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The Hydlaa Plaza / Re: 9/11 re-opened
« on: March 06, 2007, 03:40:48 am »But those questions have obvious answers. It's the difference between love and suffering. It's the difference between right and wrong.
What makes today so heartbreaking is the fact that given the choice, many people have chosen violence, suffering, exploitation, and murder. And humanity suffers as a result.* Xus dabs at his wettened eyes with a hankerchief.
You're a beautiful man, Zanzibar. A beautiful man.
Addressing Garile's post, though, I, too, don't see any real validity in the argument that pilots that untrained could not crash into the buildings. Seems easy enough; you just fly straight. And I know everyone is going to hop on my back, beat my bum with switches and say "It's not THAT easy!" and confessedly I do exaggerate... there is a LOT more to flying an ariplane than just "flying straight," but remember that these were terrorists that were clearly devoted, as they proved by being willing to die for their beliefs in the first place, so learning and practicing enough to have that sort of skill is no particularly large feat.
Plus, I imagine that, at the very least on other flights, there were a lot of testimonies as to the ethnicity of the culprits, and it's not like american pilots would be behind some of the hi-jackings and middle-eastern people behind others, so it's pretty incontrovertible that they were indeed middle-eastern terrorists hi-jacking the planes.
But where does this get us? Nowhere, really. For every argument, there is usually an equally compelling counter-argument, such as that the U.S. Government hired the Taliban to perform the attack. Regardless of whether or not that is even remotely near the truth, it is at least a valid possibility, and it didn't take too much imagination to come up with, so that essentially we're no nearer to discovering what really happened.
This is exactly why the White House needs Hillary Clinton in office! Men seem to be much too comfortable with not telling the truth. A woman probably wouldn't stand for it, all the lies, the deception...
P.S. A tad bit unrelated... but Zanzibar, is your name in reference to Metal Gear Sold???
@ Zanzibar: I wish right meant something again too! The sad thing is that power corrupts the mind. The taliban regimes have never cared about really any life. They strap bombs to men, women, children, and even animals. Life really means nothing to these people, only their selfish goals. I am always just baffled at what many people always do to one another. Dictators, the war pigs, always want a fight, even if it means the sacrificing of many lives. The people suffer, oh yes and their leaders spend more money on bombs and massively destructive weapons than they will ever spend on trying to even raise their coundtry out of the pit it is in. The reasons why these people do these things, well could be disputed for days. Yes your right its what is more important to the person given those choices. I wonder when the RACE! got taken out of the human race equation and many of us have become a species that doesnt focus on the survival and well being of OUR OWN KIND!!! >>. (I'm going on a tangent here so thats all i have on this)
@ Xus: With enough dedication and training yes people can pull off any feats. Just look at what the Nazis did with their propaganda, they snuffed out the lights of several Jews who were only trying to live and let be. Not all Nazis agreed with the sadistic nature of Adolf Hitler, but Hitler successfully brainwashed several germans into comitting crimes that many of them wouldn't have even imagined in the first place. The SS troops of Nazi germany went through the most sadistic training of all the Nazis. They were trained to loose their hearts and respond to every command the fuhrer issued without any questioning of the morality of it. So, It is a possibility that this was indeed a terrorist attack, because propaganda is a very powerful weapon that can influence the weak of mind to do terrible things. But this thread seems to be about questions that have arisen and well it would be great if we could get answers to them.
@ LARAGORN: Your analogy makes sense
. I am going to play with it further, If a doctor tells you something that doesnt sound right you should ask for a second opinion. I think it is a good thing to question, it brings often brings about change. I think much of the reason why countries ran by dictators are in their situation because if you question a dictator you get shot on sight. I also believe that the truth is there for the understanding. I really dont think its a bad thing to question what we are told (I do that alot of the time) It is also a possibility that we could be asking a a dentist his take on a problem with diabetes (analogy again).@ Xus: *shakes head and rubs eyes* O_o o_O. Can I get an overgeneralization stamp here? So your saying that all men are blatant liers? We have no moral backing? I will have to argue that point in very much detail.... but I will not do that here.
Also there are actually people who are trying to cover up for themselves by trying to debunk the Holocaust, insane i know. >> It was necessary for my post because i believe that conspiracy theorists, also have just as much the ability to lie and construe the evidence as the government does.
). Yet even still, it would be quite near impossible for the explosives to have been placed there in advance (and with the chaos of a quaking, evacuating building, it would indeed have to be in advance) without anyone seeing them during installation, or for the period of time afterward. Therefore, if explosives were indeed used (and I think someone said earlier in the thread that many people testified to having smelt explosives), then they were likely allowed to be installed, which further points to some kind of deeper premeditation than what we were all told. (Mind you I's not even CLOSE to stating that as fact, Parallo, just speculatin' 
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. The news has never told us exactly everything that goes on, half the time they put on THE WORLD IS DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on and expect us to watch it. Explosives being planted and detonated inside the two towers that were hit by airplanes would have taken much more preplanned knowledge of the attacks than just simple demolition work. They would have had to have known the precise day, the precise time, the precise location of the airplane crashes, and that there were going to be plane crashes in the first place. So, if this actually is a government conspiracy then we have the right to take up arms and take down the government! ( which i think Osama would be really happy about)
I dont know why the government would really want it to be demolished. If they did well that would be the biggest mistake in the history of the US.
they didnt even have an ask/accept system. If you dont want PVP the simple thing is going for the deny all. Like I said before, an arena would be nice 