Rebirth

[TheRedMonk]

Who said Rebirth is facing its five enemies all alone? There are other guilds out there that believe in smiting the evil guys and I personally got some unfinished business with the Cabal...so they are not alone.

[DepthBlade]

Originally posted by Merdarion
I don\'t want to make myself Enemys, but I do really ask if this guild is good. You seem to do things only to feed your pride. Going around Hackin all, that\'s evil.
And Depthblade, do you really think your pretty little guild is going to survive a war against five enemies(which will end up in a five - front war)

Just want to say something;
Pride goes before a fall.

Or to talk as Yoda:
before a fall goes Pride

*Gives Tybalt a High Five*

Merdarion - Maybe your lacking knowledge in RP, but as Chaotic Good Guild I am doing everything I should be doing. I am living up to my character and my guilds goals. As for surviving who said we are alone..until you learn the real scale of things keep your petty comments to yourself or join a \"Evil\" guild and I will kill you myself!

OOC: If you want Yoda\'s perspective on everything go play star wars

[Syzerian]

The dark side is strong young padawan, much to learn you have. Begun, the guild wars have.
I just had to

[Merdarion]

Originally posted by DepthBlade

Originally posted by Merdarion
I don\'t want to make myself Enemys, but I do really ask if this guild is good. You seem to do things only to feed your pride. Going around Hackin all, that\'s evil.
And Depthblade, do you really think your pretty little guild is going to survive a war against five enemies(which will end up in a five - front war)

Just want to say something;
Pride goes before a fall.

Or to talk as Yoda:
before a fall goes Pride

*Gives Tybalt a High Five*

Merdarion - Maybe your lacking knowledge in RP, but as Chaotic Good Guild I am doing everything I should be doing. I am living up to my character and my guilds goals. As for surviving who said we are alone..until you learn the real scale of things keep your petty comments to yourself or join a \"Evil\" guild and I will kill you myself!

OOC: If you want Yoda\'s perspective on everything go play star wars

Well, maybe I\'m wrong, BUT ASFAIK being chaotic good, doesn\'t mean being deaf, and running into an open knife is actually deaf. I just want to say: Do one thing after another. You will be much more succesful if you take out all evil guilds over a long time, than trying to make that in a short time. You\'d loose.

Just a little question: Is War good?

my answer: no.

example: If your fight\'s are going to take place in settled places, what do you think would your enemies do to normal people, that get inbetween the fight (if you cannot imagine --> They will slaughter them, hey, they are evil.) and then I will try to heal those who survived (won\'t be many).

Mabe try some Guerilla war.

And I won\'t join an evil guild because i\'ll also play a good char, I just wanted to prevent you running into a knife, but I can\'t do anything other than giving you advices.

p.s.:I\'m playing P&P - RP for more than four years, and if there is one thing i\'ve learned, it is that things aren\'t just black or white and nothing\'s just black or just white, and before I\'ll get into real trouble I\'ll shut up

[DepthBlade]

Ok I am not going to argue with you anymore, if you want to start a Chaotic Good guild and run things go ahead. The way I have planned is the way we shall do things, and nothing is concrete we might just randomly change tactics to benefit us in our goal of victory over \"Evil\". We are Chaotic Good and war is the way we settle things. Our goals are for the good but our tactics might not be..thats why we are Chaotic Good. Some may say Chaotic Good sucks..but I say \"I am not going to listen no matter what they say!\" -Chaotic Good

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Merdarion
Just a little question: Is War good?

my answer: no.

*stares in disbelief*
You\'ve got to be kidding. You can\'t condemn \"war\" as evil, no matter what. I can list countless of scenarios when war is a good thing.

1) Slaves under oppression. They decide to revolt against the tyrant and win their freedom. Is that... evil? To want to live in freedom and peace, and to do something about it?

2) Invasion of barbarians. Your home is under attack. Do you sit there and watch it burn? Or do you go out and fight? Is that evil? To protect your home?

3)You have been treated unjustly. Someone has robbed you, and a large group is defending the thief. Do you sit there and let him get away with it? Or do you gather your friends and bring justice?

See, war is not evil, it is only evil when it has evil intentions. Rebirth\'s goal is to destroy evil, to win freedom from the tyrants. How is that evil? It\'s not. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that the chaotic could be removed and have Rebirth as a \"good\" guild.

[Fish]

After reading most of the threads I can tell you\'re pretty serious about it being a good guild.  However, I\'m seeing that it\'s more neutral than chaotic.  It seems to be built into the mission statement.  It would seem that chaotic good is more random.  For instance, you would right wrongs when you see it instead of it being a main thrust.    I would think it would be more of a random act of goodness thing.  

I think a classic example of this was I was reading a little blurb that moogie wrote stating that she had randomly married some guy without telling him about it.  That seems pretty chaotic to me.  And the guild might be better going on that thought to hit the chaotic level you\'re looking for.  

Just a thought,

[Exaero_Fiero]

IMHO... What is the difference between good and evil if good is basically starting the war, while swearing to bring evil to its knees?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Icefalcon

Originally posted by Merdarion
Just a little question: Is War good?

my answer: no.

*stares in disbelief*
You\'ve got to be kidding. You can\'t condemn \"war\" as evil, no matter what. I can list countless of scenarios when war is a good thing.

See, that\'s what happens if you remain closed-minded (in this case thinking war is good because you\'re on the \"good team\", and they\'re on the \"bad team\"). You treat things with disbelief.
Of course war is evil. Just by deffinition, evil is \"that which causes harm or destruction or misfortune\". But should the assumption be it is wrong to fight wars? See, here\'s the funny part, because that\'s closed-mindness as well. \'Evil\' does not equal \'wrong\'.

But some do not consider war as evil, and set their own deffinitions of \"evil\". It usually means then something along lines of \"Intention to harm others\". And two problems begin here:
1) You rarely can be sure what one\'s intentions are.
2) Intentions do not harm by themselves, thus can not be evil (only actions can). \"Evil intentions\" is just short for \"Intentions to do evil\".

Combined together it makes it wrong to fight someone for the assumed intentions as a form of fighting evil.

There\'s also another problem caused by fanatism. People would be considered evil just for criticizing one\'s ways or, for example, standing in defense of husband who happens to be a thief.

But would that thief be evil in the first place? What if he steals from rich to make sure his family wouldn\'t starve?
Wouldn\'t that be chaotic-good? Just like Robin Hood stole from rich to help the poor.

Alignments are another thing because thief could not be considered chaotic-evil as long as he doesn\'t steal just for the suffering of others.
He would be hunted down because of doing \"unjust\" thing. But so would be killing him.

One could say killing is giving lesson for stealing. But what if money he stole, belonged to a guy who got them thanks to corruption? Wouldn\'t that be giving a lesson as well?

Of course that\'s lots of thinking before one could consider something \"evil\". Thus it ends up in hunting down those who just might be evil. It\'s much easier.

All in all fighting evil is just turning away attention from what really should be fought: corruption, greed, falsehood...

To end my rant, I\'d like to say once again:
If you\'re good - fight for what you love, not against what you hate.

I won\'t stand in defense of my opinions, this is just for self consideration.

- Swords

[Icefalcon]

All in all fighting evil is just turning away attention from what really should be fought: corruption, greed, falsehood...

Corruption, greed, falsehood, pride... that is evil. Thats is at the heart and is the source of all evil. War against evil is not evil.

If you\'re good - fight for what you love, not against what you hate.

If you are good - protect what you love, fight evil.

I can see what you are saying though. It does depend on what a person\'s definition of evil is, but my former statements are what I believe.

Note: This is totally OOC. IC, I am impartial.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Icefalcon
Corruption, greed, falsehood, pride... that is evil.

I see you don\'t intend to open your mind. I guess I won\'t convince you that evil does not equal wrong (and pride isn\'t wrong, it is right to be proud of who you are), so no point in arguing.
Just want to give few examples:
Corruption: Politician gets bribed to vote for a good thing.
Greed: As above
Falsehood: Someone makes religion based on false statements, but it actually inspires some people to do good (yes, I\'m giving Aliathi for example! ).

War against evil is not evil.

You see your blade cut off his head
Another father ends up dead
No time to think who will miss him at nights
Another slash and someone\'s husband dies

See the fear in their eyes
\"Their lines are scattered, hunt them down!\"
None were left alive to tell their wives

Indeed, not evil at all

If you are good - protect what you love, fight evil.

misinterpretation of \"eternal fight of good and evil\", look at Followers of Aliathi to see what it really means.

I can see what you are saying though. It does depend on what a person\'s definition of evil is

Actually I\'m saying that making one\'s own deffinitions is simply silly

- Swords

[DepthBlade]

OOC: Ok Draklar you have your opinion, everyone else has theres...really I don\'t give a crap. My character is one that will only do what he wants to do only those within the guild are listened to and maybe a few close friends that I have spent alot of time talking to (They know who they are). Whether you all say I am something other then Chaotic Good, I claim only to be Chaotic Good...this is permanent until the guild and my character evolves for its last time in the future.

  I am what I want to be, and not what you say I am. I do what I want to do, not what you want me to. I think how I want to think, not just what you think. My character is his own person and shall not be influenced by so called knowledged members of this community trying to spread their made up versions what things really are. Indepedant upon my own thoughts...thats what I am.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
I am what I want to be, and not what you say I am.

Actually I say you\'re chaotic-good, because your intentions are good, while actions highly unjust...

said that, calm down a bit...

- Swords

[seperot]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
OOC: Ok Draklar you have your opinion, everyone else has theres...really I don\'t give a crap. My character is one that will only do what he wants to do only those within the guild are listened to and maybe a few close friends that I have spent alot of time talking to (They know who they are). Whether you all say I am something other then Chaotic Good, I claim only to be Chaotic Good...this is permanent until the guild and my character evolves for its last time in the future.

  I am what I want to be, and not what you say I am. I do what I want to do, not what you want me to. I think how I want to think, not just what you think. My character is his own person and shall not be influenced by so called knowledged members of this community trying to spread their made up versions what things really are. Indepedant upon my own thoughts...thats what I am.

and what you are independantly is growing towards the true path shunning the people who would be there to stand next to you in wars (excluding the hireable ones) you are labling yourself as a radical in your faction....dont fret dear Depthblade when you finally rise to your true calling the IT will gladly take you in and help you take your revenge on the ones who dident listen to you...

[Merdarion]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
OOC: Ok Draklar you have your opinion, everyone else has theres...really I don\'t give a crap. My character is one that will only do what he wants to do only those within the guild are listened to and maybe a few close friends that I have spent alot of time talking to (They know who they are). Whether you all say I am something other then Chaotic Good, I claim only to be Chaotic Good...this is permanent until the guild and my character evolves for its last time in the future.

  I am what I want to be, and not what you say I am. I do what I want to do, not what you want me to. I think how I want to think, not just what you think. My character is his own person and shall not be influenced by so called knowledged members of this community trying to spread their made up versions what things really are. Indepedant upon my own thoughts...thats what I am.

This time I agree with you. Play as you like. Don\'t let other\'s interferr with your char.

An example: A pladin thinks that prostetutes are evil, and must be cleansed of the world. In his own\'s eyes he is doing the world a favor, but others may think he\'s evil.

Another example: In the future, a good king turns into an evil conqueror, and destrois the world. A man travels back trough time, to kill the king before he coul lead the world into appocalypse. The man isn\'t evil, he is good. But the people would call him a devil, because he killed their beloved king.

before I shut up I just want to say something:

If you trow a coin often enough into the air, it will land on it\'s edge. --> Kain, Soul Reaver 2