The Arcane Order!

[Draklar]

Originally posted by windwalker
and what is wrong with being a snob?

That if you\'re a snob with no style, you become lame... look at Druke\'s sig for a good example...

Now stop it everyone;

Levski, Phinehas: You make yourselves look n00bish
AO: You make yourselves look utterly lame

To think I used to consider AO the best guild around :rolleyes:

[karakth]

We don\'t have a monopoly on mages...Need I mention that many, many, many guilds have Magic departments?

Also, the AO and the MA are fundamentally different. MA being an organization and AO being a guild, there is no reason why, for example, a person cannot be a member of both.

As for us being snobs...Why is it that I hear this so often? Because we\'re invite-only? The newly-implemented system allowing guests to sign the guestbook and create an account will be used for people wishing to join. Anyone can sign up. Or maybe it\'s because we don\'t jump into every offer of alliance made to us? I am sure you are all smart enough to understand that an alliance is a heavy oath to take. Or maybe because we believe the way and reason we practice magic to be superior to others? I wish to clear this up; there have been many misinterpretations to this. It does not a comment on our level of skill in spellcasting, but our ethics of spellcasting. While others might pursue the Arcane Arts to add a \"magic muscle\" in their fighting, or indeed for any other advantage, we research magic for the sake of it. Our goal is to fully understand magic in Yliakum and perhaps even on other planes of existence. We believe this to be a pure and superior approach to magic; but that is just what we believe. Different churches have different approaches to the same religions; we have a different approach to magic. Obviously if we did not think it superior, we would not follow it.

Of course, there might be some other reason we are deemed snobs, and I for one would be eager to hear what the community has to say; please do point out to us where you percieve us snobbing something or other, there\'s no need to beat around the bush and make abstract comments about snobbery. We need to know what you think we\'re doing wrong before we fix it.

I also have a few comments which I wish to make about the MA, but I will post those in the relevant thread later.

[Phinehas]

It\'s really amusing watching you guys tear me to pieces while I\'m not around.

Let me make my official stand clear.

First of all, yes, I have a personal feud against AO. It is ic only.

Second, what bothers me about the library part of AO is not the fact that they opened it to all. In fact, I\'m glad for them. I believe there is room for both of us. After all, what city the size of Hydlaa would have only one library? What bothers me is that they acted like snobs, and generally told me I was a jerk for suggesting a public library. In all honesty, I did call them snobs, and perhaps said some other things that I regret. However, I still believe that they could\'ve mentioned the fact that they were considering a public library. That probably would have solved the whole problem.

Thirdly, as already mentioned, the Athanaeum of Magic is an organization. Yes, there will probably be some rivalry between the AO and AM, but that is not to be helped.

[druke]

Originally posted by Phinehas
What bothers me is that they acted like snobs, and generally told me I was a jerk for suggesting a public library. In all honesty, I did call them snobs, and perhaps said some other things that I regret.

ok so for calling you a jerk because you called us snobs is snobbish


you know, no one can give us a stright answer as to why we\'re snobs everyone seems to have the large illusion about us, it is not true.

someone give me a decent answer so that i may reply and react , you have two counilors begging to know how we can better our guild.

edit:

That if you\'re a snob with no style, you become lame... look at Druke\'s sig for a good example...

ok...sorry for having a sence of humor, i posted that since this is what everyone seems to believe. And i myself think its quite funny.

ps.Draklar i thought you left ps...

[Draklar]

Originally posted by druke
ok...sorry for having a sence of humor, i posted that since this is what everyone seems to believe. And i myself think its quite funny.

oh... yea, now I find that funny... because when Tepsu did something that everyone seemed to believe, as a result you and Sep went off rebelling against him
How do they call it? Hypocrisy?

[druke]

theres just  tiny difference in what i am doing and what tepsu did, jsut a tiny one...

besides the word rebel is quite an open term, bah, whatever thats an old subject and doesn\'t need to be brought up in this thread.

[Xalthar]

I just read through the thread on our forums in which you, Phineas, initially proposed a thread between CE and AO.. We started out questioning your motives, and after Illyria showed you how we handled alliances, you slowly became more and more hostile, ending up with you, when confronted with the fact that we didn\'t allow non-ao members to submit writings to our library, calling us snobs.

Oh and let\'s not forget that was after whining about the spelling in the existing stories, and your proclamation of being able to do a much better job at spelling yourself.

We are a guild, you join us and you get certain benefits.. Benefits of social quality are the only ones we can provide at the moment, what with CB not out yet.. So our library was one of these qualities that you had to be a member to participate in and to read certain parts of it.

We had realised before then, and were actually discussing wether or not to make it public in our council forums before you came suggesting it at our forums.. Let\'s just say you gave us a nudge in the \"right\" direction.

I\'m not out to get you or flame you or anything, I\'m just unhappy with the way people have been spreading nonsense and lies about the AO as a whole, when you most likely don\'t know any of us!

Please, get to know the next guild a bit more before you start calling us snobs.

Spinning webs of lies and deceit is low. Making a library open to the public isn\'t.

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by Xalthar
I just read through the thread on our forums in which you, Phineas, initially proposed a thread between CE and AO.. We started out questioning your motives, and after Illyria showed you how we handled alliances, you slowly became more and more hostile, ending up with you, when confronted with the fact that we didn\'t allow non-ao members to submit writings to our library, calling us snobs.

Just in case, let\'s let people make their own conclusions shall we? Reading through it again, I have no qualms supporting what I said. Here\'s the thread if anyone wants to check it out.


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Oh and let\'s not forget that was after whining about the spelling in the existing stories, and your proclamation of being able to do a much better job at spelling yourself.
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I can. I\'ll also have you note that I offered to help with that. More than once, I might add.

We are a guild, you join us and you get certain benefits.. Benefits of social quality are the only ones we can provide at the moment, what with CB not out yet.. So our library was one of these qualities that you had to be a member to participate in and to read certain parts of it.

We had realised before then, and were actually discussing wether or not to make it public in our council forums before you came suggesting it at our forums.. Let\'s just say you gave us a nudge in the \"right\" direction.

And so.... you were rude to me? You could\'ve said you were considering it, but that it just hadn\'t happened yet. I would\'ve accepted that.

I\'m not out to get you or flame you or anything, I\'m just unhappy with the way people have been spreading nonsense and lies about the AO as a whole, when you most likely don\'t know any of us!

Please, get to know the next guild a bit more before you start calling us snobs.

Spinning webs of lies and deceit is low. Making a library open to the public isn\'t.

I never said it was. And as for knowing the guild. Let me point out that there was a time in which I would have liked to join. So not everything I say comes from preconceived ideas. There was a time that I thought you guys were the greatest. As for spinning webs of lies and deceit. If that\'s referring to me, then it\'s nonsense.

Originally posted by Druke
ok...sorry for having a sence of humor, i posted that since this is what everyone seems to believe. And i myself think its quite funny.

Now that I respect. Standing up for yourself in the face of opposition is admirable.

[Xalthar]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Just in case, let\'s let people make their own conclusions shall we? Reading through it again, I have no qualms supporting what I said. Here\'s the thread if anyone wants to check it out.

I agree that Windwalker might have been a bit rash, but if you got to know him before making remarks about us (including him) being snobbish, or thinking yourself better at spelling than others (not saying you aren\'t) you\'d see that he is a wonderful guy...

I can.

Prove it. as SnowWolf said you could rewrite the stuff and PM it to a councilmember, he\'d look it through and if he deemed it worthy he\'d edit the story with your spelling corrections...

And so.... you were rude to me? You could\'ve said you were considering it, but that it just hadn\'t happened yet. I would\'ve accepted that.

Rude? I\'d like you to point out what parts you see as rude, and please take your own response and snobbishness into consideration...  Yes, I would consider an outsider proclaiming himself the better speller in a guild of mages a snob

I never said it was. And as for knowing the guild. Let me point out that there was a time in which I would have liked to join. So not everything I say comes from preconceived ideas. There was a time that I thought you guys were the greatest. As for spinning webs of lies and deceit. If that\'s referring to me, then it\'s nonsense.

At the time you wanted to join us, you didn\'t know any of us... You still don\'t, so calling us snobs is really based upon nothing, but the replies in the forum thread, and quite frankly I agree with the people I\'ve heard label you as an \"annoying n00b\".

Now, if you\'d stop spamming the thread with silly arguments, I\'d like to end this rather pointless debate.

[windwalker]

I agree that Windwalker might have been a bit rash, but if you got to know him before making remarks about us (including him) being snobbish, or thinking yourself better at spelling than others (not saying you aren\'t) you\'d see that he is a wonderful guy...

LOL, im killing myself laughing here ... wonderful guy...



although i might have been a bit hasty... but then the guild was also upside-down at that point and you where getting on my nerves.

and to use that age old childish arguement.... YOU STARTED IT!

[lynx_lupo]

*ajow ajow* I wont even start.  :rolleyes: ph

Back on topic: great! I think... uhm, probably. It will get useful when there will actually be some more writers out/in there.

Nothing is better for the end user than concurrence(sm?) - production just gets better and more accessible.

[Xalthar]

Originally posted by windwalker

I agree that Windwalker might have been a bit rash, but if you got to know him before making remarks about us (including him) being snobbish, or thinking yourself better at spelling than others (not saying you aren\'t) you\'d see that he is a wonderful guy...

LOL, im killing myself laughing here ... wonderful guy...

well calling you an illiterate bastard would have ruined my argument somewhat

[Phinehas]

Ok, I\'m not going to bother replying to that. Except to say that one day you\'ll regret calling me n00bish.

So, out of interest, do you guys accept writing on anything? Or just stuff pertaining to the arcane?

[Xalthar]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Ok, I\'m not going to bother replying to that. Except to say that one day you\'ll regret calling me n00bish.

Keep in mind I was not the one calling you a n00b, I merely agreed with the ones doing so.. And from the above statement I\'ll have to agree even more with the general oppinion, I mean seriously come on.. I\'m choking from laughter here!

So, out of interest, do you guys accept writing on anything? Or just stuff pertaining to the arcane?

Litterature describing things of arcane matter, or your own personal story and experiences with magic are most welcome in our library. We would like all the writings to be in character and, of course, written by yourself as far as possible..

[lynx_lupo]

written by yourself as far as possible..

But not any further!    

I think he wanted to say: do not to copy \"your\" texts from Morrowind.