The Klyros now recruiting

[Dandamis]

Originally posted by Seytra
Indeed, may I just hold out this mirror to you?

But of course you may.  In it I see... my reflection in a mirror being held by a ....

(wait for it)

troll.

Now if you will allow me to return the favor, here I extend to you the definition of troll, for your amusement and further diatribe - take a gander - I bet you\'ll find your reflection as well...

\"An individual who [...] regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, \'Oh, ignore him, he\'s just a troll.\'\"

Only thing missing from the definition is your avatar.

To everyone else, I apoligize.  I know I shouldn\'t encourage him.  Promise to turn on the ignore filter now.  ;-)  I also apologize for the mess of edited posts above which started when Seytra responded to a comment while I was editing it and then I responded to his response while he was editing it....  lol

Anyway, to summarize a bit for all reading this (for the sake of clarity)...

Only Orndorff can tell anyone the *reason* why he decided to make a Klyros-specific guild.

I understand completely and even identify with the gut reaction that a race-oriented guild might be misinterpreted as racist, but the fact remains that this is clearly NOT the case with this guild, and the PlaneShift In-game description of the Klyros race supports this tremendously:  \"The Klyros believe strongly in the concept of brotherhood with the other members of their race.\"  That is a quote.  No further justification should be necessary on this point and further arguments from Seytra just speak to the fact that he isn\'t interested in understanding the topic, but rather in posting flame-bait.

And for anyone interested in the newly re-named \"Reptilian Order\", I want to say that my main reason for joining was obviously not flashy web-sites or a catchy name or other such hype, but because the core members of this guild are really helpful and friendly folks and are a lot of fun to group with.  So if the Klyros race suits your play style the best and you\'d like to group with some friendly folks, contact one of us in-game and get to know us.  Our real strengths are in our individual members.

[Sangwa]

Stop making such a fuss about it, Seytra. Even if they were a racist guild it would hardly be your business. You can give your opinion, but you can\'t hope to have others bow down to your will.

And Dandamis, argueing with the prideful hardly gets you anywhere. Yes, even if you use good facts and arguments, pride is a sort of blindless and deafness. It\'s hard to penetrate.

I didn\'t care to read the whole thread, I just think that, in a game, there is no reason to get all pumped up. That\'s what made some people leave the community. You\'re here to have fun, so shut up and enjoy.
*slaps both Seytra\'s and Dandamis\' faces and then gives both of them a lollypop*

[Dandamis]

Originally posted by Sangwa
And Dandamis, argueing with the prideful hardly gets you anywhere. Yes, even if you use good facts and arguments, pride is a sort of blindless and deafness. It\'s hard to penetrate.

Of course, you are absolutely right.  I never respond to a troll for the purpose of trying to affect any kind of behavioral change from them (I don\'t expect to \"penetrate their blindness\" as you put it).  Rather, I post my responses in order to clarify that the troll\'s postings are what they are - flame-bait.  Why?  So that it doesn\'t incite emotional reactions from others.  Most people only invest personal energy into an argument if they are really pumped about it as you suggest.  However, philosophy, logic and critical thinking have always been hobbies of mine.  I\'m also a bit of a \"Holy Crusader\", I guess in the sense that I don\'t mind whacking a troll with the cold sword of logic from time to time (but only in that sense, if you will).  But you couldn\'t be more correct when you assert that a troll isn\'t worth the argument.  It is done for the sake of others who might be gullible enough to listen to the troll in the first place, not for the sake of the troll, himself.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Ok, hopefully that is the end of it. Now, may this topic return to its original purpose? Because Seytra has made it a little off topic from recruitment...

May a Mod please change the thread name to \"The Reptilian Order Now recruiting\" please? and if you can can you get rid of some of this useless flamming junk? Thank you.

Edit: Dandamis do u have AIM. If you do pm me your screen name and if you don\'t register on the guild forums plz thx :]

[Kiramon]

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Yes the ranks and alignment are under construction

That explains it, I hope they will be better than your former guild name anyway ^^

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
I am sorry that I cannot change hosts because I know very little of html

Hmm, a well known thing amongst guild leaders - perhaps you got a member who knows one or two things about html, doesn\'t need to be the leader who makes the website... it rarely is.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
I stated that you would need to register, but I will go change it so it is not hidden

There are ignorant people like me, who reads fast and misses some things, so I would say that making that part of the forum private = not good idea

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
On the rules, they are also under construction.

At least there are some, but I am not so sure about the \"obey leader, or be kicked\" sound kind of like a dictatorship, or just very childish...

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
This guild promotes a little rp, but not much. The purpose is to destroy the foulest beasts which are and may be even worse than the threatening trolls Orndorff used to live with. And we are supposed to try to help hold peace between other players in the game, but if there is ever a guild war we will ally with the good and help fight evil.

So a PL (Power leveller) guild? you seriously should reconsider making RP a part of the guild, since PS is almost all about RP... just an advice

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The reason I did not post everything is because it is very long and would take up a large amount of space, but if you would like I will post it.

come on admit it, you were lazy. And if people are lazy others might sometimes not want to read, nor gives comments on the guild.

Originally posted by Dandamis
My only real point in my 2nd post (besides the fact that I forgot to add the side notes in my original post) is that this is a thread who\'s focus is supposed to be in helping Orndorff with his guild. I don\'t see how it helps when all you do is say \"that\'s lame\" or \"sarcasm right?\"

Ignoring those is better than losing your temper, cause then you will start posting nonsense too ^^

Originally posted by Dandamis
I don\'t like \"enclave\" for the same reason I don\'t like \"lair\" - it refers to a place rather than a collection of people with a similar aim / ideal. ie. The Reptilian Order might have their headquarters at the Reptilian Enclave...

 
Still enclave is more original than Order, ex. Arcane Order, Black Order, Order of the Black Rose etc. But sure Reptilian Order is fine as well...

Kiramon skips the Rasicm part of the thread, and realises he has reached the end of the thread

Well, Orndorrf next time you are making a promotion thread, I would advice you to post all of the info in the thread instead of just give a link to your website. Not for my sake but for your own ^^
Also try promoting RP, instead of PL - PS is all about RP anyway
And last but not least, good luck!