9/11 Pentagon - Plane or Missile?

[Monketh]

Originally posted by FESFES
You have got to keep in mind he reasons I posted it before you call it spam.  
1 innocent people died on 9/11 2001 and it was the 3 year aniversery.  
2 this thread was on 9/11 and I wanted to remind people that this wasnt some game they where talking about when they called the pentagon thing a bomb. I wanted them to remember that this really happend and that real people died
3 It was my was of showing my respect to the dead
4 a reality check for those who say \"the us sucks and osama should do it again\" (and , yes, people do think that)
deleting a list of people who died would be very disrespectful and im guessing thats why moggie or  anyone else didnt delet it

I can not be completely sure if you seriously did think you were contributing something or being respectful,
...or just adding *+1* to post count.

In either case, you are correct that deleting it straight-out would be considered at least mildly disrespectful, but mods are sneaky (in a good way), and could either compensate for it with another of your posts, or edit it in to an earlier post...

As for people saying it should be done again, they\'re either so leftist they\'re stupid (as being a member of the KKK would be an opposite example, so right-wing they\'re stupid), or are arabs-miltants/islamic extremists themselves.

@Seytra: I\'ll get back to you and the rest of the community on, eh...  Friday, I think.

[TheTaintedSoul]

I found this in another forum and just couldn\'t resist posting it here . And no i dont want to link the iraq war to the nazis. Just thought it might be interesting.

\"Of course the people don\'t want war. But after all, it\'s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it\'s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it\'s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.\"
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Hermann Goering, Hitler\'s #2 man

The source: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm

About the use of nuclears on Japan the following site gives a constructive version that claims that a better cultural understanding between the west and Japan might have led to a better solution:
http://www.doug-long.com/hiroshim.htm

[steuben]

reagan national controllers then vectored an unarmed national guard c-130h cargo aircaft, which had just taken off enroute to minnesota, to identify and follow the suspicious aircraft. the c-130h pilot spotted it, identifed it as a boeing 757, attempted to follow its path, and at 9:38, seconds after impact, reported to the control tower: \"looks like that aircraft crashed into the pentagon sir.\"

pg 25, the 9/11 commission report

[kbilik]

Where are you getting this info, steuben? I looked on page 25 (out of 585) of the complete 9/11 commission report at http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm   but couldn\'t find what you were referring to.

Don\'t get me wrong, the report clearly states that a plane hit the pentagon, but I want to make sure to find your qoute.

[steuben]

hmm. mines only 567 count chapter notes at the end.

the paper backedition isbn 0-393-32671-3

section 1.2 about halfway through that section. aa flight 77; faa awareness

the location should be fairly close on the on line version

[leji]

Dont vote for bush please, but dont vote for Kerry either !
Find something else ! Make things change because it looks like your little GI joes prevented the two french hostages to be freed yesterday !
Bah, it\'s useless, just try to think about what should be the real place of USA in the world but without thinking that you\'re clever than the rest of the world ...

[Kiern]

Originally posted by leji
Dont vote for bush please, but dont vote for Kerry either !

Don\'t tell people who not to vote for.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by leji
Dont vote for bush please, but dont vote for Kerry either !
Find something else ! Make things change because it looks like your little GI joes prevented the two french hostages to be freed yesterday !
Bah, it\'s useless, just try to think about what should be the real place of USA in the world but without thinking that you\'re clever than the rest of the world ...

You realise the third option is Ralph Nader, do you not?
You also realize that the most he\'ll get is 5%, right?
I think he advocates leaving Iraq the moment he\'s in office.  N.G.

I have waffled over to the Kerry camp after watching the presidential \"debate\".  In either case, both want to do some really stupid things.  What I worry about most with Kerry is that he\'ll go overboard with federal spending on charity-style social programs.  What I worry about with Bush is/was the pursuit of bunker-busting mini-nukes.  Both of them want to do what they think is right for america, however they are both mistaken on things.  
American politicians will not attempt to change the system any time soon.  (I wish they would, of course.  Perhaps I should become a politician myself to try to make that happen.)

(...Eh, NG == Not Good.  I play waaaay too much DDR.)

[leji]

Originally posted by Kiern
Don\'t tell people who not to vote for.

It was not my purpose, I\'m just trying to explain that from my point of view they are both the same, I have seen what Bush is able to do, so I guess Kerry would be just as good as him... I would be quite depressed if we would have to wait another 4 years for an american president who would want to care of his own people instead of other countries ...

[TheTaintedSoul]

It is a bit offtopic, but how does the political system of the usa work? I thought there were only two parties at first, yet you also have Ralph Nader with his party. Are the democrats and republicans so powerfull that other parties don\'t stand a chance?

Just curious

[Monketh]

OK, basically this:

The two main parties are the Democrats (Liberal/left-wing), and the Republicans (Conservative/Right-wing).
There are other isolated, smaller parties that the average person does not know about.  This is because they care about only one issue.  If they presented a more viable alternative, they might be heard about more often. *shrugs*

Each state has a set number of electoral votes based its\' population.  If the state is won, all its\' votes go to the winning candidate.

Ralphie has several of the smaller parties supporting him.

Edit: Keep in mind that a moderate party can not exist because there is nothing for them to detest with all their souls.  They only detest half-way, and since they see both sides of the argument, they often get bested.  Most parties are united because they are completely opposed to another party or other parties.  Someone should still try, though.