The sun rises..A new day!

[Draklar]

No violence, standing back until evil attacks... all Aliathi\'s lies!
Evil is always opressing! Gathering forces by turning folk onto the dark path. Making cunning plans of attack and spreading its roots all across the land. And tell me, how do ye plan to weed it from evil, once it\'s a strong part of the world?
The forces of darkness are not just mindless creatures roaming the depths of the world! No, they\'re cunning and from what I see, way more clear minded than the forces of light. Evil will not stand back, nor will it strike on random moment. It\'ll strike once you\'re weakened or the darkness itself is in its greatest glory.
And yet you have the nerve to call someone who sees through mist and shadows, the another form of darkness. You all are blinded by foolish hopes and Aliathi\'s promises. If nothing changes, you will suffer in the end. And just think, all you loved, all you stood for will be destroyed just because ye refused to attack when the time was right. Do you want to take that risk? Will you be able to look at yourselves once that happens? Remember that where evil has plans... you have only hopes.

May the Grungir be on the side of light, for I do not see any glitters of hope in the ways of yours.

[Draageos]

@ Draklar

Quote: Originally posted by Draklar
No violence, standing back until evil attacks... all Aliathi\'s lies! [etc]

Being a Defender I feel a certain responsibility to address your comment..

Who are we to assume something evil..
We will be no better than the ones we fight if we lash out at everything we deem evil.
A pre-emptive strike against evil will be one made out of fear not necessarily one of just...

Not saying that we should wait and do nothing
We will take precautions and be prepared - and let their actions prove their heart - if that be black, then I will promptly deal with it... Not before - Because I believe in free will, and will not force people to choose good
I will do my best to convince them of the folly of evil and the self-evident reason to defend good, but if you deprive a person the choice of being evil you deprive the same man the choice of being good - which is probably one of the worst things you could do.

[Draklar]

Who are we to assume something evil?
The men with conscience!

How can you swear to fight evil, if you do not understand what it is?
How can you swear to defend people, if you do not know from whom?
How can you be proud of who you are, if your life depends on actions of the evil ones?

I\'ve seen many forces of darkness corrupting hearts of folk of Yliakum. They openly stated their agression against the light!
Stay a blindman and fail to see it
Stay a coward and refuse to see it

This is where you decide about your destiny. You can stay just a simple warrior, fighting only when it\'s necessary. Or become a warrior of clear heart, one that can tell good from evil, one that will do everything to oppose forces of darkness.

Just remember,

It\'s not the sword
that makes a warrior true
if you think your muscles do
you don\'t have a clue
It\'s a matter of integrity
trust and loyalty
It\'s to know about wrong or right
that makes you a knight!

If you truly are a knight, you will know who to fight. But if you ever stop hunting down the darkness, you are nothing but a disgrace to the good name of those brave warriors.
You\'re free to decide who you are, but keep in mind that if you don\'t change your ways, you in no way will be a knight.

Oh, and as a founder of Defenders, I have to say that I\'m disappointed of what I see. Defenders\' role was to stand agressive against the darkness. That\'s the way of heroes and paladins...


And don\'t listen to Aliathi... she spreads lies that will blind noble warriors.

Do not fight out of hatred - for that will destroy you.
Do fight for everything you love - for that will bring you to glory.

[Draageos]

Ouch!
Yes I may not be the best to represent the ideals of the Defenders, and I do not assume to know the lot
Though you should not judge the Defenders as a whole on an impression based on me..
It wouldn\'t be fair and it wouldn\'t be true... You know Golmir and Zabeal, and probably a hell of lot better than I do - you know what they stand for...

How can you swear to fight evil, if you do not understand what it is?

As a Defender I swore to defend the people of Yliakum against evil and root it out if need be

How can you swear to defend people, if you do not know from whom?

I never claimed to be neither dumb nor blind

How can you be proud of who you are, if your life depends on actions of the evil ones?

My life depend on the actions of the evil ones?

I\'ve seen many forces of darkness corrupting hearts of folk of Yliakum. They openly stated their agression against the light!

That evil I will deal with in an appropriate manner... If they are corrupting the hearts of the citizens there is no doubt in my mind that it is vital to our cause that it is brought to an end

If defending people\'s right to choose the path of evil is in conflict with being a knight - ....

You think that I may not be a true knight of good
That saddens me... Coming from one such as you

Btw I\'m no follower of Aliathi, to my knowledge not many defenders are

[DepthBlade]

Aye Draklar things will get done the way we see them best, well not \"We\" because as it has already been stated their will be no offensive by certain guilds! As for only calling out certain people, I said everyone with \"Good-Will\", so that means if your neutral and you feel strongly against whats happening...come on down..if your just some freelancer like me...come on down!

   I think some things are mistaken here, I am not any solider..leader..or member of another guild...not a Knight...just a man doing what I can..

  If hatred guides my power...then let it guide me! As long as I am using it against guilds such as Cabal, M.M, IT..there is no problem..and if I one day turn because my hatred has taken control of me then I would expect you to hunt me down >.<

[Hadfael]

Originally posted by Draklar
...
Oh, and as a founder of Defenders, I have to say that I\'m disappointed of what I see. Defenders\' role was to stand agressive against the darkness. That\'s the way of heroes and paladins...
...

We are still standing, but not agressive.

Maybe is it your agressivity that throwed you in the arms of evil. Now I bet you know evil more than we do.

We don\'t fear evil. Not that we underestimate its number and perverted plans to overcome Yliakum.

We are not here to use evil methods to fight evil. Our strength is in friendship and honor. This won\'t be harmed by any evil. To stronger threats we respond to closer friendship.

The Defenders goal is to defend our friends and allies in the honorable way by removing every evil action from Yliakum. The task is huge but we will use a methodical determination to stop every evil threat from the strongest to the weakest with no exception.

So why not attack everyone who calls himself \"evil\"?
Because, as I said, we can\'t underestimate the forces and various ways of evil. We are not here to dissipate our forces in desperate fights for the imaginary glory of an useless death.
What\'s really changed since you left the Defenders, is that we prefer a living hero. Throwing ourselves in a battle must be the way to defend the light. What\'s the use of exploring the death realm when the world is lost in the hands of evil? We are ready to die in battle if it can serve the light and our friends.
You created a guild named \"Defenders\" not \"Martyrs\".

The funny thing about this thread, is that evil is always claiming: \"Don\'t underestimate us!\"...After all, it\'s underestimating the Good people. So in return, I claim \"Don\'t underestimate the Good warriors \"

[Phinehas]

*Phinehas looks around condescendingly.*

Ahh, what a relief to be neutral. None of the exhausting zeal of the good, none of the downright foolishness of the evil. *Looks at Icefalcon.* Am I right, or am I right?

Of course, doesn\'t mean I don\'t get to have my own personal enemies....

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Golmir
We are not here to dissipate our forces in desperate fights for the imaginary glory of an useless death.
What\'s really changed since you left the Defenders, is that we prefer a living hero.

Oh no, I can clearly say you prefer \"no hero\".
Being a hero means that you\'re ready to die for what you believe in. \"Hero\" has many faces, but your deffinition of \"living hero\" is not one of them. If you weren\'t afraid to die, you could unite to defeat evil, I\'m sure forces of good are larger at the moment. It\'s only you who do not wish to make a move and wait to die while \"defending\" your own lives.
Bards do not sing songs about warriors who fought defending their homes. They sing about heroes who were sworn to fight evil and were ready to die for their quest. Memory of their brave deeds will be passed from father to son, giving sparkle of hope and will to fight for freedom.
That\'s what glory is about.

[DepthBlade]

Originally posted by Draklar
Bards do not sing songs about warriors who fought defending their homes. They sing about heroes who were sworn to fight evil and were ready to die for their quest. Memory of their brave deeds will be passed from father to son, giving sparkle of hope and will to fight for freedom.
That\'s what glory is about.

*raises his arms in a joyous motion* Aye!! Listen to what Draklar says and raise your swords to the enemies throat and cut them before they come for you! Would you rather the fight come to your walls...in letting that happen you will risk the lives of so many innocent who are near by during your defensive campaign. You want to protect them as much as I do so why not take the road and meet up at their bases...their hide aways...Do you think they will just up and decide..My time of being evil is over, I shall now put down my weapon and join you...Nooo..They are evil and even the enemy has its own honor in doing things..

[Jadd]

I prefer a hero who values his own life as much as he values others. From my perspective, a true hero isn\'t one who \"dies in glory\", but one who can solve problems without bloodshed. A person who don\'t even need to draw his or her sword to win a battle, and whoms personality is stronger than any weapon.
Know that you can hurt a man ten times more with words, than with a sword. With swords you can break their body, but with words you can break their very soul.

Fighting is the lowest form of conversation. If you want to sink to their level, then do, but fighting only leads to more fighting, and eventually you will be no better than the people you\'re fighting against.

[Draklar]

Ah, thank you Jadd... you changed my way of thinking... let\'s all throw our swords away and hope that Seperot will become a good kitty... and if he tries to stab us with katana, let\'s just call him a jerk and damage his evil soul...
Hey, we don\'t need to use swords, we\'ll just defeat evil with personality!
And here\'s the best part: We\'ll have so much fun seeing as forces of darkness will be killing our families because we never trained our fighting skill. No, wait... we won\'t see that because evil isn\'t dumb, it\'s cunning... it won\'t fight head on, but cut our throats while we\'re asleep.

...

Nay, I think I\'ll stay true warrior honoring brothers who stood before me.
And you know what is funny? That DepthBlade will be the hero saving your lifes while you\'ll be helpless folk trying to save themselves from overwhelming darkness.

[Draageos]

You say that you are a knight... You\'re starting to remind more of a thug with good intent.
You let your fear guide you and cut of the hand of your allies because they do not throw their lives away against evil... There is no honour in that \"hero\".

Originally posted by Draklar
This is where you decide about your destiny. You can stay just a simple warrior, fighting only when it\'s necessary. Or become a warrior of clear heart, one that can tell good from evil, one that will do everything to oppose forces of darkness.

You would do everything?
- Would you sell your own soul?
- Would you sacrifice innocents to save others?

[Hadfael]

The bards don\'t usualy sing the story of the losers.

Suicide is not my definition of an heroic death.
Let the true evil use suicide commandos of stupid followers. The Good heroes might show theyr value in these time.
Every self called \"evil\" is welcome to offer us some training.

If I understand you Draklar_the_one_who_gave_up, you think we should go to war against evil without waiting. I see your point. Feel free to attack alone in a desperate fight. We\'ll be here to help you and the Mirth might sing songs about your victories or your death.
Attacking is not always the best way of defense. Only one way.
So, once again, no sacrifice is needed if it doesn\'t help you to get closer to the final victory.
Just let the evil think like you that we are weak. Our duty is to stand. And if we have to make the first move to fight evil, we will. But only if it\'s not in a useless pseudo-heroic suicide.

[Draklar]

If being honorable and wishing to destroy what\'s evil is worthy of a thug, then yes, I\'m a thug.
I\'m not putting fancy titles on myself. I\'m a warrior true to myself and my life.

but just a reminder: Paladin is the one who will hunt evil with no mercy, yet won\'t do backstabbing deeds.
What you\'re trying to say is that paladin is a thug with good intent.



And don\'t be childish, you know what I meant :O


ah fine, you\'re free to do whatever you want. I tried to help, show you the rightfull path, the legacy of brave heroes. But you wish to stand back. It\'s your decision.
And you may think that these songs are about losers, but...

There\'s A Sound Heard Across The Land
It\'s Heard Across The Sea
You\'ll Only Hear It If You Listen With Your Heart
And One Day Hope To Be Free
To Hear The Sound Of Freedom Many Gave Their Lives
They Fought For You And Me
Those Memories Will Always Live Inside Us
And now It\'s Our Time To Be Free

They were brave men, who only dreamed to give freedom to others. It\'s sad that you consider them losers.

[Hadfael]

So here is the conclusion:
You are the only Good warrior around.
Ok.
May you have luck in your fights. And if you need help, in a last whisper, call the ones you disregarded. We will respond, not for glory, but because your life might worth more in our eye than in yours.