a better comparison

You can't compare with a finished product
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1760682409705123685&q=wow

The total amount of registered in-game accounts is well over 150,000. From very old to very new.

In 4-5 years, that means about 100 new accounts per day average. Impressing.

Quote from: Verrliit on August 08, 2006, 01:42:56 pm

Who said I wanted /mute or /kick?

Then you should try a bit more to make sure your posts aren't interpreted in a way you don't mean them to be.

This comment could apply to your post too, Karyuu. Verrliit never speak about that. Your post could be interpreted as a flame which would be a violatation of the forum rules of conduct, wouldn't it?

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We have clearly seen that the GMs are not immune to this, either.

Proof and concrete examples please.

This one, maybe http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=24481.0
But well... feel free to assert GM never do any mistake, it's your forum.

What's the thread deletion policy in the forum?

Everyone repeat locked topics are spam and vice versa, but what's the name for deleted threads?

The example I have in though (sorry to not add a link) told about  the locking policy with few practical examples, almost half of the articles were from the team. Don't tell me they did wost than spam!

I'm sure you agree it's important for forum posters to know what is politicaly correct and can remain and what must disapear without any trace.

I don't think a full zone spawned from nowhere can be viewed as RP.
Asking its direction by people assumed to be here since their birth is just a fix. The question should be rolepayed, but it's still OOC.

IMHO, don't use the updater unless your test version is broken. If you must update, read the informations scattered on the main site, the laanx site or miscelneaous forums, reread the old stickies in case they have been updated, and build you opinion on what you should really do. It may be smarter to wait few days in case this information has changed.

Narita, I would advise you to give up now- I noticed this very same thing about a year (?) ago, and had a huge arguement about it in the same way you did.  I ended up contacting Luca Pancallo who admitted there was some ambiguity but that a solution was at hand; I assume the recent formation of the Atomic Blue organisation has something to do with this.  I could dredge up the email I got in response but I cant really be bothered.  In the end, we can all argue as much as we want, but the only way anyway can ever have the final say is if this went to court and was argued by lawyers.  For example, you would need legal advice as to whether "distributing seperately licensed stuff in the same download" is in fact "incorporating" in a legal sense, regardless of what any of us might think.  If the PS dev team have sought legal advice, and they dont see any problem, then let them be.  If you really want to prove your point, then steal their artwork, distribute it, and defend yourself in court.

It's not about to steal the arts or such, but about to reuse the engine to do another game. the game must then to be under GPL, including the arts because there is no written exception. Atomic blue could then reuse the game content or sue if the sources are not provided. The other game cannot sue AB even if the licence set is inconsistant (well, the judge will probably tell AB to fix this quickly). Also, the other game MUST give the source to all players. In such situation, nobody will do something serious with the PS engine.

There is other licences (like the BSD licence, the perl Artistic licence or even the LGPL) which allow a fair development between AB and others, but for some reason people remains screwed at the GPL.

For the others articles, I'll try to make short sentences. As I already told:
- It's GPL specific, other licence like firefox's one don't have the same issues.
- It's because GPL is used as the only licence, other engine under GPL (like Quake, Doom, NEL) allow commercial usage because and only because they are released with two licences. Please check their owner's websites instead of web articles.
- "The software" means "all the software", but not "only some part of the software".
- The user private datas or the user's original creations are not managed by the licence of the tools used. GPL or not.
- An army of  lawyers can be consulted, as far a risk remains for a lawsuit, nobody will use this code.

Quote from: narita on July 13, 2006, 05:13:54 pm

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt Last paragraph: "This General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs."

And where is PlaneShift being incorporated into a proprietary program? The PlaneShift engine (which is GPL) uses non-GPL data but the PlaneShift engine is NOT incorporated into any proprietary program. The only programs which are included with PS are all GPL.

Read that license again. Also as Xordan already pointed out the PlaneShift situation HAS been checked by lawyers and it was perfectly ok BOTH for PS and for other people.

PS engine (under GPL) is incorporated in a proprietary program (PS game) you can download here and there. A plain english sentence in the licence don't permit this, whatsoever the lawyers have told.

BTW, there are several other examples of the GPL being used like PlaneShift does. For example Doom and Quake engines are GPL but the game data certainly not. Another example is Nevrax which is a commercial game that uses a GPL engine (NEL). In fact Richard Stallman even works for Nevrax (Richard Stallman made the GPL) (check www.nevrax.com).

Please, check your references. NEL offer two licences, one GPL and the released sofware must be under GPL and a closed licence for commercial usage.
RMS don't work for Nevrax, he just did a conference.

Please, stop doing double or triple post, while just edit your previous post is enough.
Also, please, stop asking precise references while giving reference to generic portails.