It might be tough to implement a first person view where you could see your own character model properly, I have yet to see a game do it such that it was believable.  Several games I have played tried to do it, but it never felt natural, it always was like your view just pivoted on top of a character model with no head, it let you see your neck which cant really happen.  Most game devs think its a waste of time, or its not needed, so is a rare thing to see a first person view with your own model visible.  But like I said no one has yet gotten it right in my view, I doubt it would be worth the time of the devs to do something no one has ever done well before.

EDIT: Well Halo 2 would be a good example of one of the few games I have never played.

It seems I have run into an issue with the Ring of Familiar quest.  At the point in the quest when I am attempting to give the 10 diamonds to Levrus to complete the quest, it seems I am unable to do so.  

When I attempt to give him the  diamonds it gives me these messages:

popup messages in the middle of the screen
\"Trade complete\" (Green)
\"Levrus Dahrenn does not need that.\" (Red)

messages in the chat window
\"Levrus Dahrenn tells you: Wow, you found them! (etc, etc) The ring is ready. It\'s yours.\"
\">Fist does not fit in this slot.\"
\"Levrus Dahrenn tells you: Wow, you found them! (etc, etc) The ring is ready. It\'s yours.\"
\">Fist does not fit in this slot.\"


When I check my inventory after these messages, it seems my 10 diamonds are still there, and I have not recieved the ring.  Upon further checking I find it does properly detect that 10 have been offered, because when I do a number other than 10 it does the same popup messages, however the chat window messages do not appear.  This has happened every time I have tried to do this.  I have had other people confirm that it happens to them as well.

I did search high and low for another post regarding this topic, but I didnt find it here or even in the bugtracker. Hope that I am not posting on something that has already been covered.

from looking at all these posts and from my experiences with the problem, it seems the error is when you drop the potion on your 2d character in the inventory window, that you dont properly drop the potion off your cursor or something, because occasionally i will click on another stack of potions after i have used a potion and it will add one to the stack as if i was holding one, but my cursor didnt show one as i had just used it on myself, and occasionally when i get done with the battle and i just got done using a potion, if i click on the 3d environment it drops one as if i was holding one in my cursor when it didnt show one on my cursor

Im just giving my opinions about this mining system or any for that matter.  First of all, let me make said that ANY repetative action, no matter how complicated or unique, can be botted.  Any time where you can sit in one spot/one area you can bot it, no question about it.  My proposed solution to this nasty little problem would be to make it more involved and less repetative.  Make you do more things, not over and over but doing more different things to add to the realism/limit the possibility of botting.  I would suggest a system where you have to test the soil/search around and do some things before you are able to dig.  And I feel its kind of weird at the moment to have to know what your digging for, why not just dig a hole in the ground and find out what you get?  Why not make a system where you must search around and find a spot.  Then once you found that spot you could dig a bunch of ore out of it (like a vein of iron or something) then once you were done with the spot you would have to do a lot more searching to find another vein.  That would reduce the amount of botting a lot because of all the searching and interpreting of where the ore will be.  Something that would take human thought and reading of what you get back from the searching efforts to do.  But it would have to be rewarding after only doing it a little while, if it took too much time to do it would get boring and thus lead to more botting.

I suggest this method because of the fact that it makes you move and think about it.  No matter how many workarounds and stops you try to put to botting you implement if you dont have to move around then botting can be done.  And as I mentioned before if someone can do it but it doesnt take any thought at all, then a bot can easily be made to do it.  One thing bots have a hard time doing generally is thinking and interpreting visual information smartly.

C) Use MSYS to compile Crystal Space
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Run MSYS from the start menu to open the shell. And switch to the Crystal
Space source using \'cd /d/Development/cs\'. Now run (note that CS uses the
JAM utility instead of make)

.../configure --enable-debug --with-libcal3d=/d/development/cal3d/ --enable-new-renderer
jam

This will build the whole of Crystal Space with the associated libraries
and demo applications. You may need to run make several times to ensure
that all the dependencies are resolved. When everything has compiled,
try running some of the demo applications to check that everything is OK.

I got to the point where I used the ./configure command that is highlighted above.  I used that command and I let it run for a while and when it finished working, I found it had this error:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/I/n/Inferno4/mingwerror.bmp
http://bellsouthpwp.net/I/n/Inferno4/mingwerror.txt

ok for the skill bar thing:

For every skill you have no training in currently, you have a big yellow bar followed by a big red bar.
As you use PP and money at trainers, the yellow bar fills with a big green bar.  When the green bar totally fills the yellow bar, you have enough theoretical experience to start learning some practical experience.  So, when the green totally fills the yellow bar, and the blue bar goes away for that skill, and all that is left is green and red, you have to go out and use that skill till the green fills the entire bar.  Once that happens you rank up, you get one more added to the number beside the bar.  And the yellow and red bars return.  The little blue bar is how much theoretical experience you can get if you spend all of your current PP\'s.  And when you are done learning the theoretical experience for that rank of that skill the blue bar disappears leaving only the green and red bars.

Hope that helps some.

I know this thread is dated, but this seems to be where I am having my problems.  I followed the compiling-mingw32.txt very closely so far and I have done everything exactly as it has mentioned.  That is untill I got to the compliling of CS.  When I did the ./configure with all the parameters it went through till then end when it was executing the jam.exe commands, but then it gave me this nice little error: failed to build jam, please install manually.  I have tried this multiple times as the document suggested, but that didnt help any.  And I am unsure of what the problem is.  I run on Windows 2000 Prof.  And as far as I can tell I have done everything exactly as it asked for in the documentation so far.

All that means is they either added a faulty call to a library file or didnt call it correctly or something, it shouldnt be hard to fix so hopefully they will fix it and tell us what to do soon, but right now lets let them do their work, they seem to be good at doing that