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Adeli

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2004, 09:24:14 am »
Nice work ArcaneFalcon, but I must agree with JosePhoenix. I would imagine the tail to be very thin, like a blade, and taper out towards the end, I thinkt he rudder on the end looks somewhat strange. Make the tail tall vertically and thin. then have it come to a sort of point or something and see what it looks like.

Very nice work though.

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2004, 12:41:41 am »
Look @ the overview on the main site (nere the bottom they describe \"Flying Animals\") http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html

\"long tails, which they use as a rudder.\"

do you think this means they have a tail that functions like a rudder or one that actually looks like a rudder? I do not know...

Maybe adding 4 or 8 more polys to the end of the tail wouldn\'t hurt?

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2004, 03:50:11 am »
Ok, I made the tail more knife-like.  Tell me what you think:

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2004, 05:47:16 am »
Hmmm... not too sure if I like that. It doesn\'t seem to fit the rest of its body.

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2004, 01:54:31 pm »
If you look at some RL examples, the common Pterosaurus didn\'t have much of a tail, due to the structure of its limbs (see here). Other smaller types, such as Rhamphorhynchus or Dimorphodon, generally had long spaded tails (as seen here).

The difference between these creatures is that the smaller reptiles had evolved for fast, maneuverable flight, whereas big Pterosaurs were \'gliders\'; some scientists theorise that they couldn\'t actually \"fly\" at all. These would have been slow and unable to change direction quickly like the little ones.

Because of the structure of your Pterosaur, i.e. wings attatched to the body rather than the legs, it needs to follow suit with the smaller reptiles, but the tail will need to be slightly larger than proportionate size, due to the fact that it needs to be able to support passenger(s) and cargo.

The wing muscles should be very defined aswell. The limited span means it will need to work extra hard to even take off into the air fully loaded. His arms currently look like sticks... easily snapped. :)

Here\'s a good comparison between wing structures of various creatures, including a Pterosaur:

http://www.transitionrig.com/wings.htm



[Edit: Found a better Pterosaurus pic]
« Last Edit: October 16, 2004, 02:03:26 pm by Moogie »

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2004, 07:24:06 am »
I think the original tail looked better, but don\'t err \'spade\' it as much.
As for the wings Moogie, the pictures vary greatly, even ones from encyclopedias etc.
Plus, all artwork of dinosaurs is speculative, and made up of assumptions, they can not adequately conjure an image of a dinosaur\'s appearance, as the fossils are of bone, there may have been body parts thar were not bone, thus no trace would be found of them.
This is evident in all the mistakes and misclassifications there have been in paleantology in regards to dinosaurs.
So the actual wing shape is more guesswork than fact.
I for one like the wings better on the body with the long tail.

Edit: These links talk about difficulties with fossils.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/howdoweknow/q43.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/howdoweknow/q51.shtml
Plus there is good old human idiocy...
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For example, when Robert Plot found the end of the thigh bone of a bipedal carnivorous dinosaur in England in 1677 he thought it was the fossilised testicles of a giant!


Found these a bit later on:
This is the first Pterosaur found... note it weighed 100 grams, and had a 60cm wingspan.. one of the first to flap to fly, not glide.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/fact_files/forest/pterosaur.shtml
This is general definitions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/fact_files/glossary_p_q.shtml#pterosaur

Sorry for the length.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2004, 07:42:05 am by Adeli »

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2004, 07:31:40 am »
I personally like this tail:

\"had long spaded tails (as seen here).\"
http://www.nhm.org/journey/pictures/flying/rhamphorhynchus!.jpg
More like the first one, adding a little more polys to make the \"Rutter\" @ the end of the tail look More round...
maybe making the tail a little more skinny?

Hey, It looks good...
« Last Edit: October 17, 2004, 07:33:04 am by Zeraph »

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2004, 08:11:11 am »
lol!  All I heard for the longest time was to lose the rudder thingy and make it more knifelike.  That\'s fine, I liked it better previously anyway.  Here\'s an up to date render with the final tail.  I like it.  Those who don\'t, eat yourself. :D



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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2004, 08:15:45 am »
Wow, you are still up this late it\'s 1:15am....

Anyway, as I said before Hey, \"It looks good\" :D

But no, Keep the tail like this, I like it...

now on to the texture right? can\'t wait to see it fully textured...

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2004, 08:16:36 am »
Sorry Arcane, I was one of those, but I just said try it with a new tail. I greatly approve of your new tail. Bravo! Nice pterosaur.

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2004, 08:25:51 am »
Wow, you guys responded quick.  Thanks for the approval, I appreciate it.  :)    Sorry I didn\'t get more done today, I was working on foiling my NAT firewall all day (I do mean ALL day) so not much got done.  BTW, after one day, I\'m saddened to say, the score is Nat: 1  ArcaneFalcon:0  If anyone wants to help me, PM me, I\'ll tell you all about it :P

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2004, 06:30:11 pm »
I\'ve made a more \'proper\' skin texture for the Pterosaur. I\'ll send it to ArcaneFalcon and he can post some render pics. I would, but the viewer program I\'m using doesn\'t let me zoom as far as I need without going straight past the model... it must be a pretty small pterosaur. :P

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2004, 10:38:26 pm »
Indeed.  It\'s like I\'ve always been saying, if you want something done right, have Moogie do it...



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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2004, 10:45:20 pm »
I love the it! I Agree Moogie Ownz!
I could do a bump it for a more scaly in-depth texture.
Basically adding texture to this texture...

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nice work
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2004, 02:33:56 am »
nice work, I would optimize it a little more on the wings and the back, it looked like it could do without many of those polygons, overall the architecture is good, but I would thin the tale, but overall, very nice