clarify that the troll\'s postings are what they are - flame-bait.  Why?  So that it doesn\'t incite emotional reactions from others.  Most people only invest personal energy into an argument if they are really pumped about it as you suggest.  However, philosophy, logic and critical thinking have always been hobbies of mine.  I\'m also a bit of a \"Holy Crusader\", I guess in the sense that I don\'t mind whacking a troll with the cold sword of logic from time to time (but only in that sense, if you will).  But you couldn\'t be more correct when you assert that a troll isn\'t worth the argument.  It is done for the sake of others who might be gullible enough to listen to the troll in the first place, not for the sake of the troll, himself.

;)

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Guilds Forum /
« on: August 01, 2005, 04:01:14 pm »
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Originally posted by Seytra
Indeed, may I just hold out this mirror to you?


But of course you may.  In it I see... my reflection in a mirror being held by a ....

(wait for it)

troll.

Now if you will allow me to return the favor, here I extend to you the definition of troll, for your amusement and further diatribe - take a gander - I bet you\'ll find your reflection as well...

\"An individual who [...] regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, \'Oh, ignore him, he\'s just a troll.\'\"

Only thing missing from the definition is your avatar.

To everyone else, I apoligize.  I know I shouldn\'t encourage him.  Promise to turn on the ignore filter now.  ;-)  I also apologize for the mess of edited posts above which started when Seytra responded to a comment while I was editing it and then I responded to his response while he was editing it....  lol

Anyway, to summarize a bit for all reading this (for the sake of clarity)...

Only Orndorff can tell anyone the *reason* why he decided to make a Klyros-specific guild.

I understand completely and even identify with the gut reaction that a race-oriented guild might be misinterpreted as racist, but the fact remains that this is clearly NOT the case with this guild, and the PlaneShift In-game description of the Klyros race supports this tremendously:  \"The Klyros believe strongly in the concept of brotherhood with the other members of their race.\"  That is a quote.  No further justification should be necessary on this point and further arguments from Seytra just speak to the fact that he isn\'t interested in understanding the topic, but rather in posting flame-bait.

And for anyone interested in the newly re-named \"Reptilian Order\", I want to say that my main reason for joining was obviously not flashy web-sites or a catchy name or other such hype, but because the core members of this guild are really helpful and friendly folks and are a lot of fun to group with.  So if the Klyros race suits your play style the best and you\'d like to group with some friendly folks, contact one of us in-game and get to know us.  Our real strengths are in our individual members.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 31, 2005, 12:01:56 am »
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Originally posted by Seytra
The formulations were not mine, they were yours, and you would have seen what I was referring to if you had bothered to read my post properly.
Also, words are known to be imprecise, so if you don\'t take care to formulate your text so that it cannot be misinterpreted, it is, at least partially, your very own fault if you get misinterpreted.


Obviously you\'re more interested in laying blame than understanding my intent. It\'s funny you say that Trolls don\'t exist in PS, cause they sure plague the forums.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 11:40:47 pm »
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Originally posted by Seytra
Maybe you did not intend these, but your formulations seem to imply them. Whether Talad tried to impose his will is of no importance, as is whether Laanx or Talad did to the other races.

What is important is that you yourself said that the Klyros consider themselves superiour to other races because they had such a strong will that not even Laanx managed to bend it. This is clearly wrong and resembles racist attitudes.


Ok, well, you obviously just \"don\'t get it\".  You interpret my words  incorrectly and your \"formulations\" are your own - don\'t blame them on me.  I said what I said, not what you implied from it.

As for the Diaboli r any Gods - I just wasn\'t talking about them - I wasn\'t saying Klyros were superior - just that\'s a pretty unique thing in the history and it points to their sense of independence, as does the in-game description.

At any rate, you obviously have racial issues, so best to just not inflame you anymore.  We\'re not racist - you can believe that or not at your discretion.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 11:18:43 pm »
-post no longer relevant-

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 11:12:33 pm »
I didnt bring in religion - you must\'ve misinnterpreted what I was saying.  I was relating PS history - which has references to Gods in it.  That is the only way anything I said was religious.  (At least that was my intent - what were you referring to?)

And No.  It doesn\'t have anything to do with superiority.  Commonality - yes.  Groups form naturally when they have things in common.  Race is a big thing to have in common.  Organizing around it isn\'t a declaratin that those that are different are inferior.  It appears to me that you are overly sensitive to the \"race card\".  But you should remember that Yliakum is not like the world out here where race is abused as a political instrument.  In fact in Yliakum there is very little if any sense of racism.  That too is from the history, if I do recall correctly.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 10:59:25 pm »
Nowhere is there any thought that Klyros are superior - do you really not understand the concept of brotherhood?

What about women\'s groups and men\'s groups?  Men and women have definite different interests and cultural biases etc.  therefore there are plenty of organizations dedicated to only one gender - does this mean that they have any resentment towards the other gender?  Or that they are superior?  Not hardly.  But they find strength and value in their fraternity.  And I quote from the beliefs section of the web-site:  \"Every race is equal, every man is equal\"

I don\'t see this as precluding alliances with guilds of similar goals regardless of race.

As for the religious question, I don\'t see the relevance.  It isn\'t a religious guild.  It is one of good alignment but that\'s as close as it gets.  As for non-good Klyros, they can organize however they want, lol.  Obviously they won\'t want to be part of this guild.  And just because your a Klyros doesn\'t guarantee you admitance either, so perhaps your preconceptions are just not quite on target.  Have you bothered to read the web-site?

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 10:42:02 pm »
I think you guys are splitting hairs over the definition of \"guild\".  Janner clearly states in his original post that he doesn\'t mean \"guild\" in the same rank and file organizational sense that you normally refer to.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 10:25:31 pm »
In response to Seytra, I really want to comment:

I actually turned down the invitation to join originally largely due to that exact sentiment (not liking the idea of race-specific guilds), but after reading the Great PlaneShift History (and the in-game description of the race) I changed my mind.  Klyros share a strong sense of brotherhood with their own race and they are the only race to have strong enough free will to refuse Laanx\'s commands when first brought to Yliakum.  It makes very good sense that Klyros would want to join together with their own kind.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 09:28:37 pm »
How about a combination of the two suggestions:  

The Reptilian Order

I don\'t like \"enclave\" for the same reason I don\'t like \"lair\" - it refers to a place rather than a collection of people with a similar aim / ideal.  ie. The Reptilian Order might have their headquarters at the Reptilian Enclave...

Or did you mean that you\'re now decided to stick with The Klyros, which is a *little* plain, but still OK with me.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 07:21:46 pm »
Alright, well i\'m not all that attached to the suggestion anyway, but I still think it\'s the best one offered here. Of course, you 2 above and others of similar ilk will disagree and that\'s what makes these games fun and interesting:  I wouldn\'t expect members of an evil \"terrible killers\" to agree with much that a good-natured clan says or thinks.

Personally I don\'t think Reptilian Enclave *sounds* that bad phonetically, but to me it sounds like a lame spin-off of \"the felines lair\" which I don\'t really care for either, but that\'s just my 2 trias.

My only real point in my 2nd post (besides the fact that I forgot to add the side notes in my original post) is that this is a thread who\'s focus is supposed to be in helping Orndorff with his guild.  I don\'t see how it helps when all you do is say \"that\'s lame\" or \"sarcasm right?\"  

Everyone has opinions, and if you can get a roomful of 10 people to agree, you\'re doing good - much less a whole online community.  So it goes without saying that ANY suggestion is going to be balked at by some - and by actually being one of those persons and *posting* your negative comments all you do is assert that you value your opinions more than the opinions of others.  Which is *EXACTLY* the kind of behavior you\'d expect from an evil guild and *EXACTLY* the kind of thing that this guild is NOT about.

What would really be helpful, are *SUGGESTIONS* that you find better.  It\'s easy to bash someone elses ideas, but not helpful.  It would be really helpful, on the other hand, if you put your trias where your spout is and offered a suggestion you like better.

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 06:32:57 pm »
Couldn\'t you at least make a suggestion if you don\'t like mine?  Or offer constructive criticism about _why_ you don\'t like it?

Oh wait - nevermind - you\'re the guy in the guild with the name \"Terrible Killers\" in Latin (a language which doesn\'t exist in Yliakum, BTW) - yeah, that\'s a much more original name.  hmmmmm.

Thanks anyway for your feedback.  If the \"Terrible Killers\" didn\'t like it, I must be on the right track.  ;-)

As a side note I wanted to add that I think my suggestion is in line with both the history of the guild as presented by Ordorff and also with the spirit of his intentions (\"protectors of good\", etc.)

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Guilds Forum /
« on: July 30, 2005, 05:05:09 pm »
I hope it is not too late to make a suggestion myself, as a member of the guild, even.

I offer as a suggestion:

 \"Order of the Balanced Klyros\"

or

\"Klyrosian Order of Balance\"

What say thee, fellow Klyros?

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