Kada-El. She has been here forever... I wouldn\'t be surprised if she pre-dated Planeshift 3D, back when it was text based. I can\'t remember for sure, but I\'m pretty sure I saw her around during the likes of Atomic Blue, and thats when I started, so I have no idea how long before that. Though I didn\'t meet her until I started FSO in the beginning of MB.

Originally posted by Monketh
Oh great, here we go again!

It does sometimes seem that I\'m the Official Unofficial Argument Lawyer for the Bush Administration and G.O.P. in this forum sometimes, doesn\'t it?
Well, someone\'s gotta do it, they don\'t deserve flak like this.

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Smoke isn\'t square in real-life. You\'ve been in the dungeons too long, Bub. Observe the other frames, it\'s the same shape.

  .  But anyways, smoke can very well look like that in a pixelated image, which might, I accede, be pixelated on purpose.

It was pixelated by the author, or was originally low-resolution.  The pixelation was created deliberately to hide the airplane.

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No, but I\'d sure like an administration which doesn\'t deliberately try to hide them from us.  Is the United States a Democracy, or is the government using the people?  For some reason, I tend to think the latter ever since George W. Bush stepped into office.

For the last time, the US of A is a REPUBLIC!  Why can\'t democrats/liberals get that through their heads!

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Now, do you think that September 11th would have happened if Al Gore was in office (and it was his own damn fault he didn\'t let Clinton campaign for him)?  I don\'t.  

I\'m not sure whether to laugh at how ludicrous this claim is, or cry in pity because you believe it....
Those attacks were planned far in advance, before Bush stepped into office.  Gore wouldn\'t have seen them coming, either.  Don\'t even try to prove this, I\'m not reading blogs.

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President Bush just isn\'t on the same caliber as he is/was.  Now, when George W. Bush stepped into office, what did he do?  Nothing visible to the American public.  He struggled for control of the senate, he spent 40% of his time on vacation.  Al Gore had clear goals and he had an advantage over Bush, he just came from the White House.  So what does that do?  It makes him experienced.  And that is all that counts.

I see you\'re still a little bitter over florida.  Gore was a politician and you know it.  As for 40% of his time on vacation, where did you come up with this figure?  I\'d really like to know.

Bush did what he said he would, even ol\' Bill Clinton admitted it.

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So let\'s not argue as to whether or not the Pentagon was hit, because it was.  Would it have been hit, would September 11th have happened, if Al Gore had been elected?  No, I don\'t think so.

Yes, it would have.  I don\'t care how much better a president you think Gore would have made, that wouldn\'t have changed it.

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Note:  This isn\'t an angry/mad/flame post.  It is simply a discussion post.

Noted and filed.

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Originally posted by leji
Of course I\'m just a little freaky french who\'s against the war in Iraq the way it\'s done , and who\'s infos come from national tv\'s and newspaper and not from CBS or FoxNews... But if u guys really think that u\'re administration is conspirating just dont reelect them ... please !!!

Don\'t worry, most of us Americans are too.

No, that\'s a lie.  Bush would not have a 2-point lead if that were true.  Those for and against are too close for it to be called in your favor.
Plus the \"and\" implies being completely against, and doesn\'t take into account those feeling the war was justified, but who disagree with the methods used.

But there is no \"and\"... it just says \"who\'s against the war in Iraq the way it\'s done \"

Originally posted by leji
Well, according to the few I know about US and the US government I suppose that if they could prove that it wasnt a plane but some kind of missile that crashed in the pentagon we would here about it everyday !
Remember that Bush and everyone in the US gov want to show to the whole world that terrorism is everywhere and really dangerous, a missile would be a benediction for them! imagine, they could say that this military stuff must have been provided by an ennemy country and attack it (Who said France ?? NO!! we\'re nice people !!  
No, really, if that kind of stuff was true nobody would have buried this story, money and power is much too important for everyone for them to waste such an occasion !

Of course I\'m just a little freaky french who\'s against the war in Iraq the way it\'s done , and who\'s infos come from national tv\'s and newspaper and not from CBS or FoxNews... But if u guys really think that u\'re administration is conspirating just dont reelect them ... please !!!

Don\'t worry, most of us Americans are too.

Everybody looks for a way to make the US Government look bad or sneaky.

They are. On several occasions.

This is like saying Bush organized Sept. 11!  (If anybody tells me that Bush organized Sept. 11 hijackings, they deserve to be shot out of stupidity.

No, it isn\'t like that at all. Maybe it was something other than a plane, and they did not want stir up any more fear then already existed, so they just made it look like part of the tower/plane tragedy. There are other reasons why the government would hide something other then them having actually caused what they are hiding... while the US government has it\'s issues, I have faith that nobody in it would cause such a  thing.

If you do watch the video, the part where it shows Pentagon camera footage of the impact, You will see the tail of an aircraft.

Sorry, I don\'t see it. Take a screenshot like Levski suggested?

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Yeah, that\'s a good point. The towers overshadowed the Pentagon alot more than it probobly would have if things played out without interference.

Uh... Since when did the media care about the Pentagon?  If the towers weren\'t hit, it would have gotten more coverage, but truthfully, the ratings weren\'t there so neither was the media.
The Military wouldn\'t make a big deal out of it anyway.  They have a job to do.

The Pentagon is the headquarters of national defense... you\'re saying that an attack on it would not bring about alot of media attention?

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Also, how is the confiscated video footage explained? How about a 757 flying 2 feet from the ground and over a highway? What about the witnesses? Though, on the same note, you\'re right, there is no proof that any of it is true. This is, after all, the internet and is full of mistruths. Although the movie is, atleast in my opinion, interesting regardless.

Nope, my dad sent it to me... It\'s a thinker.

I may be able to do the site. After all, with The Forsaken Ones biting the dust, I need something to do... atleast until CB comes where we might return. Check out The Forsaken One\'s site, if you like it get in touch. After all, the guild has been affiliated with the DA in one way or another for a while... I\'d be glad to help out.

This thread has gone every which way :-P Let\'s talk about cheesecake... cheesecake rocks!