Well, I'm refering to this specific part:

"When the Xacha began to build the temple to Laanx, Talad felt control of his people's hearts slipping away. Many of his people, curious and charmed by Galeran's power, began to workship Laanx and to forget what Talad had made for them. Talad retired to meditate and, with the power of his glyphs, to plan the most majestic fortress ever built, a building that would show the power of the glyphs and the strength of the stone, the element from which the Kran were created. After years of meditation, Talad created a tremendous wave of heat that melted the secular rock of the walls of the first level and molded this rock in the name of his chosen people. As it cooled, the wall formed a plethora of drawings and arabesques interspersed with shimmering crystals. These crystals still glow, illuminating the Temple with their light, showing the power of Talad."

But you're right after all, it doesn't mention exactly who build it, so if he would just enlight some people to do it, surely it would be the Kran. But he conceived it himself, I think that's clear. But if after the temple construction he molded the rock himself, as it clearly says, why not build the Temple himself? But either way, if it isn't mentioned, unless people are clarified about it, we all have to just assume things so they can make sense...

So, can we make things even clearer? I'll always enjoy this kind of discussion... 

All right, this topic is to know how can we discuss more informations about the concept behind PlaneShift's world, without going into technical/programming concerns, trying to alter the concepts already made clear, and without confusing the discussion - wich is oriented to RP - with RP itself. Let me explain better...

I miss a lot of detailed information about Yliakum, it's inhabitants, it's history, it's races, it's geography, it's cultures. Sure, the basics are all there in the main site to anyone who wishes to read it, but I mean detailed information. 

We all try to RP the best we can inside PS concepts, and a lot of people writes great stories in doing that, but one thing always get to me: what is reasonable and what is not? How can we know that our imagination is not being incoherent with the original concept when we creat a lot of details for our characters that are not in the settings page? What do we know, guess and imagine about all the places and people of Yliakum, the Stone Labyrinths, Kadaikos, and even the surface or the race's native planes?

I know that Yliakum's history is still not interely complete, but only defined in it's major aspects and events, and that's why I'm writing this: not to complain, but to suggest.

I think it would be good to our RP and to dev's work if we had a place to discuss Yliakum history, culture and geography. So we would know more about how other people (especially the devs) are imagining this wonderful world we share together, and what could and could not be out there. I refer to topics who would implement RP and understanding of the world, like:

History: to what great event the year counting refers to; important political events of the past; the stabilishment of different population on Yliakum's levels over the years; how much time do we speak of when we refer to different "Epochs"; different evolutions on religious thoughs; etc.

Geography: size of different populations and their distribution; possible locations of natural resources; what are the better-known places and the mysterious ones; natural difficulties different populations faces and how they react to them; etc.

Culture: different religious dogmas; different races habits and costumes; possible myths created during Yliakum's history or brough by other plains; scientific and magical achieves and difficulties; regional cultural differences; etc.

Of course these subjects are all spread over the forums, but I think they usually are mixed with other concerns than contributing to a more detailed description of PS world. Normally, people would talk to me that this kind of things should be in the RP section or on the wish list, but I strongly disagree. Why? Wish List: usually a place to discuss in-game implementations, what people would like to actually see with their eyes, and thecnical issues. These topics I mentioned above are confused with topics of "what would work best or not", rather than "how we imagine PS world". The RP section: people use this section of the forum to write interesting stories, and I agree that this contributes a LOT to the topics I've mentioned, but the actual RP and good storytelling are the major concerns there, not the "how we imagine PS world" thing.

I think it would be good to have a sub-forum for this, maybe in the RP section, since it's the most related to. The difference would be that it's not intended to do RP in there, nor to just post any story (of course, places' and habit's descriptions could always be told in story format, but not necessarily). There we could discuss about what would be more reasonable or not in PS world, imagine new places, describe better races specifications, and the devs team would know exactly when to say: "No, no, this won't do it. Why? Because we don't like it." I would be more than ok with that. I would be grateful, since it would mean I'd understand more about PS world. This sub-forum, of course, would NOT be meant to: try to change what's already defined by the devs team; imagine things incoherent with PS history's and race's descriptions; discuss technical details and possibilities for implementations; request new elements in-game or just in Yliakum just because they would be "cool"; adress to details the dev's wish to keep mysterious.

Personaly, I'd like to contribute more to PS through that, since I'm not a programmer, not a designer, nor a good storyteller. It happens that I am, in RL, a history teacher/student, and my imagination is much excited about descriptions and social discussions when I'm trying to picture a world, and not only by stories. I believe (or hope!) that others could feel the same as I do.

What does other people think of this? What's the possibility for such a sub-forum be created? If it's impossible  , then how can I contribute the way I just said I can do?

If people think my idea to be a reasonable one, I have at least one place imagined to elaborate a description and a LOT of topics that I would like to see people discussing more. 

Thank you for your patience.

Well your just going to have to wait.
As inca has said, it is Concept art.
You will see the final product in all its glory when the rest of us do, when the devs let us.

I'm not talking about actually "seeing" things implemented in game. I'm talking about more settings and conceptual information for roleplay. I often get myself into discussions created mainly because a lot of aspects of Yliakum could be more detailed. Not so we could know all the secrets or little agendas, nor to doesn't have to think by ourselves creating minor aspects of our characters lifes. I think that a lot of people discuss settings details, writes interesting stories based on the settings and no one cares to implement or deny that in the PlaneShift concept. So, each one of us roleplay based on the same world - that's true - but without being able to tell what's reasonable or not, sometimes. I've mentioned this before in a post about the way different races would grow older, and it took to no conclusion.

Unfortunately, everytime this kind of subject is brought up, people are more worried about "what will be implemented in the next client version" than about elaborating and discussing all the cultural/geographical/historical details that, in my opinion, would make PlaneShift world much richer and maybe give some constructive ideas to the devs. 

These days I was wondering myself: why isn't there a sub-forum dedicated to discuss concepts, rather than implementations? Then I though: mmmm.... maybe lack of interest....

PS: of course all of this wasn't directed to you, LARAGORN, nor to anyone specific. 

Isn't ronaldo meant to be obese so he did not playin the match where brazil lost

I think this "obese" thing is quite exagerated. People here in Brazil have all kind of jokes to that. 

But he was in the field against France. But I think I agree with you, "playing" would be a whole other thing than he did.


And to other posts: yes, Ronaldinho can play much better than he did. Wait! What am I saying? Brazil could have played much better! 

... Seems that those people were retrds

It's just nonsense and rude to "retarded" people who tried to help and inform you the way they could. And they did it very well and politely, by the way. Even if (and that isn't the case) they didn't help you at all, but just tried to, it would still be rude to call them "retardeds". I beg you, PLEASE, try the best to be polite to other people. Also, don't take this personal, consider this a suggestion to get all the information you'd like to ask. What I mean is: it will be best for EVERYBODY if we can just be respectful to others.

See? This is a way to desapprove something without being offensive.

3. Talad first created the Kran and Laanx created the lemurs afterwards ...

Laanx first created the Lemurs for both of them (before the "Division" between the two gods), and Talad created the Kran afterwards (and in doing so he disfigured Laanx).

4. I actually have no idea who named Hydlaa .. I'm guessing the first people who created the city.

That happened in the 3rd Epoch, by Talad, but the origin of the name traces back to Vodùl, and so it is quite mysterious:

"Talad gave up any hope to be reconciled with the old friend and, now alone, turned his thoughts to the people left in the town they had created. He called it "Hydlaa", the name of the most powerful glyph, that Vodùl had revealed to Laanx and that led Talad to ignore prudence to satisfy his pride."

So Hydlaa refers to the crystal creative energy used in both Lemurs' and Kran's creations.

6. & 7. At first sight you might say that Laanx is bad and Talad is good but I don't believe things can be seen that black and white. Neither are good or bad. Both simply are what their past experiences made of them. You could say that at the moment Laanx is bitter and more vengeful while Talad feels guilty for what happened and tends to interfere less. Both gods have the power to create and destroy though so it just depends on what they want to do.

Couldn't agree more... 

(...) as far as i know, reading the book is not yet..er.. possible... so im interested in how you interpret the Book of Names specifically, and if you could fill me in on something i may have missed in the game.

Hmmmmmm, actually I didn't know that, honestly.  I just assumed that it was known to Laanx's priests to provide guidance. I was inspired by some parts of Yliakum's history (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_history.html):

These quotations follow a chronological order in the history section:

About the Book of Names (in the 2nd Epoch):
"In her [Laanx's] exile, she wrote the Book of Names for, even if she was confused and her mind distraught, she did not forget her desire to be worshipped by the people."

About Laanx rule over Kadaiko's Lemurs (in the 3rd Epoch):
"For a period, Laanx ruled Kadaikos harshly, giving to the Lemurs inflexible laws and a strict hierarchy."

About the Laanx's Xacha followers (in the 5th Epoch):
"Some of them [the Xacha], circumvented extinction and went back to their ancient traditions, while the others spontaneously created a clergy and faith based on the Book of Names."

So, this last quotation led me to the conclusion that the Book of Names, have been written by Laanx herself/himself, would be the corestone for her/his laws and hierarchies given to her/his followers. But I return your own doubt to you: maybe I'm missing something I don't know, and you could also fill me in on that  Maybe an information wich I don't know/remember given by a NPC.

Besides that, if the Book of Names indeed can't be read (I don't mean implemented in game, wich is a different question) by Laanx's followers, they surely have religious codes, sacred texts and theological books by wich they organize their religion and discuss their faith. I think this is the opening to different religious aproaches to the same god, thus improving roleplaying the way I said before.

Shouldn't this discussion be moved to another forum? How can it be done?

Well, waiting for more opinions, as always.

PS: I just remembered something: the Book of Names is on Laanx Great Temple in Hydlaa, in the second floor. I believe that's a room for priests only, but still, the Book is accessible to mortals, them. Or... the Book is there, but unreadable or untouchable by mortals, it would be just a manifestation of Laanx's power. I still take the first option, as long as someone doesn't prove it inapropriate.

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