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Newbie Help (Start Here) /
« on: December 30, 2005, 01:28:43 am »
I was meaning to make some lengthy reply about the dynamics of drawing players into a new game - level of complexity vs ease of use, etc... but after tonight I\'m just packing it in, instead.

Oh, I did find my way around the Death Realm using the -fullbright settings. Once someone shows you how to do it and you actually *can see* the map then it isn\'t too hard. Although it would still be murder for a noob unless he just happens to find a kind soul when he dies. Most people who download PS probably uninstall after dying and never finding their way out of the DR, but hey, if that\'s the way you like it. I only stuck around for so long because I really wanted to find a nice mmorpg to play around with, so I was rather hellbent on giving it my best shot.

The thing that made me suicide my character and pack it in was the fact that I\'m still owning exactly 0 trias after three evenings of PlaneShift and I have no pickaxe for mining, nothing to kill rats with, nothing to really do exept impotently walk around trying to GET SOME SENSE out of the NPC\'s who just want me to rephrase everything endlessly... and I like to think that I can speak rather good english even though it\'s not my native language. Surely SOME quest should have dropped out of them by now.

The NPC\'s are morons. There is no documentation about how to get started (no REAL documentation). The forums provide you with some vague idea about what to do. But you\'re still left to fend for yourself 99.9% of the time. Sorry, but that just won\'t do. What\'s the USE of having a newbie forum section if it\'s filled with piffle? New players dont come here for \"some vague clue\" they come here for ANSWERS. Unless you are get someone to babysit you and walk you through the game every step of the way, this is just too hard. Couple that with the cumbersome in-game chat and you\'re up a certain creek without a paddle.

I have been trying my hand at this for three evenings now and I still have no idea how to actually GET STARTED. I have scouted out the location where I go to mine, but I can\'t mine without a pickaxe. I need some money. You can get money for killing rats, I understand after reading the forums. No use talking to Harnqvist because he\'s an idiot. I tried to venture into the sewers a few times to kill some rats. The rats were either \"impervious to attack\" or just killed me without my doing any damage. Apparently I need some sort of weapon to kill them. For a weapon I need some money. Sweet Jesus Christ, why do you PUNISH new players to this extent? Enough! Getting somewhere in PlaneShift without a personal in-game babysitter to hold your hand and tell your everything in person is impossible it seems. Doesn\'t that tell you that there\'s something fundamentally wrong here?

But I think you cater to a totally different crowd. The \"game\" aspect of this \"mmorpg\" is completely and utterly lacking. This is more of a \"3d roleplaying chat\" than a mmorpg. (and dont start splitting hairs, you know what I am referring to) Well, each to his/her/its own. Hope you have fun marrying each other in your 3d fantasy world. I think I\'ll go find a mmorpg that you can actually *play* a little bit as well.  Bye bye now & Take care.

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Newbie Help (Start Here) /
« on: December 27, 2005, 11:43:35 pm »
Note: This is an actual conversation that took place. I edited out some non-essential bits (where the gap is) about in-game sounds but this is how it went. And I must say that this is the #1 problem with Planeshift. I\'d love to be able to *like* this game but... it\'s so ridiculously punishing for new players it\'s a doomed effort.

Seriously, you can\'t expect people to pick up this game if you punish them in this way. One of the first things you\'re probably going to do is to get yourself killed. Then you get some \"insider mystery maze\" to solve? Just to try again? No, thank you. I think perhaps the Dev Team have become too blind, because of their familiarity with the dying process. How about trying to look at \"coming to planeshift\" with \"newbie eyes\" for a minute. This isn\'t *fun* and it certainly is not *exciting*... this is boring, frustrating and a textbook example of bad game design. Sorry for the harsh words, but perhaps sometimes such words have a right and proper place in things. This is perhaps such a time.

[23:52:52] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] so... when you die... you dont respawn... you get spawned in the \"Death Realm\" and you have to find your way out of there in order to \"go up to life\" again... and, since you\'re obviously a noob (you died) you have no clue how to work the game at that point in time.
[23:53:49] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] so... you find yourself stuck in a dark place with lots of halls, invisible staircases and [ EDIT ]... and you\'re supposed to find your way out of there so you can enter the \"real game world\" again.... which you ofc can\'t do, cause you\'re a noob.
[23:54:49] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] in the end, some dutch guy took pity on me and showed me the way out of the death realm... which involved me running after him for 10 minutes, just to get out of there... a way which I\'ve almost forgotten already.
[23:55:07] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] GOOD DESIGN FOR A GAME, PLANESHIFT TEAM... GG
[23:55:29] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] jesus christ, it\'s like they dont *want* people to try their game....
[23:56:03] [@|it|aidsMONKEY|SM4C|] lol planeshift.. I gave up in the death realm
[23:56:11] [@|it|aidsMONKEY|SM4C|] I do not see how that game is fun
[23:57:25] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] Some dude showed me... it\'s a portal some 10 mins of running around... staircases... darkness... turns you wouldn\'t make yourself... like from a walkway, down into the caves... \"going offtrack\" all of a sudden....
[23:58:49] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] I think they were high when they designed that whole Death Realm thing.... it\'s a major turnoff...
[00:00:44] [@|it|aidsMONKEY|SM4C|] planeshift looks like it was designed by 100 people and every person got their stupid feature in thus making it suck balls
[00:03:37] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] I\'ve not played it enough to make that call... but then again... I died about 5 minutes into playing it... and have been stuck in that fucking Death Realm for over 2 hours (gametime), until I got an offer to help me out
[00:03:57] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] so essentially, I\'ve been in Death Realm all the bloody time.... GG PLANESHIFT TEAM
[00:05:55] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] The front page says it\'s 150.000 downloads.. I wonder how many of those uninstalled after their first trip to the Death Realm... like... 149.000


[00:16:47] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] everything is *so* fucking DARK
[00:18:59] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] oh please god no.... i was in a fight with a \"bandit\".. and now... I*M BACK IN THE FUCKING DEATH REALM
[00:19:34] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] that\'s it... this turd is getting uninstalled now...
[00:20:47] [@{SM4C}Suzanna_Holmes] damn, I think I\'m gonna post this convo (relevant parts) on the forums as feedback.... cause this is probably how most people experience planeshift.

P.S. Thank you again to Klaa*****(forgot rest of name) for finally showing me out of that hellhole. I\'d never have managed that myself in a million years.

[ Edited to remove a non-happy word. --Karyuu ]

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